VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[shazba]

February 29? Are you sure you've have enough birthdays to be on an adult site?



How so? It would be difficult to prove the MC guilty, but there's more than enough evidence to indict him (in part because he actually is guilty). I don't think it's a stretch to think Tybalt has the connections necessary to get the wheels of 'justice' turning, at which point it will be a substantial headache for the MC to defend himself.

Plus, Tybalt can always skip the cops and just file a civil action. Not only is that a lower burden of proof, but it's much easier to just bankrupt your opponent under a mountain of legal motions via an army of lawyers. The MC is in no position to contest that. With everything in the Preps mansion being chosen for maximum opulence, the damage those sprinkler did is going to be way more than the MC could ever afford to repay.

If you want to harp on the many things BaDIK plays fast and loose with, you really have no business complaining about this.

Indict him for what? What specific charge?

Trespassing? That's a misdemeanor in the US, the Police won't even arrest you for it. Besides, it's not trespassing when you have a standing invite from a resident.

Arson? MC didn't commit arson, Derek did. Any proof? nope! Judge would dismiss it out of hand.

Battery? Maybe, if your MC punched Tybalt. If not, there's no charge. Oh, and if your MC did throw a punch, Tybalt is the one who initiated contact.

A civil action you say? Even with a much lower burden of proof there must be some proof, according to some of my friends who are lawyers any of the above cases would be dismissed out of hand. My one friend who practices civil law told me that one of the most annoying parts of his job is talking clients out of frivolous lawsuits like these. Lawyers do that because it's a waste of their and their clients time and also because bringing such suits reflects badly upon the reputation of the lawyer.

Tybalt isn't going to press charges or sue the mc, he only has witnesses that the mc was at the premises, and considering it's a frat house, the chances of any judge taking that seriously...

Any further crimes that Tybalt may wish to pin on the mc would require his friends to perjure themselves, not likely...

Even if the MC hit Tybalt, Tybalt struck first and once again, Tybalt's friends aren't going to perjure themselves and deny Tybalt struck first because they know too many other witnesses (like all of the DIKs) saw it.

But the whole point here is not that Tybalt is going to take any legal action; he's just used the situation to show Jill what a bad influence the mc is and threaten legal action. And he's done so in such a way that it doesn't look like blackmail to Jill; he's convinced Jill that he has her best interests at heart and is trying to protect her from the bad influence of the mc. Jill is even questioning the mc's character and she's disappointed that he was involved this situation.

Of course once she's told the mc, the mc just needs to confront Tybalt, he'll fold faster than superman on laundry day.

 

[DavDR]

Unless you consider them buying the judges off which is a ludicrous idea but eh weirder things have happened.

Even with some of the awful judges we have in the US Justice system you still need to make a case, and that requires evidence. What's more likely to happen is that the preps contact their families lawyers, an old and established law firm no doubt, and explain why they want to sue the MC. The lawyer will begin by pointing out that the MC has no assets, that the existence of a lawsuit for damages will speedily come to the attention of their insurance company, and that said insurance company will then hold up any settlement until they asses the likelihood of the Preps getting any money from the lawsuit. In the mean time the Prep's lawyer, if he can't talk them out of suing, will have a quiet word with a senior partner who will then call the Preps parents and put the kabosh on the whole sordid business before it reflects badly on the family, and the firm.

 

[ename144]

Indict him for what? What specific charge?

Trespassing? That's a misdemeanor in the US, the Police won't even arrest you for it. Besides, it's not trespassing when you have a standing invite from a resident.

Arson? MC didn't commit arson, Derek did. Any proof? nope! Judge would dismiss it out of hand.

Battery? Maybe, if your MC punched Tybalt. If not, there's no charge. Oh, and if your MC did throw a punch, Tybalt is the one who initiated contact.

A civil action you say? Even with a much lower burden of proof there must be some proof, according to some of my friends who are lawyers any of the above cases would be dismissed out of hand. My one friend who practices civil law told me that one of the most annoying parts of his job is talking clients out of frivolous lawsuits like these. Lawyers do that because it's a waste of their and their clients time and also because bringing such suits reflects badly upon the reputation of the lawyer.

Off the top of my head (and ignoring optional ones like assault and battery or their earlier actions).

Burglary: The MC and Derek unlawfully entered the mansion with intent to commit a crime (arson, theft, vandalism, take your pick).

Arson: They didn't actually do this one, but Tybalt only needs to convince people they were trying to. Derek was asking for a lighter, after all.

Theft: They did steal their suits. Derek even kept some of his. It's entirely possible those things were expensive.

Vandalism: The big one. They actually did this and the problem is that the cost of the repairs is going to be through the roof. That makes it easier to claim it's a felony.

Again, Tybalt only needs enough evidence that a jury is needed to sort it out. I think that's a plausible bar in this case. The MC and Derek are not exactly the Moriarty of college crime.

 

[Tserriednich'sNen]

Theft: They did steal their suits. Derek even kept some of his. It's entirely possible those things were expensive.

