VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Doorknocker]

DPC didn't kill the main LI in AL (unless you were greedy and wanted more than one).

Ugh, that's how it worked? I've avoided AL like the plague based on what people say about it. Let me just say that I know many throuples in real life that work out very, very well. It's a lot more common than people realize. There just really aren't any good representations in media that I can think of.

I'll acknowledge that all of the throuples I know in real life started either in their late twenties or in their thirties, and the characters in BaDIK are quite a bit younger and less mature, but it really burns my biscuits when poly relationships are portrayed as either impossible or "being greedy." What works for you, works for you.

For the record, the throuples in my circle of friends are all MFF (which makes sense to me, as women are way less territorial than men in our culture). I also have some friends that have more of an open relationship, where both partners sleep with other people. They're married, one of those couples has kids, and their relationship are all great. There just isn't good representation of poly relationships. I have some hope that DPC will do the right thing, after getting the shock-jock thing out of his system in AL.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

I'm pretty sure Stella dies in Depraved Awakening no matter what you do. It was totally appropriate and very emotional.

I don't think she was ever regarded as being a main LI, so that's different.

I'm not sure if it's explicitly stated, but this game isn't meant to be just like every other AVN. It's not all about wooing and fucking. At the very offset it tells you it's going to play with your heartstrings.

I doubt a "happily every after" scenario with the mc, Maya and Josy is on the cards. Some one's gonna get their heart broken.

At the heart of every AVN, underneath all the story, it is about wooing and fucking. This is the prime reason people play these games; they come for the wooing and the fucking, and in some cases they stay and keep coming back because of the good story built around these 2 things. Just because the story might play around with your emotions does not and should not mean that certain relationships are doomed to fail.

The M&J/MC relationship doesn't have to be all smiles and rainbows, it can go through its fair share of trials and tribulations (Maya's Dad and the MC's promiscuity being chief among them), but to not provide some pathway towards an ending with both of them is, in my view, bad design by the dev because there should always be a path for the main LIs in a game, whether it's only solo paths or there are some potential poly/harem paths.

I think there will be a positive ending with each LI. If you're expecting a throuple or a harem then yes, you're probably going to be thwarted.

And this would be a massive mistake by DPC, one that would be a repeat of AL but on a much grander scale given that they are much further along in the throuple relationship than Megan, Melissa, and the MC ever were in AL.

I think the only way this throuple ending will occur is if the endings are far less definitive. In AL each ending was about marriage and possible children and was typically a life goal. Hopefully in this game it won't be so serious. The MC is only 19, he doesn't need to be married or in a permanent relationship by the time he finishes college - he's got his whole life ahead of him. So at the end he should hopefully have a lot of friends, maybe a steady girlfriend and some fond memories. Is their room for some sad events in there too? Of course there is.

No, the endings should be definitive or at the very least hopeful because this is what people want to see out of these different relationships. Regardless of who the LI is, whether it's Sage, Jill, or M&J, the last thing a player who has chosen this particular path wants to see (besides the death of their chosen LI) is an ending along the lines of, "but it wasn't to last, and we drifted apart after college, but I found someone else to love and now I'm happily married to them." This kind of ending has the potential to cause even greater rage than the AL fire because the one you choose is the one you want to end the game with.

Even if it ends with an, "I don't know what the future holds for us, but I'm optimistic and will do whatever I can to make it work", that at least gives the player optimism too and doesn't spell doom for the relationship when the curtain falls and the game ends.

As much as DPC is making the story they want to tell, they have to remember that they have an audience and a fandom that is heavily invested in these characters and the potential endings with each of them. Therefore, when it comes to those chosen and elevated to "main girl" status, I feel that it is good dev practice to ensure that there are viable and achievable endings with all of them, and if one or more are linked in a possible threesome/harem path because the game either explicitly has this or heavily indicates it could go this way, then an ending for this must also be provided for those players that want it.

 

[AchedCroissant]

Can't wait until we have both of them in front of us at the same time.

I hope happens in the chapter 7 and if Nicole enters in the equation it will be welcome

 

[shazba]

I don't think she was ever regarded as being a main LI, so that's different.

At the heart of every AVN, underneath all the story, it is about wooing and fucking. This is the prime reason people play these games; they come for the wooing and the fucking, and in some cases they stay and keep coming back because of the good story built around these 2 things. Just because the story might play around with your emotions does not and should not mean that certain relationships are doomed to fail.

