VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Kellermann]

I never said anything about gender, I said "genre" and I was meaning genres of AVNs. The whole point of an AVN, aside from rampant fucking, is to woo your favoured main LI(s) and end up with them. Therefore, if a character is designated as a main LI then they should not be killed off or otherwise removed from the game because by that status, they should have ending routes. In AL, both Megan and Melissa have ending routes with the MC but at the cost of one of them which might be fine for those who only want one of them, but the game teased a relationship with both and it was, in my view, wrong to tease people with that, to build that up, and then take it away in such a brutal fashion.

In AVNs, if you want to kill off or remove a character, it should be a secondary or tertiary character, like how Mona is now seemingly gone from the game. Her leaving so abruptly will have ramifications that can affect the story which justifies it even though it does suck to lose her, but the death in AL was not, in my opinion, justifiable in the same sort of way and felt like it was more done for the shock value rather than being something that warranted it from a plot perspective.



Didn't play the ME games either.



Put it this way, if you're not interested in the non-sex stuff, then this game probably isn't right for you because the non-sex stuff (i.e. the story) is what's made this so popular and it's a very story heavy game.

So, if reading lots of text and actually getting engaged in the story such that the "real deal" stuff becomes more impactful and engaging doesn't appeal to you, then maybe don't bother playing.



Never played the FF games.



Which is how I felt with AL. Megan and Melissa were teased as a possible throuple a few times and when you decide to be with both they accept and are happy about it, and then the fire happened. A potential relationship the game was building up felt like such a con and it leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.

My Sister My Roommate had a similar issue where there was originally going to be no ending with the sister but then the dev went back and included one after people doggedly asked for one because the game, at several instances, seemed to indicate that, at the very least, the sister Nikki seemed to want this kind of relationship but then the game denied people at the end. It too felt like a bit of cheat and the dev acknowledged that these things they included could be seen as her wanting a relationship wth her brother even though that wasn't their intention when they put those things in there, but the point is that you don't tease players with that possibility and then say 'no' at the end.

In BaDIK, this is particularly prominent with the M&J relationship, another throuple only this one has gone quite far already. People, including myself, will want an ending with both of them and I believe the game should allow for that, not take it away or break it up as part of an unavoidable plot/narrative moment otherwise it will, again, feel like being cheated out of something that the game would seem to be promising.

Fucking hell you're making a lot of sense today. There's only so many upward thumbs and fingers I can give you until it turns into a fisting. Hope it's as good for you as it is for me.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

for me the trouple, if it lasts until the end, will be a gift from DPC, I do not consider it a due ending (in AL it was different and more unhealthy, it forced you to the trouple to have Melissa, and then it forced you to sacrifice Meghan). it's an extra ending

instead I demand every single ending for each LI

Let's assume it's Jill who dies, Jill so as a player I'll have to quickly give up Sage, Bella (as well as Nora, Nichole and Sandy). should i accept it after 20 hours of gameplay? and in case be happy with a possible emergency girl for the finale?

I think a M&J throuple ending is due. There could still be individual endings should something happen with them, but when you give people that opportunity to be with 2 LIs in a mutual relationship among all 3, then there should absolutely be an ending for it. So let's assume that some players go for M&J which means they have to give up all other LIs and side girls, would it be fair if there is no ending with both no matter what players do when this is the relationship said players were aiming for? Should they accept that? Should they accept having to possibly choose one over the other when they want both? Because I don't think so.

Point is that any relationship with designated main LI characters, be they solo or as a package deal, should have an achievable ending for it and none should have a forced "bad" ending where you can't have an ending with them because of an unavoidable plot element.

 

[Kellermann]

I am willing to bet that there will be several inevitable endings to thwart our desires, based on DPC being a douche and not our choices...... Gentleman's bet of $100 US?

Sorry, any extra money I get goes to Svetlana. Those elaborate stripper thongs aren't going to pay for themselves you know.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Didn't play the ME games either.

Next year the collection of the trilogy is gonna releases with better graphics, better FPS, All the DLC and better resolution will be released for PS4 / PS5 / Xbox One / Xbox Series X / S and PC

I highly recommend it because it has a lot of Role and the decisions you make in each game directly affect the sequel and of course there are romance routes

 

[Maviarab]

Next year the collection of the trilogy is gonna releases with better graphics, better FPS, All the DLC and better resolution will be released for PS4 / PS5 / Xbox Series X / S and PC

I highly recommend it because it has a lot of Role and the decisions you make in each game directly affect the sequel and of course there are romance routes

While I agree with how awesome ME trilogy is...

