VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

All Tybalt needs is enough to start an investigation. He has multiple witnesses who saw the MC and Derek there throwing eggs. Even if the DIKS are willing to lie to the police about where the MC was and what happened, if the cops start asking around there are a bunch of HOTs and non-prep guests who could put Derek and the MC at the scene. I'm skeptical all of them would fail to mention the MC. Combine that with any remaining physical evidence (neither the MC or Derek were wearing gloves when they broke in, for example) and I think there is a potential case.

Remember, Tybalt can throw money at PIs to turn up evidence, so the fact that normally a DA wouldn't waste time on a case like this doesn't matter. If Tybalt can find enough for a search warrant, then they'd definitely turn up Derek's stolen items and things snowball. If Tybalt already reported the stag head missing that's a very bad look for the MC. If he didn't it's harder to prove the items were stolen, but that head is so distinctive (and Tybalt's had it at least 3 years) that I like their odds.

(For simplicity I'm ignoring Derek's Rooster posts or the MC's possible dick pic.)

And again, I'm not saying Tybalt needs to prove the MC guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He just needs enough evidence that the MC requires a lawyer to defend himself. I think that's easily plausible if Tybalt goes all out. It's certainly more plausible than, for example, the timeline of events in Episode 5.

Now I agree that even if the threat is real, Jill's handling of it is terrible. There are more effective ways to deal with the problem than submitting to Tybalt's demands and trying to hide that from the MC. But that doesn't make Tybalt's threat empty.

whatever one means ename144 tells it best.

the threat for MC is credible, even if it were a cause destined for acquittal, there would be a great disparity of means between Mc and Tybalt.

the threat that is not credible is that towards Jill.
Tybalt lies to her, talking about a fire, and now Jill knows, this already completely undermines Tybalt's credibility, if you lie once you may have always lied. it's just a big waste of time to allow other relationships to proceed

 

[DavDR]

All Tybalt needs is enough to start an investigation. He has multiple witnesses who saw the MC and Derek there throwing eggs. Even if the DIKS are willing to lie to the police about where the MC was and what happened, if the cops start asking around there are a bunch of HOTs and non-prep guests who could put Derek and the MC at the scene. I'm skeptical all of them would fail to mention the MC. Combine that with any remaining physical evidence (neither the MC or Derek were wearing gloves when they broke in, for example) and I think there is a potential case.

Remember, Tybalt can throw money at PIs to turn up evidence, so the fact that normally a DA wouldn't waste time on a case like this doesn't matter. If Tybalt can find enough for a search warrant, then they'd definitely turn up Derek's stolen items and things snowball. If Tybalt already reported the stag head missing that's a very bad look for the MC. If he didn't it's harder to prove the items were stolen, but that head is so distinctive (and Tybalt's had it at least 3 years) that I like their odds.

(For simplicity I'm ignoring Derek's Rooster posts or the MC's possible dick pic.)

And again, I'm not saying Tybalt needs to prove the MC guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. He just needs enough evidence that the MC requires a lawyer to defend himself. I think that's easily plausible if Tybalt goes all out. It's certainly more plausible than, for example, the timeline of events in Episode 5.

Now I agree that even if the threat is real, Jill's handling of it is terrible. There are more effective ways to deal with the problem than submitting to Tybalt's demands and trying to hide that from the MC. But that doesn't make Tybalt's threat empty.

