VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

Well, here's the whole conversation and I still don't understand why you quoted me and basically said stuff in the diary isn't incest. At which point did I suggest stuff in the diary would be incest? Or am I misunderstanding what you are trying to say?

I did not answer directly to you, I continued to reason.

DPC said there will be no incest in his game, and he won't

But according to KoolMe (and I agree) MC imagining his naked mother writing the diary is a situation very close to incest (what we are shown is probably a flashback, but also MC reading will see more or less the same scene)

if the diary story goes further, when Neil and Linett met it could also talk about when they had sex, and in that case we would see a young Neil (most likely MC-like) having sex with Lynette. this is very close to the fantasy of incest, without actually being

therefore there could be, unlikely but not impossible, something formally very close to incest, without being so at all

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

I did not answer directly to you, I continued to reason.

DPC said there will be no incest in his game, and he won't

But according to KoolMe (and I agree) MC imagining his naked mother writing the diary is a situation very close to incest (what we are shown is probably a flashback, but also MC reading will see more or less the same scene)

if the diary story goes further, when Neil and Linett met it could also talk about when they had sex, and in that case we would see a young Neil (most likely MC-like) having sex with Lynette. this is very close to the fantasy of incest, without actually being

therefore there could be, unlikely but not impossible, something formally very close to incest, without being so at all

MC isn't imagining her naked. DPC is the one projecting her topless to the audience for whatever reason.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The thing with Maya's dad surprise visit is what is he exactly expecting when he comes at night and pick up her daughter's room doorlock. Did he knew she wasn't there? Does he already know Josy is Maya's roommate? Because entering like that to 2 girls sleeping goes far beyond creepy (one of them being your own, adult daughter) and that other girl could easily put him in a lot of trouble, if she notices. Seriously, all that part of the plot, from the co-signed loan to this night tresspassing is rather stupid for a game like this.

you're right, it wouldn't make sense.

but it doesn't necessarily happen that way.

the first time Maya's father came to visit her, her daughter formally did not have a roommate, and in fact the father made a normal visit.

now it is very likely that his father already knows about Josy, in the end the assignment is now official and since he has asked Derek to watch it is normal that he too remotely controls the situation. this would explain the sudden visit, the father is there either for Maya or Josy, not to check.

will he wait for them in the dormitory? very likely, but there is a case where it would be likely that they would not find him. we do not know how temporally aligned the scenes of the chapter finale are, it is likely that after waiting 2-3 hours the father could also have left (of course to come back soon, at the latest the following evening)

on the subject of the double signature loan, it was honestly a useless revelation to try to give solidity to an artifice that we had already accepted. moreover, the fact of making it another secret that MC pushes Maya to reveal was yet another scene already seen too many times (the molasses of incommunicability)

 

[felicemastronzo]

MC isn't imagining her naked. DPC is the one projecting her topless to the audience for whatever reason.

certainly, but if you read the phrase "there is a cat on the table" your mind will make you visualize a cat on the table.

if MC reads about Lynette writing in her room about how her day went, hisbrain will visualize the mother writing or what she tells.


if he reads about Neil having sex with Lynette, he will visualize Neil having sex with Lynette,

 

[Cabin Fever]

I did not answer directly to you, I continued to reason.

DPC said there will be no incest in his game, and he won't

But according to KoolMe (and I agree) MC imagining his naked mother writing the diary is a situation very close to incest (what we are shown is probably a flashback, but also MC reading will see more or less the same scene)

if the diary story goes further, when Neil and Linett met it could also talk about when they had sex, and in that case we would see a young Neil (most likely MC-like) having sex with Lynette. this is very close to the fantasy of incest, without actually being

therefore there could be, unlikely but not impossible, something formally very close to incest, without being so at all

Ah gotcha! I guess it was you quoting only me that threw me off then.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I was thinking of those scenes just after sex where they are completely covered from the neck down as to not show an inch of skin to the person you just had sex with. Those scenes always broke my suspension of disbelief.

Yeah, that too.

certainly, but if you read the phrase "there is a cat on the table" your mind will make you visualize a cat on the table.

if MC reads about Lynette writing in her room about how her day went, hisbrain will visualize the mother writing or what she tells.

if he reads about Neil having sex with Lynette, he will visualize Neil having sex with Lynette,

Except that she didn't write, "as I write this, my tits are hanging out". So why would the MC visualise that?

Simplest explanation is that DPC did this just so the players could see her tits. He's not implying that the MC is visualising this in his head.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yeah, that too.



Except that she didn't write, "as I write this, my tits are hanging out". So why would the MC visualise that?

Simplest explanation is that DPC did this just so the players could see her tits. He's not implying that the MC is visualising this in his head.

