VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Lostanddamned]

Have you *actually played* this game?

Jill's decided she has to go along with Tybalt and never see you again. If you don't go with her to hear this in person, you miss the chance to change her mind. Stop spinning a pile of rubbish about her being vindictive.

Isn't it though? You made plans with friends and she shows up and now you have to ditch everyone and everything for her or you are like a horrible person and not the right person for her. Even if you don't go along with her and go and help Sage (which any normal person that sticks by his words would do), she still does the dates with Tybalt. Hell, she finally manages to tell him no way after she realizes MC won't show up and she has to do everything by herself, which quite frankly she brought upon herself by shoehorning herself into every situation even if she's not needed.

dalli_x said it correctly yesterday - Jill and Tybalt really deserve each other.

 

[Warscared]

It is inevitable the revolution has begun

i do not know how to inform you but... starving uninformed illiterate and unorganized peasants make for poor revolutionaries!

when there is a new leadership it´s not the mob that replaces the monarch but the court that uses the pleb to replace the monarch!

your revolution is a joke and unless you get the monarch`s court on your side you will fall flat on your face and be hang for treason!

It really starts to resemble sometimes to Urkel... View attachment 1662355

yes, yes you did, and what are you gonna do to remedy the situation?

That's some severe mother-in-law complex Ofcourse you're not gonna talk about your mother when on that romantic date, but showing absolutely no interest in the others family and friends is just as much a no-go as bringing it up on the wrong moments. I see no problem with Maya being interested in MC's mother, it's MC that wants to know more of his mother to begin with so it's basicly being interested in MC's life.

in this situation not really! if he had had a relationship with his mother she would be very interested so she could learn how to control the MC`s inner world but without it... she is just snake charming the MC pungi, a kind of let me pretend i care about you and your struggles so i can get the d later and your bank card pin number in 2-3 months time and even perhaps a weeding ring in 1 or 2 years time if you prove yourself worthy and out earn me spending our co owned bank account credit card!

My hatred for Jill is caused by the fact that she is a rich capitalist bitch.
Mayа as a feminist should have a positive attitude to socialist ideas because the fucking founder of feminism was a socialist. But Jill. She is extremely patronizing and arrogant towards MС. Just remember their dialogues.
1) Jill says that sleeping on a soft bed is nice, but it doesn't matter to her - a typical example of capitalist hypocrisy. If she had been offered to sleep on a mattress, she would have refused with contempt.
2) For MС decides that it is important to him that MС is a dirty and sweaty servant under her command. This is the side of thinking of the capitalist princess.
3) She is offended if she was rejected for the sake of Sage, who, unlike her, decided to become the leader of a women's commune and not enjoy the benefits and influence of her parents.
4) She constantly emphasizes her superiority. She reminds MC every time that she is rich and he is poor. It's incredibly annoying. She invites him to a sushi dinner where she and her friends laugh at his lack of education and poverty . This capitalist scum!

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dude i think you have issues to adress!

Also Sage might be red around the carpets but her father is the most capitalist and authoritarian figure (not that you commies resent such characters unless they are on the "wrong" side...) in game! her mother might be a feminist but she is just as much as bourgeois capitalist as the rest of the preps!

what i mean is that your loved one is also a spoiled rich brat and to boot it all up if you pick her it means Tybalt is your brother in law! ffs TYBALT IS YOUR BROTHER IN LAW, DEAL WITH IT! Tybalt the pinnacle of capitalist bourgeois buffoonery!

You're refusing to be friends with someone just because they won't date you? Jill's not the bitch in that scenario.

yes but its his lack of practicality, a rich naive person wants to be your friend.. dude that`s like 200k in the bank!

the amount of connections you can get out of it! the investment opportunities by being privy to future Royce investments where you can buy a bunch of stocks 2 days before they announce a takeover!

need a bank loan to start a company or buy an house? who is your co signer? Jill Royce? right this way sir, you sure we can not provide you with a lower interest rate or a bigger loan?

instead by refusing Jill offer his co signer is probably gonna be Patrick... tell me how that works out!

Mother talk = Atacama desert.

i am sure you mean Gobi because she will not just be dry, but also cold!

I don't see the point of friendship with girls at all. Especially with those who refused you. What for? For what?

for her friends? if you make her feel guilty she will talk you up to her friends to try and make emends! just call her out as a cock teaser frigid bitch for having stood you up and leading you up and all her single friends (and half of her dating or married friends who are on the slutty side of things) are yours for the take!

Because women make good friends. Some of my best friends are women. I always tell my daughter to never date a guy who doesn't have at least a couple female friends. It's a big fucking red flag.

herm sire, the red flag is that you are setting up your daughter to be just another side bitch for an asshole!

or for disappointment, dudes who have more then 2 female friends are either gay or fucking 1 of the 2 on the side!

i had lots of female friends in the past...

 

[Heyesey]

Isn't it though? You made plans with friends and she shows up and now you have to ditch everyone and everything for her or you are like a horrible person and not the right person for her

So that's a no then.

 

[Lostanddamned]

So that's a no then.

Dude you are cutting off like half the quote so you can show yourself that you are right, because somehow in your head Jill can do no wrong. If you don't want to debate, don't reply to me, lol.

