VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

Tybalt isn't going to press charges or sue the mc, he only has witnesses that the mc was at the premises, and considering it's a frat house, the chances of any judge taking that seriously...

Any further crimes that Tybalt may wish to pin on the mc would require his friends to perjure themselves, not likely...

Even if the MC hit Tybalt, Tybalt struck first and once again, Tybalt's friends aren't going to perjure themselves and deny Tybalt struck first because they know too many other witnesses (like all of the DIKs) saw it.

But the whole point here is not that Tybalt is going to take any legal action; he's just used the situation to show Jill what a bad influence the mc is and threaten legal action. And he's done so in such a way that it doesn't look like blackmail to Jill; he's convinced Jill that he has her best interests at heart and is trying to protect her from the bad influence of the mc. Jill is even questioning the mc's character and she's disappointed that he was involved this situation.

Of course once she's told the mc, the mc just needs to confront Tybalt, he'll fold faster than superman on laundry day.

here is a real shame of the absolute linearity of BADIK's story is that if it were a film there would be many more possibilities

to the affair between Tybalt and MC, neither Jade nor in the Burke case could remain extraneous

instead they probably will

however I don't think this blackmail parenthesis will end soon, it will go on for at least a couple of chapters, at the end of the picnic Jill and MC have not decided anything on how to deal with it.

 

[shazba]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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I did.

(Then I scrolled back and changed my choice because I couldn't resist her cute face.)

 

[Razrback16]

Josy's Father is paying her tuition, so he has considerable power. But that wasn't my point. Josy wouldn't do anything that would lower herself in her Father's eye's. That relationship is just too important to her. Her love for her Father is a central part of her character.

I don't think she would do that for Maya either. It's just a theory but I think the M/J relationship is already falling apart. We've already seen a preview picture of Josy in the HOT swimming pool in episode 7. How patient is Josy going to be with another separation from Maya because of the situation with Maya's Father?

Think of the dialogue during their 'reconciliation'
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I think it's fairly obvious that this was the major problem when they fought over the summer
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And now they are apart again. And again it's because Maya won't stand up to her Father.

Also look at the episode 5 scene between MC and Josy after her Father's visit.
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This is on a playthru where the MC chose the only friends path. Notice that Josy doesn't begin to cry until she says that she will be happy with Maya. I think on at least one level she is already regretting the loss of the MC, earlier in this scene we hear her saying that she feels like MC and Maya didn't give her a choice in the matter.

Given all of this I feel that it's unlikely that Josy would risk the relationship with her Father, just to make a sacrafice for Maya, especially if Maya isn't doing anything for herself either.

Ya, I feel like some other people have mentioned already in this thread that with Maya's dad showing up, this will be a great opportunity for the MC to have the opportunity to have some solo route options with them. I expect we'll have the choice to pose as either Josy's boyfriend or Maya's boyfriend in front of Maya's dad in order to "cover" for them and that will allow us to explore such a relationship which is what I'm looking for with Josy. MC will likely be able to take one of them back to his place for a bit so that'll be neat. Especially now that we're getting to a point in the game where we're being nudged into whittling down our LI selections.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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me, but I'm a bad person.

first they kiss each other, then he kisses me, and then he refuses me because Maya is afraid ...

Tommy was right

I'm kidding

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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I did
On all 3 of my playthroughs.

 

[anonymoussposter]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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if it had been the other girl i would have skipped

 

[ExDeath730]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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I never had a reason to not make out with her. Look at how the girl seem to want it, and of course, in the scene she really goes for it. That's the fun thing abou Josy, she really goes all out in these moments.

A hot take for everyone involved, because it's morning and my ideas are not all there yet. If we would have this scene in Maya's POV, would this be considered NTR?

 

[bbking42]

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Decided to do a top 10 list with a few honorable mentions instead of randomly throwing girls into categories with no real though. Numbers was a lot more tricky.

Happy with the way it came out.

Starting with the honorable mentions.