I have not even said what color the cat is, and everyone will imagine it in the color they want

the mind works like this, it imagines it somehow

 

[Arigon]

Yeah, that too.



Except that she didn't write, "as I write this, my tits are hanging out". So why would the MC visualise that?

Simplest explanation is that DPC did this just so the players could see her tits. He's not implying that the MC is visualising this in his head.

Well, except he is doing exactly that. Like exactly.

 

[moskyx]

you're right, it wouldn't make sense.

but it doesn't necessarily happen that way.

the first time Maya's father came to visit her, her daughter formally did not have a roommate, and in fact the father made a normal visit.

now it is very likely that his father already knows about Josy, in the end the assignment is now official and since he has asked Derek to watch it is normal that he too remotely controls the situation. this would explain the sudden visit, the father is there either for Maya or Josy, not to check.

will he wait for them in the dormitory? very likely, but there is a case where it would be likely that they would not find him. we do not know how temporally aligned the scenes of the chapter finale are, it is likely that after waiting 2-3 hours the father could also have left (of course to come back soon, at the latest the following evening)

on the subject of the double signature loan, it was honestly a useless revelation to try to give solidity to an artifice that we had already accepted. moreover, the fact of making it another secret that MC pushes Maya to reveal was yet another scene already seen too many times (the molasses of incommunicability)

The loan thing is absolutely ridiculous. If a loan goes unpaid, both co-signers will be equally in trouble. And I highly doubt a man in his mid-forties or fifties is going to risk it (he will have to buy another car or a caravan sometime and he wouldn't be eligible for a loan if this one is still unpaid). So yeah, maybe we can accept the money is now in his pocket and the college tuition is still unpaid so Maya can be expelled (although that's not how student loans seem to work anywhere), but in no way she will have financial problems for the rest of her life, or at least she'll have the same ones her dad will have (and of course she's 18 years old, she has lots of years ahead of her to solve this problem and even pay that damned loan without HOT's help, which doesn't seem to be an option because reasons). Not to mention that she could always sue her dad if it's so blatantly obvious he's the one keeping and misusing those funds instead of paying her college fees. So, as always, a mountain-high drama from a grain of sand.

 

[Heycock]

I just realized that there is a traitor in the DIKs. Couse the Jade-MC pic Burke watch in the pc at the end of chapter 6 is the same the DIKs watch at the end of Hell Week. That pics remain in the notebook in the DIK mansion, and on ly DIKs has acces to that.

 

[felicemastronzo]

The loan thing is absolutely ridiculous. If a loan goes unpaid, both co-signers will be equally in trouble. And I highly doubt a man in his mid-forties or fifties is going to risk it (he will have to buy another car or a caravan sometime and he wouldn't be eligible for a loan if this one is still unpaid). So yeah, maybe we can accept the money is now in his pocket and the college tuition is still unpaid so Maya can be expelled (although that's not how student loans seem to work anywhere), but in no way she will have financial problems for the rest of her life, or at least she'll have the same ones her dad will have (and of course she's 18 years old, she has lots of years ahead of her to solve this problem and even pay that damned loan without HOT's help, which doesn't seem to be an option because reasons). Not to mention that she could always sue her dad if it's so blatantly obvious he's the one keeping and misusing those funds instead of paying her college fees. So, as always, a mountain-high drama from a grain of sand.

you are too strict

the loan was not even spent though. so in the worst case scenario the father would have to pay some financial interest.

I think the point was to clarify why Maya can't ask for another one.
that Maya goes bankrupt is Maya's dramatic exaggeration in reporting the situation. it would be enough for her to give up college to be completely free from her father ...

then that it is all pumped up in a dramatic sense you are right, but we are facing a soap opera, I have long agreed with you on this. but for me it is not a problem, I accept the language and characteristics

 

[Arigon]

The loan thing is absolutely ridiculous. If a loan goes unpaid, both co-signers will be equally in trouble. And I highly doubt a man in his mid-forties or fifties is going to risk it (he will have to buy another car or a caravan sometime and he wouldn't be eligible for a loan if this one is still unpaid). So yeah, maybe we can accept the money is now in his pocket and the college tuition is still unpaid so Maya can be expelled (although that's not how student loans seem to work anywhere), but in no way she will have financial problems for the rest of her life, or at least she'll have the same ones her dad will have (and of course she's 18 years old, she has lots of years ahead of her to solve this problem and even pay that damned loan without HOT's help, which doesn't seem to be an option because reasons). Not to mention that she could always sue her dad if it's so blatantly obvious he's the one keeping and misusing those funds instead of paying her college fees. So, as always, a mountain-high drama from a grain of sand.

Again, sub par writing for the sake of needless unimaginative drama

 

[Elum Eno]

MC isn't imagining her naked. DPC is the one projecting her topless to the audience for whatever reason.

