She was willing to use Tybalt before even meeting the MC, I don't think she knows how to care for other people.
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mmmmh... are you sure about your sexual orientation?...
Not that there is somethig wrong about it...
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Maybe Quinn shouldn't be at the bottom but for me it's her hair or makeup that turns me off. Josy and Sage are probably the ones that are more appealing to me.
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Quinn should always be the bottom, but not on any lists.
I might be bi but i've researched this pretty thoroughly. I believe it has something to do with lighting? Obviously I haven't researched it that thoroughly, just enough to try and comfort insecure women but if science is right then pointy bones are a result of high testosterone which is a predominantly male hormone... does that make any sense to you? it's why women tend to have much softer facial (giggity) features like children hence the etymology of terms like 'babe'... I don't see why you should be worried for liking women though if that's what you are worried about. Women also have testosterone just not very much which is why these kinds of 'hot' women are not very common...
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Are you trying to convince us (or yourself) of something by repeatedly posting this minger's close ups? It's not helping her cause if that's the goal. Veins and liverspots ain't going to move the needle sir.
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Thanks to this insightful post, I have cracked the code for Jill and how DPC uses her:
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Sushi in what appears to be a house (rather than a restaurant). I wonder... is Jill is trying to upstage Josy and offer the MC her own homecooked meal? He did mention that back on their first date (though not specifically that it was with Josy).
I also wonder who posted this. If it's the MC, that might indicate the interminable blackmail plot is finally over Which would definitely be grounds to party!
Still, can't get too carried away. Need to stay calm while we wait patiently.
Nah, my money's on Bella.
I don't disagree, seeing someone's life ruined by a lousy upbringing is tragic.
But even if I don't blame that person for being the way they are, the problem is that they're still the way they are. It's very likely that Quinn would not have learned to manipulate and exploit others if she was raised by Neil instead of Rox, but in the end we still have to deal with the Quinn who grew up learning to manipulate and exploit. Even if she's capable of changing with the help of others, it's going to a slow process and she's going to be a nasty piece of work in the meantime.
Can Quinn change? I certainly hope so. But the evidence so far isn't good. While it's cliche to say Quinn needs to want to change, it's nonetheless true. And right now, Quinn absolutely wants to stay the way she is. It's not like Quinn has never been offered kindness before. The HOTs treated her as a friend, and we've seen how she responded. Tommy likewise considered her his closest friend and even offered to be her fall guy should it ever come to that. Yet when Tommy called her out on her fuckup at the prep party, Quinn immediately lashed out and utterly dismissed his criticism. Even when he returned and apologized for his mistake, she still refused to admit she had been anything but 100% in the right. Kindness only counts in Quinn's eyes so long as it's strictly on her terms; justified criticism is tantamount to betrayal.
And that's why I dislike the Quinn's path thus far. If Quinn is ever going to change, the first step has to be for her to accept that her current attitude is wrong. Yet Quinn's path is all about validating her choices: not just being a DIK, but do drugs with her, never take someone's side against her, and back off the moment she doesn't want to hear something. I don't think Quinn's ever going to change if we act that way.
If there's a way to help Quinn without being on her path, I'll certainly try to take it. But there's only so much I can do when Quinn herself is dead set against it.
(And just to be clear, my distaste for Quinn is not the same as distaste for her as a character; the game is definitely better for having Quinn in it!)
An interesting notion for sure, but I'm afraid I can't agree.
First off, I've never believed Quinn is actually letting Riona smoke for free. I think that was just a lie to justify her behavior to Tommy; you'll note she explicitly asks Tommy not to corroborate the story. If Riona really was smoking off the books there'd be no reason to pretend the shortfall was unexplained back when we first learned about it. After all, if Quinn just wanted to motivate Riona, surely reminding her of her role in the problem would be more effective than slapping her.
Secondly, I can't help but notice that Quinn didn't slap Mona when she lost her nerve. Mona was fighting alongside Quinn too (over Riona's objection no less!), and she was far less calm than Riona. So why did Riona need such drastic action while Mona just got a sob speech and some blackmail?