Josy, I'm just holding out hope that the relationship with Maya is broken up, and she can start something solo without MC, if not she won't be here next time either.

Cathy will probably be top 10 by next episode, we know she has a Jakob painting so we know she will get more content in the future, she had very little time in 6 and zero interaction with MC, I expect to see her again and I expect her ranking to go up.

Spiderface aka Sandy was awesome, but I don't think she'll be back, at least not for a few episodes. But her awesomeness will keep her in this ranking for the time being.

Mona is most likely gone from the story, but since this is my first top 10 ranking, she'll get a spot. MC will always remember the stall threesome.

Sally is Sally, she will always get a honorable mention from me even though it will never go anywhere.

Top 5 is likely locked in place, with mayhaps Bella being able to break through depending on direction. She's either gonna break in top 5 or drop out of top 10.

I think Jill might be dropping out of the top 10 based on the direction her content seems to be leaning. I understand that this is a story being told, and we are more along for the ride than in control of the MC, but coming out and professing love for someone you've known for 3 weeks, is not my kind of content. If that's the continuation of the Jill path or MC can't get back with her after the decision, she'll be gone.

Lilly, Melanie and Sarah will likely stay where they are, can't see them top 5 can't see them outside top 10.

Quinn and Sage staying where they are. I don't know if Sage has what it takes to be number 1 but we'll see.

The latest preview image makes it seem like Riona might be gunning for 3 but not quite there yet.

Mona in bottom tier! Blasphemy!

 

[felicemastronzo]

I never had a reason to not make out with her. Look at how the girl seem to want it, and of course, in the scene she really goes for it. That's the fun thing abou Josy, she really goes all out in these moments.

A hot take for everyone involved, because it's morning and my ideas are not all there yet. If we would have this scene in Maya's POV, would this be considered NTR?

there is

just before kissing MC, Josy kisses Maya

but it seems that female NTR is never valid

 

[ExDeath730]

there is

just before kissing MC, Josy kisses Maya

but it seems that female NTR is never valid

No, i was saying in the sense that Josy is already back with Maya in this scene, isn't her? So that's where this idea comes from. The MC at this point doesn't have any relationship with the two of them, and depending on your route, he wouldn't want to or can't.

 

[shazba]

No, i was saying in the sense that Josy is already back with Maya in this scene, isn't her? So that's where this idea comes from. The MC at this point doesn't have any relationship with the two of them, and depending on your route, he wouldn't want to or can't.

The two girls were in a relationship all along, then both of them effectively cheated on each other with the MC. So no one's cheating on the MC, and rather than labelling it NTR and all that porno game rules nonsense, just consider it "complicated"...

I did
On all 3 of my playthroughs.

But did you peek and then rollback, or was it true discipline?

EDIT: Is it just me or is the "Like" button broken? I can't put smiley faces after people's posts anymore, just thumbs up only.

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

Also, that kiss was part of the drinking game. Hardly NTR.

 

[ExDeath730]

The two girls were in a relationship all along, then both of them effectively cheated on each other with the MC. So no one's cheating on the MC, and rather than labelling it NTR and all that porno game rules nonsense, just consider it "complicated"...


But did you peek and then rollback, or was it true discipline?

EDIT: Is it just me or is the "Like" button broken? I can't put smiley faces after people's posts anymore, just thumbs up only.

About that situation, it was not from the MC perspective. He had nothing with them, at least nothing serious, it was from Maya's perspective because of the scene. Basically, if we were on Maya's shoes, would that be considered NTR?

About the like buttom, yep, i have the same problem, i think it isn't working right now.

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

But did you peek and then rollback, or was it true discipline?

True discipline lol
The other option was too hard for me to select.
I know it's just a game and I'm kind of stupid for taking it too seriously but.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[shazba]

About that situation, it was not from the MC perspective. He had nothing with then, at least nothing serious, it was from Maya's perspective because of the scene. Basically, if we were on Maya's shoes, would that be considered NTR?

About the like buttom, yep, i have the same problem, i think it isn't working right now.

