VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[TimHawk]

If you respond to an extreme position with an extreme one, you are not doing yourself a good service.

are all sluts at BR? is this really your answer to the fact that Jill has friendship only with a teacher? and that she makes friends on the fly with the only girl (who would also answer to the generic identikit of slut... but in the positive sense) towards whom she knows the only boy she has ever been interested in has feelings?

BADIk is an extremely light story, with no particular clockwork mechanism that makes people cry out for a miracle, where almost every situation is handled according to emotional outbursts that justify any outcome (they all run away for the least believable reasons ..)

but there is only one point on which I don't agree with you at all: the fact that there is this extreme attention to detail, DPC takes great care in creating "verisimilitude" especially in the dialogues, where he tries to take into account everything that happened, but then blatantly ignores certain situations, which would have their own importance, but would complicate his work.

so we have Chad's shoes in Troy's room (how many times did it happen to you to leave your shoes at the house of a girl with whom you had a clandestine relationship? did you come back barefoot?), and at the same time Josy is punished by her parents for having dinner with a boy (if Mc stays it makes sense, otherwise not at all. or do you want to tell me that Josy's beloved father is more bigoted than Maya's father?) and many other intersections that for simplicity DPC has decided simply not to handle

BADIK is an exceptional entertainment, which is light years from the average of the games of this genre (mainly because of the very low average), and probably will also have a positive effetot as an example on other productions. but it is a soap opera, a telenovelas, not the Murder on the Orient Express

If you judge the artistic value of something before its even halfway complete, you are not doing yourself a service.

We have a daughter, whos mother either due to sickness or drug consumation is so far gone, that she doesnt recognise her own daughter anymore.

We have a daughter, who is so controlled by her religious father, that she retreats more and more into her own shell, risking her relationship.

We have a boy, who lost his mother during childbirth, and recently connected with her via a diary that she left behind.

We have a boy, who doesnt know how to cope with beeing born into a rich and powerfull family and the expectations that come with it.

We have a boy, who never managed to make sense of his parents splitting up, so now hes loud, volatile, excessively uses drugs and sex to escape something he just doesnt understand.

We have a neglected Wife, whos husband only cares about money and the power that comes with it.

We have a boy, who is terrified how his friends and family will react to the fact that he is gay.

And on and on and on. Now if all of that is soap opera level to you, fine - I dont know what country you come from, but in the US, if you could adress the entire population and ask who has or had similiar expiriences, a LOT of hands would be raised.

Does that make it a masterpiece just yet ? No, because we dont know how any of these life stories resolve, but there are most definitely a lot of foundations in place that could make it one. And thats how any work of art thats less than 50% complete should be viewed. Imagine Merry and Pippin beeing capture by the Uruk hai and everything ends there, nobody would call it a masterpiece.

Your nitpicking about josy parents/chads shoes ( dude wtf is wrong with you ??? ) is the same as nitpicking where the horse all of the sudden came from, when Gandalf reunited with Legolas, Gimlie and Aragorn and he whisteled as if thats the normal thing to do. Art can never be a true representation of realitiy, because it lacks the passage of time. There will always be flaws, and in something like BAD with ... what ? 20-30-40 hours of playtime there are probably dozens, but that doesnt make it less good or a "soap opera" ( like ... seriously ??? )

Now is BAD a pr0n game masterpiece ? HELL DOUBLE YEAH !!! Best anything else can hope for is 4th place, because BAD occupies 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

 

[felicemastronzo]

If you judge the artistic value of something before its even halfway complete, you are not doing yourself a service.

We have a daughter, whos mother either due to sickness or drug consumation is so far gone, that she doesnt recognise her own daughter anymore.

We have a daughter, who is so controlled by her religious father, that she retreats more and more into her own shell, risking her relationship.

We have a boy, who lost his mother during childbirth, and recently connected with her via a diary that she left behind.

We have a boy, who doesnt know how to cope with beeing born into a rich and powerfull family and the expectations that come with it.

We have a boy, who never managed to make sense of his parents splitting up, so now hes loud, volatile, excessively uses drugs and sex to escape something he just doesnt understand.

We have a neglected Wife, whos husband only cares about money and the power that comes with it.

We have a boy, who is terrified how his friends and family will react to the fact that he is gay.