So that's then

 

[mindern]

We could reduce about half of the discussion on here to “well that isn’t what I would have done if I was (insert LI) so the games poorly written and the character is clearly stupid and should be hated”.

I swear some people won’t be happy until DPC deletes the game and just sends everyone a copy of madlibs he drew some tits on.

 

[sixart]

yes, yes you did, and what are you gonna do to remedy the situation?

Just what the hell do you expect here as an answer... from ME or anyone else for that matter... Rather start up some new BS theory... even that makes more sense than questions like this

 

[BeingADikDik]

Re: Jill/Sage date vs. caring for sick friend

DPC made a mistake with this setup, IMO. Caring for sick Sage shouldn't negatively impact the Jill route unless there is a strong narrative reason in future seasons. (That seems unlikely, as both Sage and Jill are LI's.)

Instead, there should have been a pre-emptive major choice: accept Tommy's olive branch to go out to the bar with fake ID or turn him down to go on the picnic date with Jill. Then, if MC finds out that Sage is sick, there could be a second choice to turn down Tommy (Sage path or others path) or to reschedule the picnic date to the next day (Jill path but keeps Sage path open).

edit to add: In fact, by rescheduling the Jill picnic to the following day for such a selfless reason, this should HELP convince Jill that MC is worth fighting for - unless MC is fuck buddies with Sage ... then, Jill might be suspicious.

 

[Deleted member 3994251]

Can you please explain to me, what makes this game so popular?

 

[Lostanddamned]

Can you please explain to me, what makes this game so popular?

Interesting storyline that constantly keeps us guessing, clearly defined characters, plenty of content each episode, replay value of the game due to the game's affinity system, attention to the details because DPC likes to drop in subtle hints here and there which leads us to debate the unsolved mysteries in the game.

 

[BeingADikDik]

Can you please explain to me, what makes this game so popular?

Caters to crab fetish crowd.

 

[redweiler2]

Hi guys Can you give me a save file on Full DIK path with bella
and another Full DIK path with Jill?
thank you really <3

 

[PashafromRussia]

Re: Jill/Sage date vs. caring for sick friend

DPC made a mistake with this setup, IMO. Caring for sick Sage shouldn't negatively impact the Jill route unless there is a strong narrative reason in future seasons. (That seems unlikely, as both Sage and Jill are LI's.)

Instead, there should have been a pre-emptive major choice: accept Tommy's olive branch to go out to the bar with fake ID or turn him down to go on the picnic date with Jill. Then, if MC finds out that Sage is sick, there could be a second choice to turn down Tommy (Sage path or others path) or to reschedule the picnic date to the next day (Jill path but keeps Sage path open).

edit to add: In fact, by rescheduling the Jill picnic to the following day for such a selfless reason, this should HELP convince Jill that MC is worth fighting for - unless MC is fuck buddies with Sage ... then, Jill might be suspicious.

I really hope Pink somehow explains this strange choice. The only thing that comes to my mind is that Sage and Jill, if not enemies, then clearly treat each other badly. Jill could somehow find out that this sick friend is Sage and be offended by MC. Maybe if we reject Jill for Sage, it will somehow explain it.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

It doesn't excuse how out of place and stupid it is. It makes Jill look like the biggest cunt in the world.

I just checked myself and not going on the birthday date only makes her decide that she's not ready to be dating. She tells you she's sorry and that you can only be friends, I wouldn't call that being a "cunt". To get her to yell at you, you have to do more to make her feel betrayed and that she can't trust you.

 

[Crusader of Romance]

I really hope Pink somehow explains this strange choice. The only thing that comes to my mind is that Sage and Jill, if not enemies, then clearly treat each other badly. Jill could somehow find out that this sick friend is Sage and be offended by MC. Maybe if we reject Jill for Sage, it will somehow explain it.

The birthday date was what made her realize she had strong feelings towards the MC as well as realize that he had strong feelings for her. It was an important moment. The problem is that the game doesn't show us that the date is that important and sort of tricks many into choosing to go to Sage because of that.

 

[gamingdevil800]

Hi guys Can you give me a save file on Full DIK path with bella
and another Full DIK path with Jill?

Full DIK Jill path doesn't exist

 

[mr.AwesomeGameTaste]

Can you please explain to me, what makes this game so popular?

Interesting storyline that constantly keeps us guessing, clearly defined characters, plenty of content each episode, replay value of the game due to the game's affinity system, attention to the details because DPC likes to drop in subtle hints here and there which leads us to debate the unsolved mysteries in the game.

and hot chicks.mostly hot chicks.

 

[BeingADikDik]

The birthday date was what made her realize she had strong feelings towards the MC as well as realize that he had strong feelings for her. It was an important moment. The problem is that the game doesn't show us that the date is that important and sort of tricks many into choosing to go to Sage because of that.

