VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[felicemastronzo]

I generally agree, though I think the MC is also upset simply because he had rationalized away dating Josy despite her "boyfriend," then suddenly found himself facing the consequences of that betrayal himself. It makes sense he'd feel foolish and angry about his behavior in retrospect and, being a teenager, lashed out at Josy rather than admit to his own mistakes.

It definitely works best if the MC pursued both M&J and was somewhat restrained with the side girls, but there's enough blame and strong emotions rolled into the situation to justify at least some drama. It would have been better if the drama could be dialed back in some circumstances (or at least better tailored to the exact situation the MC is in), but the general concept makes sense.

I don't understand why on such a linear plot point you have to build so much...

at the end we find out that MC was running away from himself and his toxic masculinity...

there is no misunderstanding or reworking, the girls lie (Maya) and omit (Josy) until the last moment (theoretically MC can do it in a small way, but it is not decisive in anything) and for this reason MC is faced with a shock (that surely the 19 years old F95 users would have managed in a troupe from the beginning, there are no doubts about this, threesome at every coffee break) and runs away because he does not know what to do (allowing the night not to end in tragedy)

the fact that eventually Mc admits to having overreacted doesn't change anything about what happened. so much so that when they clarify it is Maya (Josy basically understands almost nothing of what is happening and always a couple of steps back) who apologizes to MC and not the opposite, it is Maya and Josy who ask for another chance, MC accepts the apology and forgives everything (always and in any case)

 

[varage]

It's not based on Status or Affinity. Josy will express regrets if the MC turned down the chance to sleep with her in Episode 2. If she and the MC had sex, she has no regrets despite the interruption.
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If you sleep with Josy and be a dick you get the same message it is a dik/ Chick/Neutral message flag. Just so you know went back through to make sure. So i still stand behind my reasoning that Maya is more interested in you than you then Jose. Though it makes sense as you've technically spent more time with Maya than Josy.
Made sure to click every +Josy choices as well as Maya and slept with both.
She also wont regret it if you don't sleep with her but are neutral/chick
The flag you're talking about happens during the night when you're choosing who to sleep with if accept thrupple if you sleep with one and not the other. Maya sex scene true Josy sex scene true. You will be allowed to push beds together and sleep together all three of you that night. If one true one false, you will not get this option and will be forced to choose one or the other.
Note: did not check both false but i assume it would be same as False/true separate beds. But it could be they are on equal footing and will allow beds to be pushed together.

 

[Heycock]

the girls lie (Maya) and omit (Josy) until the last moment (theoretically MC can do it in a small way, but it is not decisive in anything)

Ahhhh, when the MC says the same lie it's "small" and "not decisive in anything". That's funny, isn it.


Anyway. For me there are two ways to see this is: either is a plot hole (and a significant one, not like the loan plot) or either the MC act like an hypocrite. Here is my argument:



So, we know for this that the MC is also angry with Josy and blame her for alegdely a fault against him. But why? Even if, by some wierd reason Maya is at fault, why Josy?.




Josy defense is on point, she didn't lied about it and there is no difference if it's a boy or a girl, so why the MC is still angry with her? Let's see his answer.



So, first, the MC acknowledge the gender is not the issue. Great. But wtf is what comes next, "the difference is that it's Maya". Why? Because you are also fucking her? Josy should had tell the MC that her girlfriend is Maya, so the MC would knew that he is also fucking Josy's girl friend while she was fucking Josy? That's so selfish from Josy really...

Plus Josy didn't even knew that the MC was with Maya, so is not only absurdly egocentric but also simple absurdity. At this point the MC has nothign against Josy. Absolutely nothing.

Of couse the MC, so "honest" as usually didn't clarify this, avoid tell Josy (or Maya) that actually he was fucking both of them, and change his argument to:



Now he goes back, he sayds Josy should have told she had a girlfriend, not a boyfriend, even after admiting it wouldn't make a difference and adds another point, she should have told the college her girlfriend was going. He could also have added other useful information like the color heair, tits size, college career and room number to make him knew he eventually was going to fuck her.

And it's not like all thoose information would make a difference. If you don't care that your booty call was in a formal relationship... why would you care if she is actually going to the same college?.

Anyway the guy who is having sex with 19 girls has to know the identity of the guy he is being cuck, otherwise he is being cheat. Bravo.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

Choosing now is probably not the only time it will come up, at least.

Well, the official walkthrough says that this choice will reject the other relationships and only stay friends with them. "Other" will reject all the main girls.