And you keep missing the point, there is NOT enough to start an investigation. Merely being seen at the scene of a crime is NOT evidence. It doesn't even come close to probable cause. Also, you seem to have an unrealistic sense of fingerprints. First, the kitchen is a common household area, there could be hundreds of set's of prints in that kitchen. You would have to collect and identify all of them, then you would have to get Derek and the MC's fingerprints for a match, that would require a court order which you would never get. You can't press a suit against someone to bleed their bank account without cause. It would probably backfire on you and leave you open to a counter suit for harassment. Your lawyer would know that and refuse to take the case.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Taking this discussion in another direction, I think that too many adult games fall into the story trope of needing a central mystery (or mysteries) to compel the player. The problem with mysteries is that they're hard to write. Professional writers can struggle to put together a compelling mystery because of all the components that go into it. But 99% of adult game devs are not professional writers, and it shows. DPC got away with it in AL, but I think the scope of BaDIK has strained his abilities. Frankly, in AL the major twist/mystery plays out in the background for most of the game before exploding on the scene late in the game; so it was easier to hide. But in BaDIK the mysteries are taking center stage, with multiple concurrent stories. I think this has resulted in BaDIK's narratives feeling poorly constructed. I won't say they suffer from plot holes, or even inconsistencies, but they just feel sloppy. If it was just one story line, that would be one thing, but it isn't:

Does Maya's conflict with her father and the student loans make sense under scrutiny?
Why is Bella included as a LI, and will her mysterious background make sense?
Does the blackmail story make sense? Is that a realistic threat that Tybalt could cause trouble for the MC?
And what's the deal with Jill and her background? Is she the MC's aunt?
What is Quinn's plan, and how is Tommy involved? They seem in way over their head.

Any one of these story lines could probably be compelling enough on their own, but we have five of them. For some of these stories, I feel like the continued mystery is unhelpful, and that we as the audience should know a lot more even if the character's don't. The hook of a mystery makes sense, but you don't always need to rely on it, especially if you aren't able to assemble the clues in a compelling way. Instead, we're sitting here debating if the connective tissue within the stories make sense- and that isn't what you want if you're the creator. If your stories are causing people to pause and ask if this makes sense, then you have a problem. Even if logical answers are possible, the story just needs to flow without requiring players to debate about it on a forum. If assembling the story as a series of mysteries is hurting the connective tissue then you need to try a different approach.

the mysteries only serve as a network to keep the single events together, in this way single events of little significance still attract attention (Bella's locked room, the letter from MC's mother, Jill's sister, etc.)

then it's true, you're right, building a good mystery is quite easy, but closing it worthily is not at all.

often at the end of a thriller we are "disappointed", our expectations went beyond what we were shown. this often happens in this genre of games as well. but the mystery is never central to the intentions, it is only as a tool to create interest, the center of the narration is always the sentimental / sexual developments

 

[felicemastronzo]

Tybalt isn't going to press charges or sue the mc, he only has witnesses that the mc was at the premises, and considering it's a frat house, the chances of any judge taking that seriously...

Any further crimes that Tybalt may wish to pin on the mc would require his friends to perjure themselves, not likely...

Even if the MC hit Tybalt, Tybalt struck first and once again, Tybalt's friends aren't going to perjure themselves and deny Tybalt struck first because they know too many other witnesses (like all of the DIKs) saw it.

But the whole point here is not that Tybalt is going to take any legal action; he's just used the situation to show Jill what a bad influence the mc is and threaten legal action. And he's done so in such a way that it doesn't look like blackmail to Jill; he's convinced Jill that he has her best interests at heart and is trying to protect her from the bad influence of the mc. Jill is even questioning the mc's character and she's disappointed that he was involved this situation.

Of course once she's told the mc, the mc just needs to confront Tybalt, he'll fold faster than superman on laundry day.

here is a real shame of the absolute linearity of BADIK's story is that if it were a film there would be many more possibilities

to the affair between Tybalt and MC, neither Jade nor in the Burke case could remain extraneous

instead they probably will

however I don't think this blackmail parenthesis will end soon, it will go on for at least a couple of chapters, at the end of the picnic Jill and MC have not decided anything on how to deal with it.

 

[shazba]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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I did.

(Then I scrolled back and changed my choice because I couldn't resist her cute face.)