And on and on and on. Now if all of that is soap opera level to you, fine - I dont know what country you come from, but in the US, if you could adress the entire population and ask who has or had similiar expiriences, a LOT of hands would be raised.

Does that make it a masterpiece just yet ? No, because we dont know how any of these life stories resolve, but there are most definitely a lot of foundations in place that could make it one. And thats how any work of art thats less than 50% complete should be viewed. Imagine Merry and Pippin beeing capture by the Uruk hai and everything ends there, nobody would call it a masterpiece.

Your nitpicking about josy parents/chads shoes ( dude wtf is wrong with you ??? ) is the same as nitpicking where the horse all of the sudden came from, when Gandalf reunited with Legolas, Gimlie and Aragorn and he whisteled as if thats the normal thing to do. Art can never be a true representation of realitiy, because it lacks the passage of time. There will always be flaws, and in something like BAD with ... what ? 20-30-40 hours of playtime there are probably dozens, but that doesnt make it less good or a "soap opera" ( like ... seriously ??? )

Now is BAD a pr0n game masterpiece ? HELL DOUBLE YEAH !!! Best anything else can hope for is 4th place, because BAD occupies 1st, 2nd and 3rd.

I don't know what you're talking about

we are halfway through the game so an extremely positive opinion (yours) has the same value as a less extremely positive one (mine), we all have time to change our minds from here to the end

the one about Josy and Chad were just two examples, to make 2 or make 10 I don't think it changes anything, the one about Chad was actually positive, the foresight of DPC to put a clue for what would be discovered only later, that was a joke in parenthesis

there are, and I have given many other examples of scenes and aspect that I like and I have never hidden the indisputable merits of BADIK

and however the telenovelas, soap operas, talk about experiences common to all mankind, coming out of gay, betrayals, unexpected returns etc etc, pressing the accelerator on the emotional side.

 

[TimHawk]

I don't know what you're talking about

we are halfway through the game so an extremely positive opinion (yours) has the same value as a less extremely positive one (mine), we all have time to change our minds from here to the end

the one about Josy and Chad were just two examples, to make 2 or make 10 I don't think it changes anything, the one about Chad was actually positive, the foresight of DPC to put a clue for what would be discovered only later, that was a joke in parenthesis

there are, and I have given many other examples of scenes and aspect that I like and I have never hidden the indisputable merits of BADIK

and however the telenovelas, soap operas, talk about experiences common to all mankind, coming out of gay, betrayals, unexpected returns etc etc, pressing the accelerator on the emotional side.

Its not about positive or negative, you can like it or hate it, that wont change my enjoyment, just as mine doesnt change yours.

Its about the foundations beeing there, and you comparing it to "Murder on the Orient Express", read it again stop at 40-50% and THEN make a comparison. DPC adresses problems that are very common in society, granted I can only speak for US society and my problem with your prior post is that you sum that up as "soap opera", because to me that would make life a soap opera.

Now if these problems dont exist in your country, and in that case I can understand how it would feel too fantastical, kudos to you and your country, but I can assure you they are as real as it gets here.

 

[mindern]

And on and on and on. Now if all of that is soap opera level to you, fine - I dont know what country you come from, but in the US, if you could adress the entire population and ask who has or had similiar expiriences, a LOT of hands would be raised.

But how many hands would be raised if you asked the entire population if they, or someone close to them, had experienced everything on your list? Christ, even a fraction of those things.

In isolation many of the things you listed aren’t that unusual but everyone and their mother experiencing some sort of melodrama in the space of two weeks? That’s soap opera territory.

Is there anyone in this story who’s just happily going about their life devoid of drama? Magnar?

Yeah things in this story happen to real people. Nobody on earth is having all the things going on in this story happen directly to them or someone they know… all at the same time in the space of a month.

 

[Pepooooooooo]

Im a simple man. Just wanna see boobs of every girl in game

 

[Crystaldom]

Yeah but that's the Alabama of Europe.

Mississippi is worse than Alabama. Marriage age without parental consent is 15.

 

[Zirael Q]

I'm not a Christian and I actually prefer non-harem games. It gets boring after a while when you get to fuck every girl in the game with little to no work involved. I really think a harem end would kill this game.
Not even sure if a harem ending would be possible with how the characters are written. At most, there's a few throuples plausible. Camila and Riona, Josy and Maya, Bella and Jill...