The M&J/MC relationship doesn't have to be all smiles and rainbows, it can go through its fair share of trials and tribulations (Maya's Dad and the MC's promiscuity being chief among them), but to not provide some pathway towards an ending with both of them is, in my view, bad design by the dev because there should always be a path for the main LIs in a game, whether it's only solo paths or there are some potential poly/harem paths.

And this would be a massive mistake by DPC, one that would be a repeat of AL but on a much grander scale given that they are much further along in the throuple relationship than Megan, Melissa, and the MC ever were in AL.

No, the endings should be definitive or at the very least hopeful because this is what people want to see out of these different relationships. Regardless of who the LI is, whether it's Sage, Jill, or M&J, the last thing a player who has chosen this particular path wants to see (besides the death of their chosen LI) is an ending along the lines of, "but it wasn't to last, and we drifted apart after college, but I found someone else to love and now I'm happily married to them." This kind of ending has the potential to cause even greater rage than the AL fire because the one you choose is the one you want to end the game with.

Even if it ends with an, "I don't know what the future holds for us, but I'm optimistic and will do whatever I can to make it work", that at least gives the player optimism too and doesn't spell doom for the relationship when the curtain falls and the game ends.

As much as DPC is making the story they want to tell, they have to remember that they have an audience and a fandom that is heavily invested in these characters and the potential endings with each of them. Therefore, when it comes to those chosen and elevated to "main girl" status, I feel that it is good dev practice to ensure that there are viable and achievable endings with all of them, and if one or more are linked in a possible threesome/harem path because the game either explicitly has this or heavily indicates it could go this way, then an ending for this must also be provided for those players that want it.

You're just saying how you'd like things to be. There are no rules. There's a game on this forum where you stalk and murder women...

DPC's "patreonage" is increasing, and I think people have a strong sense that he will finish what he starts. I think that's more important than anything (as long as he maintains the current quality).

 

[Kellermann]

There's a game on this forum where you stalk and murder women...

That's disgusting and vile! Anyone who plays something like that is a degenerate who should probably be in jail.

psst...what's the name of it?

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm pretty sure Stella dies in Depraved Awakening no matter what you do. It was totally appropriate and very emotional.



I'm pretty sure AL has a monogamous ending with each character (except the antagonist), some not so happy as to how other characters are impacted.




Meaningful deaths can be very poignant. Deaths for the sake of drama alone (which is what people here are accusing DPC of) just make people angry.




A love interest would be any character that a game allows you to develop a deep relationship with. By specifically highlighting them (as is done in a lot of these AVNs), DPC takes away any false hopes of other relationships blooming. I noticed Sally and KRJ aren't there in the end of episode LI summaries...



I'm not sure if it's explicitly stated, but this game isn't meant to be just like every other AVN. It's not all about wooing and fucking. At the very offset it tells you it's going to play with your heartstrings.

I doubt a "happily every after" scenario with the mc, Maya and Josy is on the cards. Some one's gonna get their heart broken.



I think there will be a positive ending with each LI. If you're expecting a throuple or a harem then yes, you're probably going to be thwarted.



I don't think you should be playing the game with the expectation that your main LI will die. That's a really negative way to play it. DPC didn't kill the main LI in AL (unless you were greedy and wanted more than one).



I think the only way this throuple ending will occur is if the endings are far less definitive. In AL each ending was about marriage and possible children and was typically a life goal. Hopefully in this game it won't be so serious. The MC is only 19, he doesn't need to be married or in a permanent relationship by the time he finishes college - he's got his whole life ahead of him. So at the end he should hopefully have a lot of friends, maybe a steady girlfriend and some fond memories. Is there room for some sad events in there too? Of course there is.

I would say no ...

in DA Stella dies about halfway through the game, it's a highly dramatic moment in a noir-setting story, where darks are predictable.

in AL after the fire the game is practically over, there is a long epilogue, in some playgames there is still an important choice to make, but in any case the end of the game has already been set.
why do you think the players who bet Melissa, or even Melissa, are greedy? apart, that as you also said earlier, those who have only pursued Meghan find themselves living a fairly alienating experience in which they are forced into a drama that they do not understand and do not share. it is evident that DPC wants the player to be quite tied to both Meghan and Melissa at that point, in other cases the last third of the game is quite mediocre

it doesn't seem right to shift the blame from the story to the player

so in BADIK are those players who are currently in relationship with both Josy and Maya greedy? do they therefore deserve to be punished too?

I am not convinced there will be an ending for each LI, I hope so but I am not convinced. I have a lot of doubts about Bella's ending, for now there are no traces of the solo path for Maya and Josy, and even their ending as a trouple will have to overcome many obstacles.