 

[Razrback16]

Josy's Father is paying her tuition, so he has considerable power. But that wasn't my point. Josy wouldn't do anything that would lower herself in her Father's eye's. That relationship is just too important to her. Her love for her Father is a central part of her character.

I don't think she would do that for Maya either. It's just a theory but I think the M/J relationship is already falling apart. We've already seen a preview picture of Josy in the HOT swimming pool in episode 7. How patient is Josy going to be with another separation from Maya because of the situation with Maya's Father?

Think of the dialogue during their 'reconciliation'
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I think it's fairly obvious that this was the major problem when they fought over the summer
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And now they are apart again. And again it's because Maya won't stand up to her Father.

Also look at the episode 5 scene between MC and Josy after her Father's visit.
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This is on a playthru where the MC chose the only friends path. Notice that Josy doesn't begin to cry until she says that she will be happy with Maya. I think on at least one level she is already regretting the loss of the MC, earlier in this scene we hear her saying that she feels like MC and Maya didn't give her a choice in the matter.

Given all of this I feel that it's unlikely that Josy would risk the relationship with her Father, just to make a sacrafice for Maya, especially if Maya isn't doing anything for herself either.

Ya, I feel like some other people have mentioned already in this thread that with Maya's dad showing up, this will be a great opportunity for the MC to have the opportunity to have some solo route options with them. I expect we'll have the choice to pose as either Josy's boyfriend or Maya's boyfriend in front of Maya's dad in order to "cover" for them and that will allow us to explore such a relationship which is what I'm looking for with Josy. MC will likely be able to take one of them back to his place for a bit so that'll be neat. Especially now that we're getting to a point in the game where we're being nudged into whittling down our LI selections.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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me, but I'm a bad person.

first they kiss each other, then he kisses me, and then he refuses me because Maya is afraid ...

Tommy was right

I'm kidding

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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I did
On all 3 of my playthroughs.

 

[anonymoussposter]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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if it had been the other girl i would have skipped

 

[ExDeath730]

Here's a question:

Was anyone able to not click, "Make out" in this scene. No matter how annoyed you were with Maya and Josy at this point, who could resist that cute, innocent face?

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I never had a reason to not make out with her. Look at how the girl seem to want it, and of course, in the scene she really goes for it. That's the fun thing abou Josy, she really goes all out in these moments.

A hot take for everyone involved, because it's morning and my ideas are not all there yet. If we would have this scene in Maya's POV, would this be considered NTR?

 

[bbking42]

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Decided to do a top 10 list with a few honorable mentions instead of randomly throwing girls into categories with no real though. Numbers was a lot more tricky.

Happy with the way it came out.

Starting with the honorable mentions.

Josy, I'm just holding out hope that the relationship with Maya is broken up, and she can start something solo without MC, if not she won't be here next time either.

Cathy will probably be top 10 by next episode, we know she has a Jakob painting so we know she will get more content in the future, she had very little time in 6 and zero interaction with MC, I expect to see her again and I expect her ranking to go up.

Spiderface aka Sandy was awesome, but I don't think she'll be back, at least not for a few episodes. But her awesomeness will keep her in this ranking for the time being.

Mona is most likely gone from the story, but since this is my first top 10 ranking, she'll get a spot. MC will always remember the stall threesome.

Sally is Sally, she will always get a honorable mention from me even though it will never go anywhere.

Top 5 is likely locked in place, with mayhaps Bella being able to break through depending on direction. She's either gonna break in top 5 or drop out of top 10.

I think Jill might be dropping out of the top 10 based on the direction her content seems to be leaning. I understand that this is a story being told, and we are more along for the ride than in control of the MC, but coming out and professing love for someone you've known for 3 weeks, is not my kind of content. If that's the continuation of the Jill path or MC can't get back with her after the decision, she'll be gone.

Lilly, Melanie and Sarah will likely stay where they are, can't see them top 5 can't see them outside top 10.

Quinn and Sage staying where they are. I don't know if Sage has what it takes to be number 1 but we'll see.