There's no way a harem ending as one of the options. The closest it'll get is Maya and Josy path, speaking for 5 LIs.
Sage's whole issue was cheating and loyalty.
Jill openly said until a relationship, it's a free country. But after getting in a relationship, no way for another person.
Bella shuts MC down after finding out Cathy's pants.
Maya and Josy also said no strings attached until relationship level.
Even Quinn shows a level of jealousy, so no way for a harem to happen. Asking for it is pretty pointless lol

 

[darji]

There's no way a harem ending as one of the options. The closest it'll get is Maya and Josy path, speaking for 5 LIs.
Sage's whole issue was cheating and loyalty.
Jill openly said until a relationship, it's a free country. But after getting in a relationship, no way for another person.
Bella shuts MC down after finding out Cathy's pants.
Maya and Josy also said no strings attached until relationship level.
Even Quinn shows a level of jealousy, so no way for a harem to happen. Asking for it is pretty pointless lol

If you go like this.

Jill and Bella is still possible because of the conversation they had in bed. He teased some secual relationship between these two there

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

If you respond to an extreme position with an extreme one, you are not doing yourself a good service.

are all sluts at BR? is this really your answer to the fact that Jill has friendship only with a teacher? and that she makes friends on the fly with the only girl (who would also answer to the generic identikit of slut... but in the positive sense) towards whom she knows the only boy she has ever been interested in has feelings?

BADIk is an extremely light story, with no particular clockwork mechanism that makes people cry out for a miracle, where almost every situation is handled according to emotional outbursts that justify any outcome (they all run away for the least believable reasons ..)

but there is only one point on which I don't agree with you at all: the fact that there is this extreme attention to detail, DPC takes great care in creating "verisimilitude" especially in the dialogues, where he tries to take into account everything that happened, but then blatantly ignores certain situations, which would have their own importance, but would complicate his work.

so we have Chad's shoes in Troy's room (how many times did it happen to you to leave your shoes at the house of a girl with whom you had a clandestine relationship? did you come back barefoot?), and at the same time Josy is punished by her parents for having dinner with a boy (if Mc stays it makes sense, otherwise not at all. or do you want to tell me that Josy's beloved father is more bigoted than Maya's father?) and many other intersections that for simplicity DPC has decided simply not to handle

BADIK is an exceptional entertainment, which is light years from the average of the games of this genre (mainly because of the very low average), and probably will also have a positive effect as an example on other productions. but it is a soap opera, a telenovelas, not the Murder on the Orient Express

Just wow man ! I agree with everything you said.

There's no way a harem ending as one of the options. The closest it'll get is Maya and Josy path, speaking for 5 LIs.
Sage's whole issue was cheating and loyalty.
Jill openly said until a relationship, it's a free country. But after getting in a relationship, no way for another person.
Bella shuts MC down after finding out Cathy's pants.
Maya and Josy also said no strings attached until relationship level.
Even Quinn shows a level of jealousy, so no way for a harem to happen. Asking for it is pretty pointless lol

Agreed ! I am 100% sure there will be no mc, jose and maya. Mc have to choose between them.

 

[IkarusWestwood]

Is there anyone in this story who’s just happily going about their life devoid of drama? Magnar?

Virgin depressed Maya vs Chad, happy and smart Magnar

 

[TimHawk]

But how many hands would be raised if you asked the entire population if they, or someone close to them, had experienced everything on your list? Christ, even a fraction of those things.

In isolation many of the things you listed aren’t that unusual but everyone and their mother experiencing some sort of melodrama in the space of two weeks? That’s soap opera territory.

Is there anyone in this story who’s just happily going about their life devoid of drama? Magnar?

Yeah things in this story happen to real people. Nobody on earth is having all the things going on in this story happen directly to them or someone they know… and again, all at the same time in the space of a month.

Well first its an College with xxxx students, so if everyone but one would be living his life "devoid of drama" I would call that unrealistic. Now does all of those different things happening in the vicinity of one person make it less realistic ? Sure, but isnt that exactly where art has life beat ? That you can go the extra mile and hope to shine a light on as many problems in society as you think you can handle from an artist point of view ?