Yeah, I just realised what you meant, but from Maya's perspective I don't think she would be jealous at that point. She didn't even know Josy was in a previous relationship with the MC (she only finds out in the library), so she would have just thought they were playing the kissing game. If you don't choose to make out (because like, you're just too damn angry), see Maya's response, she and the MC look like major sad sacks. Don't know what her response was if they did kiss, but Lily's comment was well placed.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yeah, I just realised what you meant, but from Maya's perspective I don't think she would be jealous at that point. She didn't even know Josy was in a previous relationship with the MC (she only finds out in the library), so she would have just thought they were playing the kissing game. If you don't choose to make out (because like, you're just too damn angry), see Maya's response, she and the MC look like major sad sacks. Don't know what her response was if they did kiss, but Lily's comment was well placed.

seeing it only from a narrative point of view: the situation changes according to the epilogue later in the library

if MC proposes to remain friends, then it's just a game

if MC proposes to try to be something more and the girls accept, then that kiss could be considered a first step

if MC proposes to try to be something more and the girls refuse, then, since we are told that Maya is scared, it could be that kiss that has alarmed her (NTRish for her)

 

[Arigon]

I've read it a bit before starting writing and most of these could be classified as poor writing at best. A plot hole is a contradiction, and as far as I've read before writing (I'll read it fully as I write) I haven't seen any.

Yeah, DPC doesn't look like he handles criticism very well.

Most of us agree that the MC overreacted after Josy came in episode 3. When Josy said "We are all cheaters here" I though to myself "Well, speak for yourself". If the MC feels like a cheater at least it should have been justified to us players with some inner though or something. Those little things are the things that make us not empatize with the MC when we should.

Making Jade and Cathy not compatible with the M&J path is legitimate. I prefer being able to choose, more branching and facing consecuences for actions, but making some paths block others is fine too. I think Jade was well done. In the M&J path you arrive at the meeting place with both girls, Jade see is and not wanting to be recognized leaves fast. I don't see a problem with this. Cathy on the other hand makes no sense, MC rejects Cathy on the M&J path without informing the player or at least telling us why. Same with the bar interactions, at least there he tells us why we can't pursue them and Jill at the same time. I'd prefer the ability to fuck it up and face consecuences, but at least we are given a reason.

The MC was seen at the mansion, he wasn't invited and he's known for not liking Tybalt and the preps. I think it's enough to sue him, maybe not enough for a gilty veredict, but being tried could be very bad for someone financially impared as the MC. Jill knows this. As long as it's solid enough to blackmail Jill it's all that Tybalt needs.

I mean, Sage found panties in Chad's bag. She looks like the blind type when she's in a relationship, but she's not THAT stupid. She delegates a lot in Quinn, and she abused this to do her thing. Last year it looked like she was more careful than this one. Being smart doesn't mean not being gullible.

Burke seems to be able to cook the books to give tution to his whores. It doesn't sound unlikely at all.

That Bella scene is foreshadowing something, yes. Is that a problem?

I've complained a lot about the DIK system, a lot. Specially about the library scene, and how the game shouldn't check on affinity but on actions based on that affinity. This way we get MC who acted exactly the same towards M&J or Quinn and are rejected "because affinity". It doesn't make much sense.

I don't think you are an asshole or anything. You criticize things you don't like and that's fair, but none of them are plotholes and only a few could be considered poor writing. To me it just looks like you don't like this kind of game.

Good points on the poor writing. Perhaps can agree that it is simply more a lack of good decision making and implementation on DPC's part. It's sort of true that this trope isn't my favorite. There are exceptions. I love Timestamps. I hate WVM. I like BaDIK more than most of them though. Probably why I'm so invested in the story, and why things bug me. I haven't spent more than 10 minutes being critical of WVM, because what is the point? Yeah hot girls, the rest is not my cup of tea.

I think my main concern is that this story could show that DPC could write multiple genres or it could prove that he is a one tool in the shed kind of writer. No arguing he has a massive following. I have been very grateful to see some folks come around to question what he is doing.