The latest preview image makes it seem like Riona might be gunning for 3 but not quite there yet.

Mona in bottom tier! Blasphemy!

 

[felicemastronzo]

I never had a reason to not make out with her. Look at how the girl seem to want it, and of course, in the scene she really goes for it. That's the fun thing abou Josy, she really goes all out in these moments.

A hot take for everyone involved, because it's morning and my ideas are not all there yet. If we would have this scene in Maya's POV, would this be considered NTR?

there is

just before kissing MC, Josy kisses Maya

but it seems that female NTR is never valid

 

[ExDeath730]

there is

just before kissing MC, Josy kisses Maya

but it seems that female NTR is never valid

No, i was saying in the sense that Josy is already back with Maya in this scene, isn't her? So that's where this idea comes from. The MC at this point doesn't have any relationship with the two of them, and depending on your route, he wouldn't want to or can't.

 

[shazba]

No, i was saying in the sense that Josy is already back with Maya in this scene, isn't her? So that's where this idea comes from. The MC at this point doesn't have any relationship with the two of them, and depending on your route, he wouldn't want to or can't.

The two girls were in a relationship all along, then both of them effectively cheated on each other with the MC. So no one's cheating on the MC, and rather than labelling it NTR and all that porno game rules nonsense, just consider it "complicated"...

I did
On all 3 of my playthroughs.

But did you peek and then rollback, or was it true discipline?

EDIT: Is it just me or is the "Like" button broken? I can't put smiley faces after people's posts anymore, just thumbs up only.

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

Also, that kiss was part of the drinking game. Hardly NTR.

 

[ExDeath730]

The two girls were in a relationship all along, then both of them effectively cheated on each other with the MC. So no one's cheating on the MC, and rather than labelling it NTR and all that porno game rules nonsense, just consider it "complicated"...


But did you peek and then rollback, or was it true discipline?

EDIT: Is it just me or is the "Like" button broken? I can't put smiley faces after people's posts anymore, just thumbs up only.

About that situation, it was not from the MC perspective. He had nothing with them, at least nothing serious, it was from Maya's perspective because of the scene. Basically, if we were on Maya's shoes, would that be considered NTR?

About the like buttom, yep, i have the same problem, i think it isn't working right now.

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

But did you peek and then rollback, or was it true discipline?

True discipline lol
The other option was too hard for me to select.
I know it's just a game and I'm kind of stupid for taking it too seriously but.... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[shazba]

About that situation, it was not from the MC perspective. He had nothing with then, at least nothing serious, it was from Maya's perspective because of the scene. Basically, if we were on Maya's shoes, would that be considered NTR?

About the like buttom, yep, i have the same problem, i think it isn't working right now.

Yeah, I just realised what you meant, but from Maya's perspective I don't think she would be jealous at that point. She didn't even know Josy was in a previous relationship with the MC (she only finds out in the library), so she would have just thought they were playing the kissing game. If you don't choose to make out (because like, you're just too damn angry), see Maya's response, she and the MC look like major sad sacks. Don't know what her response was if they did kiss, but Lily's comment was well placed.

 

[felicemastronzo]

Yeah, I just realised what you meant, but from Maya's perspective I don't think she would be jealous at that point. She didn't even know Josy was in a previous relationship with the MC (she only finds out in the library), so she would have just thought they were playing the kissing game. If you don't choose to make out (because like, you're just too damn angry), see Maya's response, she and the MC look like major sad sacks. Don't know what her response was if they did kiss, but Lily's comment was well placed.

seeing it only from a narrative point of view: the situation changes according to the epilogue later in the library

if MC proposes to remain friends, then it's just a game

if MC proposes to try to be something more and the girls accept, then that kiss could be considered a first step

if MC proposes to try to be something more and the girls refuse, then, since we are told that Maya is scared, it could be that kiss that has alarmed her (NTRish for her)