 

[Heycock]

And btw, thoose who still has an argument against Josy for "omiting", I would love to see in wich lines the MC exactly explain to Josy or Maya from the start, that he is dating Jill, or Bella, or Sage, or Quinn, etc.

 

[varage]

Ahhhh, when the MC says the same lie it's "small" and "not decisive in anything". That's funny, isn it.


Anyway. For me there are two ways to see this is: either is a plot hole (and a significant one, not like the loan plot) or either the MC act like an hypocrite. Here is my argument:

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So, we know for this that the MC is also angry with Josy and blame her for alegdely a fault against him. But why? Even if, by some wierd reason Maya is at fault, why Josy?.

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Josy defense is on point, she didn't lied about it and there is no difference if it's a boy or a girl, so why the MC is still angry with her? Let's see his answer.

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So, first, the MC acknowledge the gender is not the issue. Great. But wtf is what comes next, "the difference is that it's Maya". Why? Because you are also fucking her? Josy should had tell the MC that her girlfriend is Maya, so the MC would knew that he is also fucking Josy's girl friend while she was fucking Josy? That's so selfish from Josy really...

Plus Josy didn't even knew that the MC was with Maya, so is not only absurdly egocentric but also simple absurdity. At this point the MC has nothign against Josy. Absolutely nothing.

Of couse the MC, so "honest" as usually didn't clarify this, avoid tell Josy (or Maya) that actually he was fucking both of them, and change his argument to:

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Now he goes back, he sayds Josy should have told she had a girlfriend, not a boyfriend, even after admiting it wouldn't make a difference and adds another point, she should have told the college her girlfriend was going. He could also have added other useful information like the color heair, tits size, college career and room number to make him knew he eventually was going to fuck her.

And it's not like all thoose information would make a difference. If you don't care that your booty call was in a formal relationship... why would you care if she is actually going to the same college?.

Anyway the guy who is having sex with 19 girls has to know the identity of the guy he is being cuck, otherwise he is being cheat. Bravo.

The deference is it's Maya his best friend even more than Derrek at this point yes. Entirely his fault but he was angry and confused he didn't think it could happen. Had it been Sally who cares had it been Derek same issue as if it was Maya. If you are on friendly terms with him. The fact that the person was at B&R and she was trying to get in for them is kinda a huge omission in my honest opinion.
But I think what he does in this moment is in fact truly Hypocritical you are right. But, when he cheated he thought he would never meet the guy/girl that's why on the phone he's like. "He goes to B&R? What if i know him?!" Had she not said I wanna talk about this in person he probably could have worked through the issue with a more level head.

 

[felicemastronzo]

when I spoke of optional and non-decisive omissions on the part of MC, I was clearly referring to when we can decide whether or not to tell Maya about the date with Josy.

that MC/we does or doesn't do it doesn't change anything, so what happens is not decided by that choice

I don't see what the relationship with the other LIs (which are optional) has to do with it, apart from causing confusion.

The deference is it's Maya his best friend even more than Derrek at this point yes. Entirely his fault but he was angry and confused he didn't think it could happen. Had it been Sally who cares had it been Derek same issue as if it was Maya. If you are on friendly terms with him. The fact that the person was at B&R and she was trying to get in for them is kinda a huge omission in my honest opinion.
But I think what he does in this moment is in fact truly Hypocritical you are right. But, when he cheated he thought he would never meet the guy/girl that's why on the phone he's like. "He goes to B&R? What if i know him?!" Had she not said I wanna talk about this in person he probably could have worked through the issue with a more level head.

Josy in the bathroom makes an incredible mess, instead of calming the situation he increases the tension.

First she escapes to the bathroom, then when Mc reaches her she wants to distribute the blame for her betrayal (she is the only one who felt she was in a relationship and in spite of this she oragnized and had sex with another person, so she is the only one who literally betrays Maya) with MC, then the unfortunate choice of words

why exactly did she call MC into the bathroom? other than continuing to go behind Maya's back....

 

[varage]

And btw, thoose who still has an argument against Josy for "omiting", I would love to see in wich lines the MC exactly explain to Josy or Maya from the start, that he is dating Jill, or Bella, or Sage, or Quinn, etc.

No one Defends MC as a saint though none of that is MC's fault all the blame for Jill Bella Sage and Quinn lies on you the player. As you can ignore their flags. If the MC was not being controlled given his past history with relationships. He would have most likely just ended up in the thrupple all his own as he was a considerably stand up guy before a bunch of porn junkies took control of him.