No decision you make..affects anything really. Let's be honest...brilliant games (especially the second) but very largely illusion of choice. Nothing you do in the first 2 games really...ultimately..makes any difference at the end of the third save some dialogue differences.

Also don't forget...ME4 has been announced/teased

 

[LordGripz]

So Aerith cannot die in FF7 right? Maya in Borderlands ? Joel in TLOU2? There are many examples

I'm still mad about Maya

 

[AchedCroissant]

No decision you make..affects anything really. Let's be honest...

Well if it's just superficial things

Anyway I already want to see my best girl again

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[Gladheim]

Well if it's just superficial things

Anyway I already want to see my best girl again

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Tali...
I must say that she was not my favorite girl until I passed Me2 several times, in ME1 my favorite was Liara, in ME2 at the beginning it was Miranda (ohh what a great ass) and in ME3 the first time it was Ashley, but by playing them Tali became my Favorite and obviously that in reality it also helps haha, a shame that to have sex you have to take a lot of drugs.

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While I agree with how awesome ME trilogy is...

No decision you make..affects anything really. Let's be honest...brilliant games (especially the second) but very largely illusion of choice. Nothing you do in the first 2 games really...ultimately..makes any difference at the end of the third save some dialogue differences.

Also don't forget...ME4 has been announced/teased

If you want your decisions to really matter then you should play the life is strange franchise (a lot of drama), or games like Detroit Become Human

 

[horusxcaen82]

so I need to ask some advice about my current playthrough if I do intend to romance Jill, I am guessing having anything with Bella is out of the question, I mean I cant really interact with her because it will hurt Jill? or can I?

 

[Holy Bacchus]

so I need to ask some advice about my current playthrough if I do intend to romance Jill, I am guessing having anything with Bella is out of the question, I mean I cant really interact with her because it will hurt Jill? or can I?

At the moment there is no negative consequence and it's as yet unknown how things will go with those 2 if you're pursuing both. Might as well enjoy both now and is anything bad happens later you always redo it.

 

[Gladheim]

so I need to ask some advice about my current playthrough if I do intend to romance Jill, I am guessing having anything with Bella is out of the question, I mean I cant really interact with her because it will hurt Jill? or can I?

You can, for now there is no problem, maybe in the future we will have to replay everything xD but for now you can go for both without problem

 

[ExDeath730]

Well if it's just superficial things

Anyway I already want to see my best girl again

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Miranda was my poison. Voiced by Yvonne Strahovski, having one of the best asses in video game history and i loved how she was so full of herself that if you actually believed all the hype she would die in the last mission.

But i give it to you, it was between Miranda and Tali, also liked Liara, but her progression was kind of all over the place. Tali for me was the best character progression in the female characters of the game.

So, anyway, since this is the BaDIK thread, who has the best ass? Miranda or Camila? Difficult choice.

 

[Gladheim]

Miranda was my poison. Voiced by Yvonne Strahovski, having one of the best asses in video game history and i loved how she was so full of herself that if you actually believed all the hype she would die in the last mission.

But i give it to you, it was between Miranda and Tali, also liked Liara, but her progression was kind of all over the place. Tali for me was the best character progression in the female characters of the game.

So, anyway, since this is the BaDIK thread, who has the best ass? Miranda or Camila? Difficult choice.

Josy or Maya ...

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[AchedCroissant]

Detroit Become Human

I love Detroit

who has the best ass? Miranda or Camila?

I don't know it's a difficult decision

 

[horusxcaen82]

At the moment there is no negative consequence and it's as yet unknown how things will go with those 2 if you're pursuing both. Might as well enjoy both now and is anything bad happens later you always redo it.

ok thanks, I needed something different because after rushing through that first play through out of wanting to know what's next I feel like I missed some things and am playing this a bit slower, kinda funny how it should be the other way round. probably after this one I will do a full DIK run and get with Sage, people seem to like her a lot, who knows maybe have fun with Quinn too.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Josy or Maya ...

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Oh my they have the potential to be streamers girls

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Josy or Maya ...

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Can't wait until we have both of them in front of us at the same time.

 

[Deleted member 205327]

I know I'm a month late, but I finally got around to playing 6.1. LOTS of good stuff added in this update, but the scene with Bella.... *chef's kiss* absolute perfection.

