VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[xsssssssss]

Extortion is possible though I don’t recall an specific hints that it might be the case. Whereas we know Quinn is taking an injectable drug. Only illicit injectable drugs I know of are pretty addictive. People with addictions do crazy things.

If quinn’s The only one that knows we won’t get a conclusive hint yet that it is extortion.
There’s lots of ambiguous hints that something has changed this year.
The one time we see her shooting up it’s presentation is as part of a sales pitch.
It’s possible that all the ambiguous hints end up at a secret addict but we haven’t seen anything that would suggest that from them yet.

 

[barbatoscloud]

Quinn is having money problems.

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So Quinn Can't pay the drug dealer ?

 

[Redhead Fanatic!]

Yes

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Jill is quite a troll here, just like in Cluck.

 

[felicemastronzo]

If quinn’s The only one that knows we won’t get a conclusive hint yet.
There’s lots of ambiguous hints that something has changed this year.
The one time we see her shooting up it’s presentation is as part of a sales pitch.
It’s possible that all the ambiguous hints end up at a secret addict but we haven’t seen anything that would suggest that from them yet.

I did not understand sorry.

do you think Quinn is the addict? or that there is another character involved?

 

[xsssssssss]

I did not understand sorry.

do you think Quinn is the addict? or that there is another character involved?

I think Quinn is being extorted for money. The other poster believed she is an addict.

 

[crabsinthekitchen]

That's not a plot hole, that's bad writing. DPC is presenting us an option (tell her EVERYTHING) but then the dialog doesn't match the option given because the natural outcome of it would ruin his planned plot. So the problem lies in the way he presents that option and that's completely a writing issue which results in me hating and feeling disconnected from my MC who's not responding the way I've chosen for him to response. And this is just one of the several times this happens (probably the most blatant one, though, but all of them keep adding up to the point I just can't take my MC seriously, and all the intended drama becomes an awkward comedy).

Regarding Sage, I already said that MC might think she knows it so there's no point on telling her. That's a logical assumption I would understand. From a playing perspective, would it be fair and natural to have an option to tell her anyway? Sure, but here DPC never gives us that option so we just go with the flow and don't give it too much thought. So in terms of immersion this doesn't effect me as much as Maya's convo: I'm never allowed to tell Sage and, even if I think that option should be there, I can see a reason why my MC wouldn't feel the need to tell her. And this helps DPC to keep the story going to the conflict point he's planned. That's OK. But that Maya scene is terrible for players who choose to tell her. Even if in the future this mild warning helps Maya to step out of problems, what we were thinking was to avoid those problems completely by telling her now all the truth behind Quinn's offer. And we were thinking that only because DPC used the word EVERYTHING. He could have used other word, he could have made Maya totally dismiss our warning. Instead, he chose to make our MC absolutely uncapable of doing what the player was inducted to think he would do.

to be fair, the option is "Tell her what you know", not "Tell her EVERYTHING". what MC knows is that Quinn runs a "restaurant" with two girls working there (Riona is an easy conclusion for Japanese food but anyone including Quinn herself can be considered spicy unless you order it) and that she made Camila get naked in front of MC when he was stealing panties, which is not that different from what he and Derek had to do for DIKs so might as well be normal hazing. everything else is optional and DPC probably didn't want to have different dialogue to cover every possible situation

 

[moskyx]

Well, if that is the case it should make Sage very much less likeable to such MCs who do think that Quinn is 'evil'. If MC does not condone Quinn aking advantage of gullible, poor, young girls for her prostitution ring, he shouldn't condone Sage turning a blind eye to it either. Especially, since she has the power to stop it.

I really hope that Sage is completely in the dark regarding this.