 

[chamillionaire]

Hello~! i'm new to this game, currently in chapter 2 of the game. Can i ask a question to the veterans of this game, can i still get a sex from Isabella and Jill even tho my points is goin into path of DIKS? or should i restart then go to the opposite path which is CHIKS?

 

[shazba]

Hello~! i'm new to this game, currently in chapter 2 of the game. Can i ask a question to the veterans of this game, can i still get a sex from Isabella and Jill even tho my points is goin into path of DIKS? or should i restart then go to the opposite path which is CHIKS?

That's a hard one, as of episode 6, the answer is yes you can have a relationship with Bella and Jill as a DIK - but at this point neither has had full blown sex with the mc anyway, and we don't know what will happen going forward.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Hello~! i'm new to this game, currently in chapter 2 of the game. Can i ask a question to the veterans of this game, can i still get a sex from Isabella and Jill even tho my points is goin into path of DIKS? or should i restart then go to the opposite path which is CHIKS?

for now Mc has not yet had sex with either of them, with Bella we are in foreplay, with Jill even further behind.

with Jill you have to give up a scene if you are not with CHICK affinity at the time, otherwise you have the same content with both girls.

it's very likely that at some point, especially with Jill, it could have a negative impact being DIK.

 

[shazba]

I would say no ...

in DA Stella dies about halfway through the game, it's a highly dramatic moment in a noir-setting story, where darks are predictable.

in AL after the fire the game is practically over, there is a long epilogue, in some playgames there is still an important choice to make, but in any case the end of the game has already been set.
why do you think the players who bet Melissa, or even Melissa, are greedy? apart, that as you also said earlier, those who have only pursued Meghan find themselves living a fairly alienating experience in which they are forced into a drama that they do not understand and do not share. it is evident that DPC wants the player to be quite tied to both Meghan and Melissa at that point, in other cases the last third of the game is quite mediocre

it doesn't seem right to shift the blame from the story to the player

so in BADIK are those players who are currently in relationship with both Josy and Maya greedy? do they therefore deserve to be punished too?

I am not convinced there will be an ending for each LI, I hope so but I am not convinced. I have a lot of doubts about Bella's ending, for now there are no traces of the solo path for Maya and Josy, and even their ending as a trouple will have to overcome many obstacles.

I'm not saying anyone deserves to be punished, but simply in AL if you want a relationship with two girls at the same time you get hit with a heart wrenching decision.

I think DPC would be very silly to employ the exact same dynamic to BaDIK, i.e. if you go for the threesome you'll be forced to choose and one will die, but you may still end up having to choose only one girl even if you like both of the two girls (just in the same way it is already possible the girls didn't choose the mc in that library scene).

Now that you mention Bella, that's a good point. It's hard to imagine a "happily ever after" relationship with her. The only thing the two seem to have in common are sex and Jill. Bella even states in the library that their humors are not compatible.

 

[felicemastronzo]

I'm not saying anyone deserves to be punished, but simply in AL if you want a relationship with two girls at the same time you get hit with a heart wrenching decision.

I think DPC would be very silly to employ the exact same dynamic to BaDIK, i.e. if you go for the threesome you'll be forced to choose and one will die, but you may still end up having to choose only one girl even if you like both of the two girls (just in the same way it is already possible the girls didn't choose the mc in that library scene).

Now that you mention Bella, that's a good point. It's hard to imagine a "happily ever after" relationship with her. The only thing the two seem to have in common are sex and Jill. Bella even states in the library that their humors are not compatible.

but are you talking about the player or the MC?

the player cannot choose to be ONLY with Melissa, if he wants Melissa, DPC forces him to stay with Meghan too and then forces him to let her die in the fire. very courteous from DPC. would it be the player's fault?
the only choice he makes is whether to accept Melissa's advances, at that point he may like the trouple or not, but he does not choose that solution, neither the player nor MC.

similarly now in BADIK he cannot choose to be with Maya or Josy, or both or neither. the BADIK player is much greedier at this point.

to me that an LI dies or disappears very little changes, if Maya's father kills her (or Josy) or takes her away in an inevitable way, the result is the same

 

[shazba]

but are you talking about the player or the MC?

the player cannot choose to be ONLY with Melissa, if he wants Melissa, DPC forces him to stay with Meghan too and then forces him to let her die in the fire. very courteous from DPC. would it be the player's fault?
the only choice he makes is whether to accept Melissa's advances, at that point he may like the trouple or not, but he does not choose that solution, neither the player nor MC.

similarly now in BADIK he cannot choose to be with Maya or Josy, or both or neither. the BADIK player is much greedier at this point.

to me that an LI dies or disappears very little changes, if Maya's father kills her (or Josy) or takes her away in an inevitable way, the result is the same

In AL it's never the players fault if someone dies in the fire, it's the antagonists fault. Of course the main character feels guilt as would anyone in real life if they failed to save everyone, hence the therapy to assist the mc to come to terms with what happened and to not blame himself, but the mc only had the opportunity to save one person, but it's healthier to focus not on choosing who dies, but choosing to save someone. As a player, you choose the LI you want to save. It's only if you want to save them both equally that you're left disappointed. It's still a lousy situation to face and I would never want to be confronted with such a thing in real life.