 

[varage]

And btw, thoose who still has an argument against Josy for "omiting", I would love to see in wich lines the MC exactly explain to Josy or Maya from the start, that he is dating Jill, or Bella, or Sage, or Quinn, etc.

And also he admits he's dating other girls during the picknick date. When they talk about strings being attached Jose and Maya already had their strings firmly linked together. MC was not in a relationship with either of them in the non sexual term closest being Maya because he thought she was single at the time.
Josy he knew he couldn't date until she "settled" her boyfriend issues.

 

[vogelbeest]

And it's not like all thoose information would make a difference.

Knowing you're involved with 2 women who are both involved with another girl and knowing josy's other attends B&R narrows possibilities down radically when you're afraid you might know "the other" allready....

 

[varage]

Knowing you're involved with 2 women who are both involved with another girl and knowing josy's other attends B&R narrows possibilities down radically when you're afraid you might know "the other" allready....

Right on the money on that one the not knowing she WAS GOING to B&R for her "Boyfriend" Is a huge fucking omission.

 

[Heycock]

The deference is it's Maya his best friend even more than Derrek at this point yes. Entirely his fault but he was angry and confused he didn't think it could happen. Had it been Sally who cares had it been Derek same issue as if it was Maya. If you are on friendly terms with him. The fact that the person was at B&R and she was trying to get in for them is kinda a huge omission in my honest opinion.
But I think what he does in this moment is in fact truly Hypocritical you are right. But, when he cheated he thought he would never meet the guy/girl that's why on the phone he's like. "He goes to B&R? What if i know him?!" Had she not said I wanna talk about this in person he probably could have worked through the issue with a more level head.

Ok, so, it seems there is some rule for wich, to a guy with the lack of morals to have sex with a person comitted in a relationship you have to specify that they actually would go to the same college. Where is the logic there, it completely goes beyond me, but ok. It's not like any of those things ever stoped the MC, but fine.

Knowing you're involved with 2 women who are both involved with another girl and knowing josy's other attends B&R narrows possibilities down radically when you're afraid you might know "the other" allready....

And how would Josy knew he was being cucked by the MC? As far as Josy knew, the MC didn't knew Maya was a lesbian, as far as she knew, the MC didn't even knew Maya. How on earth could she had knew that there was the chance that the MC knew Maya, and how on earth is his fault that the MC was actually fucking her girlfriend?.

 

[varage]

when I spoke of optional and non-decisive omissions on the part of MC, I was clearly referring to when we can decide whether or not to tell Maya about the date with Josy.

that MC/we does or doesn't do it doesn't change anything, so what happens is not decided by that choice

I don't see what the relationship with the other LIs (which are optional) has to do with it, apart from causing confusion.


Josy in the bathroom makes an incredible mess, instead of calming the situation he increases the tension.

First she escapes to the bathroom, then when Mc reaches her she wants to distribute the blame for her betrayal (she is the only one who felt she was in a relationship and in spite of this she oragnized and had sex with another person, so she is the only one who literally betrays Maya) with MC, then the unfortunate choice of words

why exactly did she call MC into the bathroom? other than continuing to go behind Maya's back....

(she is the only one who felt she was in a relationship and in spite of this she organized and had sex with another person, so she is the only one who literally betrays Maya) Yes but say you had a best friend. You find out he's with her but never meet you go into a bar one night and see a nice piece of ass and hit her up end up one night standing her. Then your friend wants you to meet his girl only to find out his girl is the one-night stand chick. Would you feel guilty? I would but I guess that's just me.

 

[vogelbeest]

Ok, so, it seems there is some rule for wich, to a guy with the lack of morals to have sex with a person comitted in a relationship you have to specify that they actually would go to the same college. Where is the logic there, it completely goes beyond me, but ok. It's not like any of those things ever stoped the MC, but fine.

Josy told MC her partner is in B&R, she knows Maya is there so she knows MC might know her, she even knows theyre in the same year.

 

[Heycock]

No one Defends MC as a saint though none of that is MC's fault all the blame for Jill Bella Sage and Quinn lies on you the player. As you can ignore their flags. If the MC was not being controlled given his past history with relationships. He would have most likely just ended up in the thrupple all his own as he was a considerably stand up guy before a bunch of porn junkies took control of him.

So, you have one specific route in wich the MC doesn't omit anything (kinda couse he omit a lot of things, like, "hey Josy while i scream at you I forgot to mention than i am having sex with your girlfriend", kinda of stuf).