For me, the issue is that if I want to play as a Massive CHICK MC, then the best LI at the moment is Sage path. Every other path has at least one problematic decision inconsistent with this type of MC:

Jill - MC must abandon sick friend (Massive DIK move)
Josy and Maya - MC must be willing to be with Josy despite her being in a relationship in Ch. 2 (Massive DIK move) ... Maya side of the relationship never makes MC do something DIK'ish though unless you think helping her with the HOT scavenger hunt is DIK'ish (I don't think so)
Bella - LI is a teacher (obviously inappropriate on its face), need to go behind Jill's back, etc.
Sage - as long as you don't be fuck buddies, then no issues!

This is antithetical to the original premise sold in Ch. 1 that Sage would be the LI for the DIK path.

From a purely thematic standpoint, this obviously feels wrong and is a primary reason why I'd advocate changing the picnic scenario so as to maintain Jill as a path that forces no DIK decisions upon the MC.

 

[ename144]

Have you *actually played* this game?

Jill's decided she has to go along with Tybalt and never see you again. If you don't go with her to hear this in person, you miss the chance to change her mind. Stop spinning a pile of rubbish about her being vindictive.

As others have said, the problem is that Jill is making an unusually big request here (going on an unannounced date for reasons she refuses to disclose to the MC), yet she literally expects the MC to drop everything and say yes immediately. If he points out that he already has plans, Jill takes it as a personal affront - muttering to herself that the MC doesn't act like he cares about her when he tries to spend time with her later.

I agree she isn't a raging asshole as some have claimed, but she is completely out of line to treat the MC this way. Realistically, it makes it clear that any relationship with her is likely doomed because it's only a matter of time until the MC is once again unable to dote on her hand and foot. I'm certain that's not what DPC was going for, but that's what he wound up writing.

In short, it's ridiculous for Jill to treat the MC more harshly when he agrees to tend to a sick friend than when he fucks that friend behind her boyfriend's back, yet here we are.

Can you please explain to me, what makes this game so popular?

Here's the last time I tried to answer that question at length.

tl;dr The game has high production values, oodles of content, and tries hard to make us invested in the characters and their stories. Plus there's lots of sex, of course.

EDIT:

For me, the issue is that if I want to play as a Massive CHICK MC, then the best LI at the moment is Sage path. Every other path has at least one problematic decision inconsistent with this type of MC:

Jill - MC must abandon sick friend (Massive DIK move)
Josy and Maya - MC must be willing to be with Josy despite her being in a relationship in Ch. 2 (Massive DIK move) ... Maya side of the relationship never makes MC do something DIK'ish though unless you think helping her with the HOT scavenger hunt is DIK'ish (I don't think so)
Bella - LI is a teacher (obviously inappropriate on its face), need to go behind Jill's back, etc.
Sage - as long as you don't be fuck buddies, then no issues!

Technically, you don't have to be with Josy to be on the M/J path. You do have to go back for the date, but that's unavoidable and doesn't seem any more objectionable than some of the MC's early interactions with Sage or Isabella. But you can avoid buying Josy gifts or having sex with her in the early episodes and still get the the throuple (as long as you help Maya with her scavenger hunt).

It's possible that will have longer term implications, I suppose, but for now it works.

 

[BeingADikDik]

As others have said, the problem is that Jill is making an unusually big request here (going on an unannounced date for reasons she refuses to disclose to the MC), yet she literally expects the MC to drop everything and say yes immediately. If he points out that he already has plans, Jill takes it as a personal affront - muttering to herself that the MC doesn't act like he cares about her when he tries to spend time with her later.

I agree she isn't a raging asshole as some have claimed, but she is completely out of line to treat the MC this way. Realistically, it makes it clear that any relationship with her is likely doomed because it's only a matter of time until the MC is once again unable to dote on her hand and foot. I'm certain that's not what DPC was going for, but that's what he wound up writing.

In short, it's ridiculous for Jill to treat the MC more harshly when he agrees to tend to a sick friend than when he fucks that friend behind her boyfriend's back, yet here we are.



Here's the last time I tried to answer that question at length.

tl;dr The game has high production values, oodles of content, and tries hard to make us invested in the characters and their stories. Plus there's lots of sex, of course.

EDIT:

Technically, you don't have to be with Josy to be on the M/J path. You do have to go back for the date, but that's unavoidable and doesn't seem any more objectionable than some of the MC's early interactions with Sage or Isabella. But you can avoid buying Josy gifts or having sex with her in the early episodes and still get the the throuple (as long as you help Maya with her scavenger hunt).

It's possible that will have longer term implications, I suppose, but for now it works.

I think it could be reasonably argued that going on the date with Josy while knowing she is in a relationship, and being willing to have sex with Maya outside of a committed relationship, are not consistent with Massive CHICK thought processes. In such a case, J&M path would be a stretch while Sage non-fuck buddy path remains consistently appropriate for the Massive CHICK.

 

[ename144]

I think it could be reasonably argued that going on the date with Josy while knowing she is in a relationship, and being willing to have sex with Maya outside of a committed relationship, are not consistent with Massive CHICK thought processes. In such a case, J&M path would be a stretch while Sage non-fuck buddy path remains consistently appropriate for the Massive CHICK.

Seems like a tough argument since the Massive CHICK Sage run also goes on a date with Josy while knowing she is in a relationship. He has sex with Sage outside of a committed relationship, too.