This is exactly how I took that scene... it was not the MC imagining her naked.
It was more like DPC took us all back to when she was actually writing in the book... for all we know the MC imagined her in a nuns outfit when writing.

No different then when DPC took us all back to when Q was a child watching her father do drugs while her mom was crashed out.
Just another scene to help set up the story.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I have not even said what color the cat is, and everyone will imagine it in the color they want

the mind works like this, it imagines it somehow

But in your example, a cat is explicitly mentioned therefore leading the person reading it to picture a cat. Lynette does not mention her tits, therefore, by your example, he should not be imagining them since they're not explicitly mentioned.

Well, except he is doing exactly that. Like exactly.

No, he isn't.

Do you think every time you see this kind of thing in films and TV shows, where someone is reading a letter, or an email, or a diary, and we see those events being read about, that the person reading it is picturing it exactly as it happened? Of course they're not. We, the audience, are being shown this, but it does not mean this is what the person reading it is visualising because how could they? How could they be seeing these events exactly as they happened? The answer is they're not, it's purely for our benefit as the audience to be shown it.

 

[Arigon]

But in your example, a cat is explicitly mentioned therefore leading the person reading it to picture a cat. Lynette does not mention her tits, therefore, by your example, he should not be imagining them since they're not explicitly mentioned.



No, he isn't.

Do you think every time you see this kind of thing in films and TV shows, where someone is reading a letter, or an email, or a diary, and we see those events being read about, that the person reading it is picturing it exactly as it happened? Of course they're not. We, the audience, are being shown this, but it does not mean this is what the person reading it is visualising because how could they? How could they be seeing these events exactly as they happened? The answer is they're not, it's purely for our benefit as the audience to be shown it.

I will just agree to disagree Bacchus.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But in your example, a cat is explicitly mentioned therefore leading the person reading it to picture a cat. Lynette does not mention her tits, therefore, by your example, he should not be imagining them since they're not explicitly mentioned.

One can imagine Lynette dressed as they like or even naked ...

as the cat can be black or white



a flashback and a story are two very different things.

the flashback does not have an interpreter, it is an excerpt from the reported past, the story of a diary instead has the reader as its interpreter

then I'm not saying that MC has incestuous fantasies, but this artifice of the diary creates a situation very close to incest, without being so in any way

 

[Elum Eno]

The loan thing is absolutely ridiculous. If a loan goes unpaid, both co-signers will be equally in trouble.

This is not correct... I can only speak from my own personal experience on this.
When my daughter was still in high school she had saved up a little over $500 for a used car to which I was going to match.
Put in looking at what we could get I just could not see my little girl driving around in a POS car.
So we got her a new car to which (against every ones advice) I Co-signed for.
about 3 years in and after she had moved out of the house, I get contacted that she was 90+ days behind in payments.

Which hit her credit score hard... I had 30 days to make it current before it would start hitting my credit score.
So no it does not effect both parties equally unless it keeps going unpaid.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

One can imagine Lynette dressed as they like or even naked ...

as the cat can be black or white

But you said that in order for a cat to be visualised by the reader then it must be mentioned. Lynette does not mention her tits, so why would the MC visualise them?

By your own reasoning, it doesn't make sense.

a flashback and a story are two very different things.

the flashback does not have an interpreter, it is an excerpt from the reported past, the story of a diary instead has the reader as its interpreter

No, that's not how it works. The person reading the article, in this case a diary, is simply reading the events. We the audience are shown these events because it would otherwise be boring to simply watch the person read it and nothing else. We're not seeing how they imagine the event unfolded, we're seeing how it actually happened and it's only us that are seeing it, not the person reading it.

 

[felicemastronzo]

This is not correct... I can only speak from my own personal experience on this.
When my daughter was still in high school she had saved up a little over $500 for a used car to which I was going to match.
Put in looking at what we could get I just could not see my little girl driving around in a POS car.
So we got her a new car to which (against every ones advice) I Co-signed for.
about 3 years in and after she had moved out of the house, I get contacted that she was 90+ days behind in payments.

Which hit her credit score hard... I had 30 days to make it current before it would start hitting my credit score.
So no it does not effect both parties equally unless it keeps going unpaid.

in the case of Maya being a student loan, the father evidently signs as guarantor of the loan.

 

[felicemastronzo]

But you said that in order for a cat to be visualised by the reader then it must be mentioned. Lynette does not mention her tits, so why would the MC visualise them?

By your own reasoning, it doesn't make sense.

what are you talking about?
what do boobs have to do with it?

MC imagines Lynette, imagines her as he pleases, dressed, in pajamas or naked
if he imagines her naked you can see her tits.

the eyes and mouth are also visible, did he have to mention them in the diary to visualize them?