 

[Crystaldom]

I've already determined the potential deaths for each character. Possibly it bears repeating:

• Anthony's and Arieth will both forget to keep breathing and suffocate
• Caleb is going to hit something with his fist (rather than flick them with his finger) and they'll die on the spot
• Camila's ass will explode
• Cathy will drive off into the sunset crying and die in a car accident
• Chad will get beaten to death by all the homophobic jocks when they find out the truth about him
• Bella will snap and go on a killing spree
• Jade will cut her husbands prick off and he'll bleed out
• Lynette's already dead
• Magnar will think he's impervious to wedgies until Caleb decapitates him with an overzealous wedgie.
• Maya's dad will honor kill her
• Melanie will spontaneously combust because she is too hot
• Mona will be killed by Burke because he's afraid she's going to blackmail him for the attempted solicited sex with a student (this will be before he bleeds out from Jade's fury).
• Quinn will be knifed in an alley way somewhere
• Rich will die from accidentally snorting heroin thinking it's cocaine (and no one has an adrenaline shot handy)
• Riona will also die from an overdose and I can't re-use Rich's scenario so I'll leave it at that
• Can't think of a fitting way for Sage to die, so maybe she'll be a final girl
• Sally will die from heart break after Magnar's death
• Sarah will die from being bitch-slapped by the MC for asking for cash when we know she wants that schlong

So in your scenario Jill and MC escape DEATH. So the final outcome for them is to ride off into the sunset. Works for me.

 

[shazba]

No matter what genre a game is, no LI should ever die, especially when you can do nothing about it as in the case with AL. Sure, some people might have preferred one over the other, but for those who wanted both (of which I'm sure they were many) it's a massive blow that can be hard to get over.

If a game explicitly sets up the possibility of a relationship, whether it's with one or more characters, you just don't take that away from people in an unpreventable way. If a relationship ends it should either because of a choice by the player to not pursue or continue it, or because they screwed it up by making wrong choices or by being unfaithful with a LI who wanted them to be faithful.

So hopefully DPC won't do what they did in AL, even if they still are proud of how AL went.

Things have changed a bit since then. They've since said things after that which suggest it could be just 12 episodes or even as little as 10, so the 16 episode estimate now seems like it might be out of contention.

I'm pretty sure Stella dies in Depraved Awakening no matter what you do. It was totally appropriate and very emotional.

I haven't played AL, but from what I've read, the player there still had the chance to save their chosen LI and get a good ending with that individual LI. So even with this dev's reputation, I don't think there's precedent to straight up killing a LI that the player is trying to get with. The most obvious similarity, however, is not being able to have two major LI, so I guess it's possible that some "tragedy" makes Maya/Josy/MC impossible, but you know what? Fuck those two, I went for the friendship option as soon as it was possible. It's the Sage / Jill / Bella train for me.

Regarding killing characters, I agree with Bacchus that the dev shouldn't take away the choice from the players. Personal example in this game, I've turned down the drug path and Quinn/Rionna path, just not my cup of tea. If that means those two are now off limits and they eventually die or something in the worst case scenario, I'm honestly not going to mind. But if I really liked the character and was focusing on either of them as LI, I would be upset if that was just taken away with no choice. The dev has his own artistic visions though, so we'll see where this ends up whenever it concludes.

I'm pretty sure AL has a monogamous ending with each character (except the antagonist), some not so happy as to how other characters are impacted.

You first said that gender didn't matter and now you simplify it to just AVNs? well I'll explain it to you, but not meeting Aerith from FF7 should be a sin xd, Aerith is one of the most important characters in the history of videogames and of that particular game and dies murdered in the middle of it, giving meaning to many things. What I mean by this? Well, if someone has to die that is justified and makes sense, but it is not something serious that happens, in fact I do not care if it is well done.

I don't know if you remember in Mass Effect 2 in the suicide mission where several LI characters could die if you didn't do things right before.

But you are right but let's not forget that behind this is DPC

Meaningful deaths can be very poignant. Deaths for the sake of drama alone (which is what people here are accusing DPC of) just make people angry.

How did you feel about FFVII back in the day?

the term LI applies only to this type of games, where the goal is to crown this relationship or that romantic relationship.

I don't agree 100% with Holy Bacchus , because the fact that some characters are LI and others aren't is usually arbitrary, it follows the developer's will

but DPC want to canonize them, highlighting them well. and this becomes a problem if an LI has to "absolutely die".

in AL there are 4 LI, one is fake and one dies, we are on the side of the scam.

if it happened in BADIK it would be even worse, it would be a surprise game over not tied to the player's choices.
then everyone has fun as they like, but I only play if I can win, otherwise I feel cheated

p.s.
then in the seventh KRJ will die for sure, but not being an LI it is only violence against animals

A love interest would be any character that a game allows you to develop a deep relationship with. By specifically highlighting them (as is done in a lot of these AVNs), DPC takes away any false hopes of other relationships blooming. I noticed Sally and KRJ aren't there in the end of episode LI summaries...