Again, the key is how all those storylines will be resolved, is DPC going to wave the magic wand and they resolve because they have to since the game is over, or will each of them be resolved in a way that makes sense, meaning some bad, some good and some just wont. Thats where the cheese is, where art comes in, where you can ask "was it all just a cheap pull on the heartstrings?" or did the resolve he had in mind reach a level where you can say "Wow, didnt see that one coming, hats off".

 

[Ilhares]

and at the same time Josy is punished by her parents for having dinner with a boy (if Mc stays it makes sense, otherwise not at all.

Now, I'm no rocket surgeon, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't punished for having dinner with a boy. The much more probable outcome is that it was because she basically got caught fuckin' in her parents bed.

Which, all things being equal, is not unreasonable.

 

[noirjazz]

thinking of replaying the game before the update. calling it the cum before the storm.

 

[AchedCroissant]

jose

 

[inevitableandinfinity8]

common don't be angry with daddy , Daddy has lost of beauty in his harem so some times he forget some spellings. Let it go and sit on my leg.

 

[jackofshadows]

Again, the key is how all those storylines will be resolved, is DPC going to wave the magic wand and they resolve because they have to since the game is over, or will each of them be resolved in a way that makes sense, meaning some bad, some good and some just wont. Thats where the cheese is, where art comes in, where you can ask "was it all just a cheap pull on the heartstrings?" or did the resolve he had in mind reach a level where you can say "Wow, didnt see that one coming, hats off".

Not really. The execution matter at all stages. In this game things are mostly just happen. The characters are so entwined it's insane. The plot's full of coincidents and contrivances, there's dozens of examples. It's not about which themes are examined, it's about how. And yes, it's a soap opera level, because the focus is on emotional output, not on getting things uh, straight and sensible.

So no, one doesn't have to wait until the story fully unfolds in order to evaluate the level of writing here. Not to mention that DPC himself isn't hiding his sources of inspirations, which are American Pie and movies alike. Very lowbrow pieces of entertainment except that there's nothing wrong in enjoying those as long as you're aware of again, the level of it.

It's all comes to standarts and to cultural baggage in general. But it's fair to say that by porn games standarts, BaDIK's writing is relatively competent.

 

[CHAD-MAN]

Good lord, I had to repeat episode 6 and 7 due to save bugs. Lets just say that in these two episodes alone there'e enough content and play time to shame 98% of the games in these foruns, holy hell these are LONG!

 

[Naxer]

Just before this conversation gets deleted.

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Actually that’s Spain. Jesus.

Nope, that map it's totally wrong. It's actually sixteen here in Spain according to our Penal Code.

 

[TimHawk]

Not really. The execution matter at all stages. In this game things are mostly just happen. The characters are so entwined it's insane. The plot's full of coincidents and contrivances, there's dozens of examples. It's not about which themes are examined, it's about how. And yes, it's a soap opera level, because the focus is on emotional output, not on getting things uh, straight and sensible.

So no, one doesn't have to wait until the story fully unfolds in order to evaluate the level of writing here. Not to mention that DPC himself isn't hiding his sources of inspirations, which are American Pie and movies alike. Very lowbrow pieces of entertainment except that there's nothing wrong in enjoying those as long as you're aware of again, the level of it.

It's all comes to standarts and to cultural baggage in general. But it's fair to say that by porn games standarts, BaDIK's writing is relatively competent.

Not really. DPC is not telling a story from the birth of a person to their death, he choose to start his story at the College level and people from 18-22 DO have baggage. I dont know if you went or not, but that kinda drama - Home, Parents, Grade pressure, love, drugs - not that rare. As said before that it all happens within the orbit of the MC, obviously unrealistic, but DPC has only that scope to tell his story.

And YES, the progression and resolution of those story lines is the key to judging the work as a whole, since they are told either in backflashes or the interaction of the MC with other characters, we dont live them first hand, we are beeing told.

It's before halftime, and I would totally agree that he has opened many ( maybe even too many ) storylines with a lot of different characters, but if he can pull of a believeable progression and solution then he obviously has a good grasp on his talents and his limits. Now I dont know if he can or not, Im eager to find out, but untill we have all the backstory and see the progression any judgement is premature.

 

[Sorrow_Harvester]

there has been 2 that I am aware of
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Sage , Jill and Bella are the top 3 both here and patreon
none of the other girls even comes close

Well deserved for them.