MC returned the suit that he borrowed so "Theft" only applies to Derek.

 

[Gladheim]

S = Maya, Camila, Bella, Mona, Heather
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A = Jill, Jade, Riona, Sage, Quinn, Rose, Nicole, Ashley
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B = Brandi, Cathy, Sandy, Melanie
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C = Sally, Sarah, Riona, Elena
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You also missed a couple on that tiermaker:
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Thats cause it doesnt show much

 

[horusxcaen82]

MC returned the suit that he borrowed so "Theft" only applies to Derek.

Derek stole Tybbies family heirloom and no I dont mean the watermelon.

 

[DavDR]

Off the top of my head (and ignoring optional ones like assault and battery or their earlier actions).

Burglary: The MC and Derek unlawfully entered the mansion with intent to commit a crime (arson, theft, vandalism, take your pick).

Arson: They didn't actually do this one, but Tybalt only needs to convince people they were trying to. Derek was asking for a lighter, after all.

Theft: They did steal their suits. Derek even kept some of his. It's entirely possible those things were expensive.

Vandalism: The big one. They actually did this and the problem is that the cost of the repairs is going to be through the roof. That makes it easier to claim it's a felony.

Again, Tybalt only needs enough evidence that a jury is needed to sort it out. I think that's a plausible bar in this case. The MC and Derek are not exactly the Moriarty of college crime.

Evidence. Where is the evidence? And I don't mean a statement from someone that so and so was seen at such and such a place and that a crime occurred. That's not worth the paper it's printed on. Any lawyer in the world could knock that one down, assuming that any Judge would hear it. The Police wouldn't even start an investigation, it doesn't meet the standards of probable cause.

You're getting way ahead of yourself because there's nothing here that a jury would even be empanelled to listen to, much less convinced of.

As I said earlier one of the most important of the lawyerly arts is the throwing of cold water upon the hyperventilating client. And that's exactly what would happen here because neither the Police, nor the Courts, nor the Family Lawyers are going to waste their time over a Fraternity prank. The insurance company will take one look at it, decide it would cost too much to investigate it and would promptly pay the settlement (well, prompt by insurance company standards).

 

[DavDR]

Off the top of my head (and ignoring optional ones like assault and battery or their earlier actions).

Burglary: The MC and Derek unlawfully entered the mansion with intent to commit a crime (arson, theft, vandalism, take your pick).

Arson: They didn't actually do this one, but Tybalt only needs to convince people they were trying to. Derek was asking for a lighter, after all.

Theft: They did steal their suits. Derek even kept some of his. It's entirely possible those things were expensive.

Vandalism: The big one. They actually did this and the problem is that the cost of the repairs is going to be through the roof. That makes it easier to claim it's a felony.

Again, Tybalt only needs enough evidence that a jury is needed to sort it out. I think that's a plausible bar in this case. The MC and Derek are not exactly the Moriarty of college crime.

Oh BTW, juries don't 'sort things out' in the US. They render verdicts upon evidence presented.

 

[Kellermann]

Here's what I want from the finale...an ambiguous yet happy end. An unimaginative example? After the story's falling action and resolution a time jump skips us ahead to just after graduation. MC carries his last couple of boxes out to his car. He takes one last look at the B&R building. Perhaps in the same spot that Neil dropped him off years earlier. He turns to walk towards his car and there, leaning against his vehicle, is chosen girl with a slight smile on her face. We don't really know if they're together or just friends, but their future is wide open. Cue some amazing song then credits.

I don't need marriage and "happily ever after" spelled out, just don't make it a total downer. Don't kill off the girls just because you want to kick me in the balls and because you think death equals dramatic writing. Maybe Quinn...IF it fits the story but that's it muthafucka. I'm drawing the line there.

 

[DavDR]

Derek stole Tybbies family heirloom and no I dont mean the watermelon.

Prove that it was Tybalt's.

Then prove that the specific Stag's head that Derek is in possession of is or was ever the property of Tybalt Burke.

Then try to convince a cop to establish that said Stag's Head is or was ever Tybat Burke's and is currently possessed by Derek LastNameUnknown.

Then try to convince a Judge to sign a search warrant (to search a house owned by the prominent Burgmeister family) to establish in law that said Derek is in possession of a Stag's Head that was once the property of Tybalt Burke.

Then convince a prosecutor to examine the evidence compiled by an overworked Cop, evidence procured without any errors, to determine if a case can be made against said Derek.

See what you're up against here?

 

[Gladheim]

I think it would be good that depending on who the MC stays with , the endings change and are not just variations in the scene. For example, there is a game called No More Secrets in which you have multiple endings and with notable differences, for example in some endings time barely advances a few months and we see how life continues, in others time advances a couple of years And we watch the MC as an adult and in another we even see him as an old man. I am not saying that it is necessary for them to show us here the old MC with his wife and children and grandchildren happy, but it would be nice if with some character we saw him marry and have children, with another by leading a more adventurous life because they do not have children and they dedicate to traveling around the world ... and that kind of thing.