But is not like the MC tell them in any other posible route that he is having sex with girls they know. Yet we have to asume that the MC is not at fault couse one specific route, and he would not do what he did in every single route.

 

[Heycock]

Josy told MC her partner is in B&R, she knows Maya is there so she knows MC might know her, she even knows theyre in the same year.

Wait you are saying that Josy actually told the MC that her partner went to B&R? So then it's make even less sense, Josy is completely inocent even by this wierd standards. It's smple a plothole.

 

[sixart]

I would love to see in wich lines the MC exactly explain to Josy or Maya from the start, that he is dating Jill, or Bella, or Sage, or Quinn, etc.

Since it's been decided that they have a " no strings attached " situation it's hard for me to grasp why this ^ comes back on and on again... since they have their agreement nobody " needs " to report shit to the other(s)... though they can ( and most certainly will ) feel shit about it...

So, first, the MC acknowledge the gender is not the issue. Great. But wtf is what comes next, "the difference is that it's Maya". Why?

Because now all of a sudden he didn't just " lost " a former flame but also his current crush... this hurt him... so he's being irrational ( or should I say he's being human ? ) It's a typical " All the world is against me " moment for him... what would anybody expect ?! Being cool ? This dude ?

Let's just say he has much to learn...

why exactly did she call MC into the bathroom?

Coz she is also young and naive and tries to save this situation... as we know the end is she fails...

all the blame for Jill Bella Sage and Quinn lies on you the player

FINALLY ! Someone else said it too... Was kindda worried there for a sec that this universal truth ( which begins as you start this game ) will be lost for good for mankind...

 

[varage]

Ok, so, it seems there is some rule for wich, to a guy with the lack of morals to have sex with a person committed in a relationship you have to specify that they actually would go to the same college. Where is the logic there, it completely goes beyond me, but ok. It's not like any of those things ever stopped the MC, but fine.

You're also forgetting the fact that MC is not this guy you're painting him to be. HE HAS ISSUES WITH BEING WITH A GIRL IN A RELATIONSHIP. Case for this study is as follows he finds out about her "boyfriend", and he says farewell. Jose says Goodbye. He was doing something entirely out of character for himself because he was crushing hard on Josy. Hense waiting up in bed at night thinking about it.
Someone who doesn't care would sleep like a fucking baby laughing at "boyfriend". We can throw Bella into the mix here. But Bella's love isn't in the picture anymore which the MC finds out before anything beyond a kiss happens. "No, I won't kiss you I don't want to force you."

And how would Josy knew he was being cucked by the MC? As far as Josy knew, the MC didn't knew Maya was a lesbian, as far as she knew, the MC didn't even knew Maya. How on earth could she had knew that there was the chance that the MC knew Maya, and how on earth is his fault that the MC was actually fucking her girlfriend?.

She didn't know but we aren't victim blaming here we are still seemingly Discussing WHY MC acted like MC. And he was far from the right on this one. But he wasn't entirely wrong either. A. Josy knew he was going to B&R. B. Josy knew the only reason she wanted into B&R was her "Boyfriend" it wasn't like the best choice for her field of study ETC. She knew why she was going there. C. She wasn't upfront with this information.

 

[felicemastronzo]

(she is the only one who felt she was in a relationship and in spite of this she organized and had sex with another person, so she is the only one who literally betrays Maya) Yes but say you had a best friend. You find out he's with her but never meet you go into a bar one night and see a nice piece of ass and hit her up end up one night standing her. Then your friend wants you to meet his girl only to find out his girl is the one-night stand chick. Would you feel guilty? I would but I guess that's just me.

I also agree with you, this could also be part of MC's confusion at that moment (who then in the end can also nobly decide to step aside and we all know how Josy will react to an MC who decides to remain friends with the two girls...)

but I still don't understand Josy's position (other than of course blaming it completely on the turmoil of the moment).
everything she says only precipitates the situation, and the fact that she wants to share the blame for her betrayal of Maya with MC (when in the story every time MC tried to get away from her she resisted) as well as inappropriate makes no sense, fidelity is up to those in a relationship, not others

 

[felicemastronzo]

Coz she is also young and naive and tries to save this situation... as we know the end is she fails...

after I wrote it, on this I agree with you

only it seems to me really a suicidal plan, there was not one chance in a million that it could have a positive outcome.

If it had been in reality I would have told you that she calls him only to avoid that he talks to Maya and that her betrayal comes out.