At the end of the day, not a single thing I say matters. But I still feel the need. I do need to be more mindful that a lot of folks are triggered easily by anything that is not glowing praise of DPC. In any case, good chat and thanks for your input.
Peace

 

[felicemastronzo]

I've read it a bit before starting writing and most of these could be classified as poor writing at best. A plot hole is a contradiction, and as far as I've read before writing (I'll read it fully as I write) I haven't seen any.

Yeah, DPC doesn't look like he handles criticism very well.

Most of us agree that the MC overreacted after Josy came in episode 3. When Josy said "We are all cheaters here" I though to myself "Well, speak for yourself". If the MC feels like a cheater at least it should have been justified to us players with some inner though or something. Those little things are the things that make us not empatize with the MC when we should.

Making Jade and Cathy not compatible with the M&J path is legitimate. I prefer being able to choose, more branching and facing consecuences for actions, but making some paths block others is fine too. I think Jade was well done. In the M&J path you arrive at the meeting place with both girls, Jade see is and not wanting to be recognized leaves fast. I don't see a problem with this. Cathy on the other hand makes no sense, MC rejects Cathy on the M&J path without informing the player or at least telling us why. Same with the bar interactions, at least there he tells us why we can't pursue them and Jill at the same time. I'd prefer the ability to fuck it up and face consecuences, but at least we are given a reason.

The MC was seen at the mansion, he wasn't invited and he's known for not liking Tybalt and the preps. I think it's enough to sue him, maybe not enough for a gilty veredict, but being tried could be very bad for someone financially impared as the MC. Jill knows this. As long as it's solid enough to blackmail Jill it's all that Tybalt needs.

I mean, Sage found panties in Chad's bag. She looks like the blind type when she's in a relationship, but she's not THAT stupid. She delegates a lot in Quinn, and she abused this to do her thing. Last year it looked like she was more careful than this one. Being smart doesn't mean not being gullible.

Burke seems to be able to cook the books to give tution to his whores. It doesn't sound unlikely at all.

That Bella scene is foreshadowing something, yes. Is that a problem?

I've complained a lot about the DIK system, a lot. Specially about the library scene, and how the game shouldn't check on affinity but on actions based on that affinity. This way we get MC who acted exactly the same towards M&J or Quinn and are rejected "because affinity". It doesn't make much sense.

I don't think you are an asshole or anything. You criticize things you don't like and that's fair, but none of them are plotholes and only a few could be considered poor writing. To me it just looks like you don't like this kind of game.

to understand: what does "poor writing" mean?

a superficial writing, or not structured enough?

in the sense, is not what it should be explored in depth, or is there a lack of nuances?

I ask this in general, as a language barrier, not strictly related to BADIK

 

[ChipLecsap]

Good points on the poor writing. Perhaps can agree that it is simply more a lack of good decision making and implementation on DPC's part. It's sort of true that this trope isn't my favorite. There are exceptions. I love Timestamps. I hate WVM. I like BaDIK more than most of them though. Probably why I'm so invested in the story, and why things bug me. I haven't spent more than 10 minutes being critical of WVM, because what is the point? Yeah hot girls, the rest is not my cup of tea.

I think my main concern is that this story could show that DPC could write multiple genres or it could prove that he is a one tool in the shed kind of writer. No arguing he has a massive following. I have been very grateful to see some folks come around to question what he is doing.

At the end of the day, not a single thing I say matters. But I still feel the need. I do need to be more mindful that a lot of folks are triggered easily by anything that is not glowing praise of DPC. In any case, good chat and thanks for your input.
Peace

We could take your opinions more seriously if you avoid to try to trigger other peoples , No matter what you say, somehow you always find the way to squeeze in the "Im better, but I can't speak freely, because everyone else who like the game is a fanboy" . You find every possibilities to put yourself some kind of pedestal. Just tell what you want , - although we all know you by now, "Everything is bad writing, DPC is trash " - . and then leave out the last part, where you aiming at other users. Just an advice