To me, the key distinction is that Riona flat out defied Quinn whereas Mona was in full obsequious mode. As I said above, Quinn reacts extremely badly to criticism, so I think Quinn just lost her temper when Riona called her a fucking idiot. Mona, despite being physically incapable of keeping any secret, kept apologizing to Quinn and agreeing to do as Quinn asked, so Quinn never felt the need to lash out at her. That's my take, anyway.
As for Quinn really caring about Riona... maybe? The problem is that Quinn is such a self-centered person that it's difficult to tell genuine affection for Riona as a person apart from affection for what Riona represents as a tool. By in large Quinn has no use for Riona's advise and ignored Riona's concerns about being followed; the one time she did listen to Riona was after Riona threatened to quit. I don't think it's fair to say unequivocally that Quinn doesn't care about Riona as a person because we've never seen a situation where Quinn had to deal Riona as a person and not as a tool. But I do feel that every time we've seen Quinn deal with Riona, Quinn's first and foremost concern has always been about herself and not Riona.
To me, that's a far cry from affection. YMMV of course, but I think people looking for hidden depths in Quinn are mistaking potential for reality. Quinn may change someday, but for now I think she is precisely what she appears to be on the surface.
Partially a shitpost here, but maybe Quinn slapped Riona because they're closer, and the closer someone is, the worse the feeling of betrayal? Maybe Quinn doesn't handle her initial gut reaction as easily as she pretends? Just an alternative thought.
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It's actually called a clitoris but I can see how you would make that mistake.
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Bro... Respectfully, i've gotta block you. You could post any other LI and no one would bat an eye but you've chose violence
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Well, seems that you really thought about this issue. It's just that your conclusion is contra-intuitive. That doesnt mean is wrong of course. I thought that soft faces were a tipical femenine trait.
But then again, if the issue is comforting womans about beauty... any girl with make up and a nice dress is model material. I remember i had a crush on Ygritte of Game of Thrones until someone point to me it was a boy. And she had a point, still a beautifull girl.
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I appreciate you keeping the possibility in your mind that Quinn could possibly maybe sort of care about another human being at least
I know it's not easy to think that, given how she's portrayed in the story, but all I'm trying to say is that she has her reasons for how she is. Could she do a lot of things, maybe most things, differently and better? For sure. Could she treat Riona better? Undoubtedly. But she has her reasons for how she is, that's all I want to open people to the possibility of. I genuinely think that people are missing out on a great character and a large part of the story by taking Quinn at face value and not delving deeper into her motivations. You're not one of those people, I know, and it's certainly reasonable to adopt the viewpoint you do on Quinn after taking everything into account. At the end of the day, I view Quinn as a sympathetic figure due to her upbringing, and I contextualize her actions on that basis. You could just as easily view Quinn as a malevolent figure and be just as correct. But I want people to look at both viewpoints on her and decide which they agree with more, not have a knee-jerk reaction to some of things she does and form a shallow view.Anyway, with all that out of the way, let me address some of your specific points in case you're interested
As far as Quinn lying to Tommy about Riona smoking for free, I don't really buy it. Your reasoning is compelling, but Quinn has treated Tommy brutally before, and I don't see why she'd start making excuses to him. Her not wanting Tommy to corroborate the story with Riona could just as easily come from a place of caring, as Quinn doesn't want Tommy to confront Riona and is taking the business side of things solely upon herself. I also don't really buy the argument that Quinn could have simply brought up the fact that Riona contributed to the hole they're in to motivate her instead of slapping her if it were true that Riona was in fact smoking for free. We really don't know the circumstances here, it could easily be true that Riona's smoking for free contributed to the hole, but that Quinn also contributed to it in her own way and so she didn't really have the moral high-ground to bring that up as an argument.
That brings us to Quinn's 'motivational' style differences. Quinn slaps Riona but not Mona in similar situations. Now, there are a lot of things I could say here, and like you say, YMMV on them. I could make the argument, which I believe, that Quinn and Riona are almost as close as sisters, and sisters sometimes slap each other. It really does happen, and those slaps don't come from a place of malice, and they don't even come from being at a stage where only a slap would work, sometimes - between very close people, siblings and such - it's just used as a wakeup call. I'm much more likely to punch my brother if he's doing some dumb shit than I am to punch a stranger doing the same dumb shit, and the intent behind my doing so would be drastically different as well. Now, whether you subscribe to that line of reasoning really does depend on how you're contextualizing Quinn's actions. If you subscribe to what I wrote in my initial post, it makes sense why she would slap Riona - in short, to wake her up, remind her of what's at stake, and to ultimately protect her. If you don't subscribe to it, it was just a mean and unnecessary thing to do, and maybe she even regretted it and that's why she didn't do the same to Mona, but we don't know. I don't think we can fairly look at the slap in a vacuum and point to it as a sign that Quinn doesn't care about Riona though, there are plenty of reasons why she might have done that, some of them reasonable and some of them not.