You're right, if MC thinks she's also involved somehow, it wouldn't make so much sense trying to warn Maya about Quinn then tell her to trust Sage instead. So yeah, we definitely should be given an option to tell Sage about Quinn's shenanigans, especially if we're in her path, just as we could warn Maya. I expect that option to be there preferably sooner than later, and do hope our MC would be able to actually say what's going on. Each day passing without that option detracts from the intended 'realism' of the story and characterization. If some MCs care enough for Maya to try to warn her, any MC who's interested in a relationship with Sage should be willing to warn her too. Both girls should face similar conversations, approached from different perspectives obviously

to be fair, the option is "Tell her what you know", not "Tell her EVERYTHING". what MC knows is that Quinn runs a "restaurant" with two girls working there (Riona is an easy conclusion for Japanese food but anyone including Quinn herself can be considered spicy unless you order it) and that she made Camila get naked in front of MC when he was stealing panties, which is not that different from what he and Derek had to do for DIKs so might as well be normal hazing. everything else is optional and DPC probably didn't want to have different dialogue to cover every possible situation

My bad, I got carried away. Anyway, he knows there's a prostitution scheme run by Quinn, his thought just before the choice (the way she's USING Camila) makes it crystal clear. But then he says "she uses them to earn money" which of course is literally what he knows, but... come on. I'm sure that's not what you were expecting to be said

 

[felicemastronzo]

to be fair, the option is "Tell her what you know", not "Tell her EVERYTHING". what MC knows is that Quinn runs a "restaurant" with two girls working there (Riona is an easy conclusion for Japanese food but anyone including Quinn herself can be considered spicy unless you order it) and that she made Camila get naked in front of MC when he was stealing panties, which is not that different from what he and Derek had to do for DIKs so might as well be normal hazing. everything else is optional and DPC probably didn't want to have different dialogue to cover every possible situation

are there differences in the dialogues in case MC has used the restaurant or not?

if MC was a customer, not telling her directly would be more understandable (a bit vile, but understandable)

 

[Cigar-Ferras]

I was in tears (funny) again when the MC pokes Jill in the eye with the dildo hat

Is this on a DIK route or something? I didn't get that in my run, might be funny to see.

 

[moskyx]

are there differences in the dialogues in case MC has used the restaurant or not?

if MC was a customer, not telling her directly would be more understandable (a bit vile, but understandable)

No, yesterday I posted the whole script which is why we're talking about this

Sorry to bring this back again, but I just can't help it. The infamous "MC warns Maya about Quinn" scene. This is the script:

Spoiler: The convo

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[eightypercent]

Is this on a DIK route or something? I didn't get that in my run, might be funny to see.

I played the DIK route, yes. I have so far only played this game twice, each time via the DIK route. Derek is the funniest character in the story and shines at being a true DIK and the MC's Brother in Arms

EDIT funniest [hilarious, cringy and daring] in the things he does rather than what he says

 

[felicemastronzo]

No, yesterday I posted the whole script which is why we're talking about this

reading it at the same time what he says and what he thinks is really surreal.

MC doesn't control MC either, how do we want to control him?

 

[eightypercent]

I do hope the story gets to a point where those serious sexual issues will be treated as serious issues. I mean, the young guys and gals involved might not see any problem (this happens in real life too), but it is a problem. I honestly expect real life to hit hard later on, I would feel quite disappointed if that's not the case

Hey Moskyx, I understand what you are saying but I disagree with the idea of the BAD characters being judged too harshly in the context of the game and its nature. The game's purpose isn't to judge and take a moral high ground per se: it already does highlight relatively serious issues [cheating, homophobia, sexism, rich-poor divide... and many others] and does so in often touching and meaningful ways, but the game is here to entertain rather than educate. There are many different types of people in the world, and equally depicted in this game, and we cannot expect everyone to follow the same strict code of ethics that you seemingly wish to impose on the future story. "It is a problem" if you perceive it at such. If others view [real] life differently, then who are we to judge?