Regarding BaDIK, you're right, at this point if you want either Maya or Josy, it's all or nothing, would it have been better if DPC put a mechanism in there that allowed the MC to deviously split the girls up so he could take only the one the player wants? I don't think so, this isn't that kind of game. The MC is basically kind hearted and tries to help.

 

[felicemastronzo]

In AL it's never the players fault if someone dies in the fire, it's the antagonists fault. Of course the main character feels guilt as would anyone in real life if they failed to save everyone, hence the therapy to assist the mc to come to terms with what happened and to not blame himself, but the mc only had the opportunity to save one person, but it's healthier to focus not on choosing who dies, but choosing to save someone. As a player, you choose the LI you want to save. It's only if you want to save them both equally that you're left disappointed. It's still a lousy situation to face and I would never want to be confronted with such a thing in real life.

Regarding BaDIK, you're right, at this point if you want either Maya or Josy, it's all or nothing, would it have been better if DPC put a mechanism in there that allowed the MC to deviously split the girls up so he could take only the one the player wants? I don't think so, this isn't that kind of game. The MC is basically kind hearted and tries to help.

well actually, if there is a solo route for Maya and Josy, and it seems so, the interested player will do just that, he will play circling like a vulture on the two girls ready to intervene at the first difficulty. in the end MC will be directly the cause of the breakdown or the first beneficiary
also very courteous on the part of DPC.

it seems too early to talk again about the disaster of the fourth chapter , but it doesn't seem to me that it was the only possible solution, but by now I have understood that if it is the MC that suffers, all in all, it is good for everyone. it seems to me the right punishment for being of a good heart

 

[Procyonix]

Hello~! i'm new to this game, currently in chapter 2 of the game. Can i ask a question to the veterans of this game, can i still get a sex from Isabella and Jill even tho my points is goin into path of DIKS? or should i restart then go to the opposite path which is CHIKS?

And Jill is much easier to romance Chick since many of her +RPs are Chick only, though as was mentioned already, you don't have full on sex with either thus far in the game as of the end of Ch 6.

I have a full DIK, Full Chick, and a neutral save waiting for Ch 7 for that reason, to hedge my bets

 

[N7]

There's not a lot of specifics to report on this week. I've been working hard on dialogue/code and trying to keep a steady number of animations in the render queue.

I have posed a total of 131 animations and I also have re-worked a few episode 6 animations with a new technique I picked up.

At the moment, 94 animations for episode 7 are complete. I'm a bit unsure about the total animation count for this update, but I have several lewd scenes left to pose animations for.

I think it's safe to say that both the animation count and duration will be bigger and longer than for episode 6. For the static render count, it's too early to tell.

The episode will have a focus on both story and lewd scenes, but a bit more balanced compared to the story focused episode 6.



Poll news

The winner in this week's poll was option #4.

It will be featured in episode 7.

Right now, there's an on-going poll for a 2D wallpaper

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A final reminder for Vice Presidents and tiers above it, submit your render request before the end of December

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. 4 entries will be handpicked and produced for January's batch of custom renders.

Due to the holiday season, the next status update will be posted on January 1, 2021.

I will of course be working between now and then, with the exception of a few days, and you will see more posts from me before the end of the year.

Cheers

Dr PinkCake

 

[BenMeiffert]

no Josy death? hmmm

She's killed by a crab-monster in a D&G game... and find KRJ back in Valhalla.

 

[Paranoid丶Chen]

So, how much is Maya's tuition?

 

[Urdnot Wrex]

I highly recommend it because it has a lot of Role and the decisions you make in each game directly affect the sequel and of course there are romance routes

And there's also Urdnot Wrex, the one and only

 

[shazba]

I have posed a total of 131 animations and I also have re-worked a few episode 6 animations with a new technique I picked up.

Looks like all those looking for episode 6 saves will be looking for episode 5 saves after the next release!

 

[shazba]

So, how much is Maya's tuition?

It's undisclosed, left vague so we don't know whether the MC's new found funds (5K) will be adequate.