 

[horusxcaen82]

Prove that it was Tybalt's.

Then prove that the specific Stag's head that Derek is in possession of is or was ever the property of Tybalt Burke.

Then try to convince a cop to establish that said Stag's Head is or was ever Tybat Burke's and is currently possessed by Derek LastNameUnknown.

Then try to convince a Judge to sign a search warrant (to search a house owned by the prominent Burgmeister family) to establish in law that said Derek is in possession of a Stag's Head that was once the property of Tybalt Burke.

Then convince a prosecutor to examine the evidence compiled by an overworked Cop, evidence procured without any errors, to determine if a case can be made against said Derek.

See what you're up against here?

why does it have to be hyper realistic ? I mean yeah I get what you are saying but I don't think it needs to go that far, if anything "for plot convenience" they will charge the MC and Derek, cause Derek did start the sprinklers they spend a night in jail, they get out and move on, with that done it could negatively or not negatively impact the story and it would probably be a minor thing anyhow.

 

[horusxcaen82]

I think it would be good that depending on who the MC stays with , the endings change and are not just variations in the scene. For example, there is a game called No More Secrets in which you have multiple endings and with notable differences, for example in some endings time barely advances a few months and we see how life continues, in others time advances a couple of years And we watch the MC as an adult and in another we even see him as an old man. I am not saying that it is necessary for them to show us here the old MC with his wife and children and grandchildren happy, but it would be nice if with some character we saw him marry and have children, with another by leading a more adventurous life because they do not have children and they dedicate to traveling around the world ... and that kind of thing.

I want to see something similar, even if DPC doesnt go that far, atleast let me see at the end if we did all the paths right someone, I keep wondering about his first friend with benefits that moved away, if she comes back it would be funny if she did and caused friction between her and Maya/Josy like "HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER"

 

[SomboSteel]

I GOT IT! something I want to see in the game is that Jill goes from Jill to wow Jill, kinda like in Grease when Sandy goes from pure sweet girl to Sandy the leather tight wearing vixen after being involved with the cool cat that is the MC

have you ever read the theory that Sandy dies in Grease?

the entire ending can be seen as her metaphorically going to heaven since she gets everything that she ever wanted even though none of it makes any sense.

so i dont think people would like you comparing Sandy to Jill, knowing how DPC operates lol

 

[horusxcaen82]

have you ever read the theory that Sandy dies in Grease?

the entire ending can be seen as her metaphorically going to heaven since she gets everything that she ever wanted even though none of it makes any sense.

so i dont think people would like you comparing Sandy to Jill, knowing how DPC operates lol

nah she didn't go to heaven, Travolta just took her to the planet Xenu.

 

[SomboSteel]

^hahaah

 

[DavDR]

why does it have to be hyper realistic ? I mean yeah I get what you are saying but I don't think it needs to go that far, if anything "for plot convenience" they will charge the MC and Derek, cause Derek did start the sprinklers they spend a night in jail, they get out and move on, with that done it could negatively or not negatively impact the story and it would probably be a minor thing anyhow.

No, we've covered this before. Tybalt's blackmail threat, like Maya's tuition problems, needs to be credible to convince the audience that it is an actual threat. You could write a story where Maya was terrified because her Father had threaten to send Angels to cast her into Hell for her sinfull ways, or that Tybalt was threatening to send Nargles to steal Jill's shoes, but you would have to convince your audience that the angels or the nargles constituted a credible threat to those characters or it would just be so much silly drivel.

 

[horusxcaen82]

^hahaah

I thought the ending meant more like "change who you are to please the one you love because you know, acceptance and all that"

 

[horusxcaen82]

No, we've covered this before. Tybalt's blackmail threat, like Maya's tuition problems, needs to be credible to convince the audience that it is an actual threat. You could write a story where Maya was terrified because her Father had threaten to send Angels to cast her into Hell for her sinfull ways, or that Tybalt was threatening to send Nargles to steal Jill's shoes, but you would have to convince your audience that the angels or the nargles constituted a credible threat to those characters or it would just be so much silly drivel.

what about (and this was the first thing I thought when her dad was coming to get her) he takes her to one of those conversion therapy camps to pray the gay away... as they say? didn't mean for that to rhyme , but anyways that was what came to my head as like something drastic but something a religious zealot father would do to make her "clean" again.

 

[DavDR]

what about (and this was the first thing I thought when her dad was coming to get her) he takes her to one of those conversion therapy camps to pray the gay away... as they say? didn't mean for that to rhyme , but anyways that was what came to my head as like something drastic but something a religious zealot father would do to make her "clean" again.

How does he take her? Does he physically carry her away? That's a crime in progress, simple 911 call and Dad's in jail for kidnapping, which is a Federal offense that can be punished with a sentence of life in prison. Does that sound credible?

You see the reason that some of us on this forum have been so critical of these plot points is that they come off as something that DPC pulled straight out of his ass. There was a good story here at one point, but crafting a good story require's a certain amount of probability that a reasonable person can believe, and this story has gone way past that believability standard.