 

[Cigar-Ferras]

I played the DIK route, yes. I have so far only played this game twice, each time via the DIK route. Derek is the funniest character in the story and shines at being a true DIK and the MC's Brother in Arms

EDIT funniest [hilarious, cringy and daring] in the things he does rather than what he says

Ok sold. 3rd run will be full DIK route.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Hey Moskyx, I understand what you are saying but I disagree with the idea of the BAD characters being judged too harshly in the context of the game and its nature. The game's purpose isn't to judge and take a moral high ground per se: it already does highlight relatively serious issues [cheating, homophobia, sexism, rich-poor divide... and many others] and does so in often touching and meaningful ways, but the game is here to entertain rather than educate. There are many different types of people in the world, and equally depicted in this game, and we cannot expect everyone to follow the same strict code of ethics that you seemingly wish to impose on the future story. "It is a problem" if you perceive it at such. If others view [real] life differently, then who are we to judge?

if we talk about prostitution (it is not known if voluntary, but it would not seem so) and drugs there is not much subjective

then, in a porn game, some compromise with one's morality must be done, for example in half of the games with incest there is a rape ... but this does not make rape a subjective or acceptable matter

 

[xsssssssss]

if we talk about prostitution (it is not known if voluntary, but it would not seem so) and drugs there is not much subjective

then, in a porn game, some compromise with one's morality must be done, for example in half of the games with incest there is a rape ... but this does not make rape a subjective or acceptable matter

Of course there’s subjectivity about opinions on validity of prostitution and use of drugs.
The existing prostitutes all seem to be willing participants. If the new ones end up being forced that’s a different matter.

 

[moskyx]

Hey Moskyx, I understand what you are saying but I disagree with the idea of the BAD characters being judged too harshly in the context of the game and its nature. The game's purpose isn't to judge and take a moral high ground per se: it already does highlight relatively serious issues [cheating, homophobia, sexism, rich-poor divide... and many others] and does so in often touching and meaningful ways, but the game is here to entertain rather than educate. There are many different types of people in the world, and equally depicted in this game, and we cannot expect everyone to follow the same strict code of ethics that you seemingly wish to impose on the future story. "It is a problem" if you perceive it at such. If others view [real] life differently, then who are we to judge?

I'm not judging, but it doesn't matter if they don't see any problems. When someone plays with drugs and prostitution, chances in real life are that they might end burned some way or another. Very few people are able to get away with it unharmed. So I expect to see some serious consequences. There's no need to be moralists about it, just realistics. This is not a parody nor a light-hearted game, it aims for some level of realism so those kind of problems are to be expected and have been already hinted. Now, if you don't think a prostitution scheme with college girls might become a problem for the ones involved, then it's obvious we don't see real life in the same way. I surely expect DPC shows us some serious things related to that, but yeah, that's only my expectation, I don't want to impose my views (nor could I, btw).
Also, take Narcos or any other 'fictional' work about crime. It's pure entertainment, I don't think they are trying to educate and you might even feel attracted to the 'dark side way of life', but sure you can see where that code of ethics of theirs leads them. Life is the way it is, you can take it as you want but in the end some choices can potentially bring you more (and more serious) problems than others. It has nothing to do with trying to moralize, just showing probable consequences.

 

[moskyx]

Of course there’s subjectivity about opinions on validity of prostitution and use of drugs.
The existing prostitutes all seem to be willing participants. If the new ones end up being forced that’s a different matter.

Even if you are doing that work voluntarily, problems might arise. There are tons of things that could go wrong, even accidentally. Now it's just up to DPC if he wants to explore that dark path or not

 

[felicemastronzo]

Of course there’s subjectivity about opinions on validity of prostitution and use of drugs.
The existing prostitutes all seem to be willing participants. If the new ones end up being forced that’s a different matter.

Mona (not sure of the name) wants to get out and it doesn't seem so easy. Camilla is the only one who admits to doing it voluntarily, but it matters up to a certain point

 

[xsssssssss]

Mona (not sure of the name) wants to get out and it doesn't seem so easy. Camilla is the only one who admits to doing it voluntarily, but it matters up to a certain point

Sarah/melanie/camilla/riona all seem ok with it and the benefit it likely provides.
We don't know that Mona wants out or was forced or what even happened. She may have agreed voluntarily and then backed out at the last minute. She may have agreed but not liked Stephen's behaviour. The whole thing could be a red herring and have no relation to prostitution.