The wider circumstances of Quinn's and Riona's relationship are not known. We don't know the first thing about when it started, how it started, what their specific connections are to the drugs, etc. So, like you say, it's difficult to know if Quinn has genuine affection for Riona as a person because of the situation they find themselves in. Quinn's back is up against the wall, and we only have the barest idea why, so it's really difficult to know what's reasonable and what's not, where the line is in their friendship and what would cross it. Quinn is pimping Riona out. Quinn is slapping her. Quinn is talking down to her and ignoring her. And Riona is taking it all. Does that hint at how dire the situation really is? Or is Riona just extremely submissive, or does she have a battered mindset, or is she reliant upon Quinn for her drug connections, or does she think or know that Quinn has her best interests in mind? If circumstances were different, would they even be as close as they are? No one knows that except for DPC.
The one other thing you said that I'd heavily push back on, in fairness, is that from my point of view, I don't think Quinn's first and foremost concern is herself. Again, we don't know the circumstances of Quinn and Riona's relationship, for all we know Quinn could have been protecting Riona for a long time, or she could have been abusing and ignoring her for a long time, but we don't know. From what we've seen, though, I genuinely believe that Quinn is trying to protect herself and Riona in a very harsh way because of her upbringing as I outlined in my prior post. Remember, Quinn is pimping herself out as well, you think she wants to do that? I don't think she does. I don't think she wants to pimp out her girls to older men, I think something is happening with Burke that's forcing her into that situation. And as far as we know, she's protected herself and Riona from having to do that, although I suspect Quinn has probably had to do some sexual favors for Burke or someone else in the past, but I hope I'm wrong. As near as I can tell, Quinn cares primarily about herself, yes, and Riona. I don't think Quinn would ever truly betray or hurt Riona, in fact I somehow suspect a lot of things she's doing to keep afloat is connected to protecting Riona from the fallout with the drugs and prostitution. Not to cast Quinn in too much of a benevolent light - obviously Quinn is looking out for number 1, and she does treat Riona like shit, but it's to keep both of them safe, not just herself. And that dynamic between Quinn and Riona is why I believe that Riona is going to be the target of the big 'burning house' moment of this game - everyone in-game, and out of the game, likes Riona, and Riona being hurt would completely crush Quinn and make her doubt whether what she's doing is worth it. I hope I'm wrong about that as well.
You should know better than to reply to me though bro cuz you know I can only write in essay form
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Wait, what? Ygritte was not a boy. The actress and character are both biologically female. That's why it was considered a breaking of Jon Snow's vows to fool around with her (because when you take The Black you forsake all women). Harrington married her and they've a natural child together.
Something, somewhere, must have gotten lost in translation.
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The comment was a joke, it meant that she look like a boy. After all we all saw her naked and she is defenetely not a boy. But her face has tipical masculine features.
You are right, it is counter-intuitive which makes it weird that people would adopt it as their standard even going so far as to paint their faces to match the standard they have set for themselves. I don't believe in right or wrong either, everybody thinks they are the good guy I just have a hard to believing that someone who wouldn't take the time to correct behaviors that are obviously hurting someone, behaviors that they learned from that someone, and instead that someone chooses to prophet off of the aforementioned maladaptive behaviors... well I really don't think that person cares very much about people and I don't know why people choose to listen to them. That's just my two-cents, have a nice day.
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I'll give you that, she's got a mannish jaw and chin. I don't find her particularly appealing physically, but I enjoyed the character.
Almost the opposite problem I had with most of the Swyper girls, now that I think about it. Variety of them were pretty nice looking, but really didn't like them as characters. I'll leave the goblin alone for now, I've been harping on that one a bit much the last couple days.