I never said anything about gender, I said "genre" and I was meaning genres of AVNs. The whole point of an AVN, aside from rampant fucking, is to woo your favoured main LI(s) and end up with them. Therefore, if a character is designated as a main LI then they should not be killed off or otherwise removed from the game because by that status, they should have ending routes. In AL, both Megan and Melissa have ending routes with the MC but at the cost of one of them which might be fine for those who only want one of them, but the game teased a relationship with both and it was, in my view, wrong to tease people with that, to build that up, and then take it away in such a brutal fashion.

In AVNs, if you want to kill off or remove a character, it should be a secondary or tertiary character, like how Mona is now seemingly gone from the game. Her leaving so abruptly will have ramifications that can affect the story which justifies it even though it does suck to lose her, but the death in AL was not, in my opinion, justifiable in the same sort of way and felt like it was more done for the shock value rather than being something that warranted it from a plot perspective.

Didn't play the ME games either.

Put it this way, if you're not interested in the non-sex stuff, then this game probably isn't right for you because the non-sex stuff (i.e. the story) is what's made this so popular and it's a very story heavy game.

So, if reading lots of text and actually getting engaged in the story such that the "real deal" stuff becomes more impactful and engaging doesn't appeal to you, then maybe don't bother playing.

Never played the FF games.

Which is how I felt with AL. Megan and Melissa were teased as a possible throuple a few times and when you decide to be with both they accept and are happy about it, and then the fire happened. A potential relationship the game was building up felt like such a con and it leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth.

My Sister My Roommate had a similar issue where there was originally going to be no ending with the sister but then the dev went back and included one after people doggedly asked for one because the game, at several instances, seemed to indicate that, at the very least, the sister Nikki seemed to want this kind of relationship but then the game denied people at the end. It too felt like a bit of cheat and the dev acknowledged that these things they included could be seen as her wanting a relationship wth her brother even though that wasn't their intention when they put those things in there, but the point is that you don't tease players with that possibility and then say 'no' at the end.

In BaDIK, this is particularly prominent with the M&J relationship, another throuple only this one has gone quite far already. People, including myself, will want an ending with both of them and I believe the game should allow for that, not take it away or break it up as part of an unavoidable plot/narrative moment otherwise it will, again, feel like being cheated out of something that the game would seem to be promising.

I'm not sure if it's explicitly stated, but this game isn't meant to be just like every other AVN. It's not all about wooing and fucking. At the very offset it tells you it's going to play with your heartstrings.

I doubt a "happily every after" scenario with the mc, Maya and Josy is on the cards. Some one's gonna get their heart broken.

I am willing to bet that there will be several inevitable endings to thwart our desires, based on DPC being a douche and not our choices...... Gentleman's bet of $100 US?

I think there will be a positive ending with each LI. If you're expecting a throuple or a harem then yes, you're probably going to be thwarted.

for me the trouple, if it lasts until the end, will be a gift from DPC, I do not consider it a due ending (in AL it was different and more unhealthy, it forced you to the trouple to have Melissa, and then it forced you to sacrifice Meghan). it's an extra ending

instead I demand every single ending for each LI

Let's assume it's Jill who dies, Jill so as a player I'll have to quickly give up Sage, Bella (as well as Nora, Nichole and Sandy). should i accept it after 20 hours of gameplay? and in case be happy with a possible emergency girl for the finale?

I don't think you should be playing the game with the expectation that your main LI will die. That's a really negative way to play it. DPC didn't kill the main LI in AL (unless you were greedy and wanted more than one).

I think a M&J throuple ending is due. There could still be individual endings should something happen with them, but when you give people that opportunity to be with 2 LIs in a mutual relationship among all 3, then there should absolutely be an ending for it. So let's assume that some players go for M&J which means they have to give up all other LIs and side girls, would it be fair if there is no ending with both no matter what players do when this is the relationship said players were aiming for? Should they accept that? Should they accept having to possibly choose one over the other when they want both? Because I don't think so.

Point is that any relationship with designated main LI characters, be they solo or as a package deal, should have an achievable ending for it and none should have a forced "bad" ending where you can't have an ending with them because of an unavoidable plot element.

I think the only way this throuple ending will occur is if the endings are far less definitive. In AL each ending was about marriage and possible children and was typically a life goal. Hopefully in this game it won't be so serious. The MC is only 19, he doesn't need to be married or in a permanent relationship by the time he finishes college - he's got his whole life ahead of him. So at the end he should hopefully have a lot of friends, maybe a steady girlfriend and some fond memories. Is there room for some sad events in there too? Of course there is.