goldenrule91

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I dunno.

There are no rules set in stone.

While we have no idea what is in store for Zoey, I don’t want to accept that a path with Quinn is simply not an option.

All the side girls other than Quinn don’t really have a relationship with mc. Even Jade’s deal is just to get back at her husband and also to help her feel good. It’s not like she has strong feelings for the mc.

But with Quinn it’s different.

She’s growing to like the mc more and more, and other than the main LI’s she the only face that’s shown at the end of episode 8 after the big choice.

Quinn is the first character that the mc gets sexual with (not counting Cammy since Quinn is controlling that scene).

And even other characters are questioning what is going on with the two (Sage hints that Quinn likes the mc when he stays with the HOTs), and everyone comments on the mc/Quinn Rooster post at the HOTs party.

I’ll be surprised if there ends up being no Quinn ending.
Quinn will get an ending, as you say there's too much development with her to brush her aside or deny us any kind of closure about her and the MC, it just remains to be seen how that's going to work without her having an actual 'path'. I'll remain confused as to why DPC didn't make the Others path the Quinn path until we get a good idea what that path even entails, 'Others' obviously implies girls other than the 'main' girls, but what will the Others ending look like? Is it going to splinter into a bunch of different choices for mini-endings depending on which Other girl you choose, i.e. Quinn/Lily/Nicole, or is it going to be a big generic ending where the MC buys the strip club with secret inheritance money and just bangs every girl?

The inclusion of Zoey into the mix, after the path locks, also throws a wrench into things as well. I've read plenty of plausible and cool theories here about how Zoey is gonna spice things up with the MC and whatever girl(s) he chooses, and I'm of the opinion that she is gonna be an LI, but how will she get her ending? She doesn't have a path. Will she be another Other girl, or will you be able to choose her instead of your main LI and splinter off into her ending? That kind of defeats the purpose of the path lock, but what other choice is there? Either the paths with the main girls are locked and everyone else goes into the Others path for a small slice of the rest of the game, or the paths aren't actually locked and the MC can swerve and choose another girl (Quinn/Zoey most likely) as the 'main story' progresses.

My fear is that the Others path will fail to live up to the potential of the characters it involves and becomes a mess of unconnected stories and sex scenes with a generic ending. Characters like Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Jade, Rio, each could have their own dedicated games about them, let alone not even having their own endings in this one. How are you going to do Quinn's story and for example Nicole's story justice in a single path without their own dedicated endings? That would be hard enough, but you're also juggling 4 main LI paths with 5 girls that each have to have their own developments and an equal amount of time or your fans are gonna get pissy, then for good measure you throw in the Zoey wild card for each path which is like some kind of blue-haired narrative grenade :KEK:

I pray DPC has the biggest and best storyboard in the history of erotic games to handle all this, because ever since the paths got 'locked', I've worried about the logistics. The math doesn't add up to a satisfying ending for some of our girls. But again, I'm very confident Quinn will get an ending because of her popularity and the fact that DPC enjoys writing her, but the quality of the endings we get are still up in the air.
 

shazba

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Quinn will get an ending, as you say there's too much development with her to brush her aside or deny us any kind of closure about her and the MC, it just remains to be seen how that's going to work without her having an actual 'path'. I'll remain confused as to why DPC didn't make the Others path the Quinn path until we get a good idea what that path even entails, 'Others' obviously implies girls other than the 'main' girls, but what will the Others ending look like? Is it going to splinter into a bunch of different choices for mini-endings depending on which Other girl you choose, i.e. Quinn/Lily/Nicole, or is it going to be a big generic ending where the MC buys the strip club with secret inheritance money and just bangs every girl?

The inclusion of Zoey into the mix, after the path locks, also throws a wrench into things as well. I've read plenty of plausible and cool theories here about how Zoey is gonna spice things up with the MC and whatever girl(s) he chooses, and I'm of the opinion that she is gonna be an LI, but how will she get her ending? She doesn't have a path. Will she be another Other girl, or will you be able to choose her instead of your main LI and splinter off into her ending? That kind of defeats the purpose of the path lock, but what other choice is there? Either the paths with the main girls are locked and everyone else goes into the Others path for a small slice of the rest of the game, or the paths aren't actually locked and the MC can swerve and choose another girl (Quinn/Zoey most likely) as the 'main story' progresses.

My fear is that the Others path will fail to live up to the potential of the characters it involves and becomes a mess of unconnected stories and sex scenes with a generic ending. Characters like Quinn, Lily, Nicole, Jade, Rio, each could have their own dedicated games about them, let alone not even having their own endings in this one. How are you going to do Quinn's story and for example Nicole's story justice in a single path without their own dedicated endings? That would be hard enough, but you're also juggling 4 main LI paths with 5 girls that each have to have their own developments and an equal amount of time or your fans are gonna get pissy, then for good measure you throw in the Zoey wild card for each path which is like some kind of blue-haired narrative grenade :KEK:

I pray DPC has the biggest and best storyboard in the history of erotic games to handle all this, because ever since the paths got 'locked', I've worried about the logistics. The math doesn't add up to a satisfying ending for some of our girls. But again, I'm very confident Quinn will get an ending because of her popularity and the fact that DPC enjoys writing her, but the quality of the endings we get are still up in the air.
I don’t imagine there will be heaps of stories based on the girl you choose; I’m more inclined to believe there’s going to be a main storyline that progresses no matter who the mc is with, but splinter scenes will occur (and select renders will be used) based on the mc’s girl.

This is similar to how the game is already progressing. If the mc was on Josy’s path at the end of Episode 7, they were holding hands as they entered the gym, if not on her path, they just walked in together. Also while in the gym in episode 8, things got a lot more spicy if the mc was on her path.

Meeting Nicole at the bar went the same way. The story progressed the same but was a lot more fun if the mc was more than friends with Nicole.

We’ll get more info about each main character regardless of whether the mc is on their path, but more intimate renders will be selectively used when appropriate.

The mc gets dragged into M&J, as well as Jill and Sage’s, problems regardless of his relationship with them, but the scenes just evolve a little depending on paths (I can’t think of any Bella drama that the mc can get imbroiled into if he’s not on her path).

To me this formula works well, it means DPC doesn’t have to create 5 different stories (one for each LI), that you only get to witness if you’re on their path.

Probably the biggest example contrary to this was when the mc had to choose where to stay after leaving Maya. Notice nothing that significantly divergent has happened like that since. DPC may have learnt his lesson from that.

For the record, the behind the scenes terminology used when the mc made his big decision at the end of E8 was “branch” (JillBranch etc.). :unsure:
 

dalli_x

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I don’t imagine there will be heaps of stories based on the girl you choose; I’m more inclined to believe there’s going to be a main storyline that progresses no matter who the mc is with, but splinter scenes will occur (and select renders will be used) based on the mc’s girl.

This is similar to how the game is already progressing. If the mc was on Josy’s path at the end of Episode 7, they were holding hands as they entered the gym, if not on her path, they just walked in together. Also while in the gym in episode 8, things got a lot more spicy if the mc was on her path.

Meeting Nicole at the bar went the same way. The story progressed the same but was a lot more fun if the mc was more than friends with Nicole.

We’ll get more info about each main character regardless of whether the mc is on their path, but more intimate renders will be selectively used when appropriate.

The mc gets dragged into M&J, as well as Jill and Sage’s, problems regardless of his relationship with them, but the scenes just evolve a little depending on paths (I can’t think of any Bella drama that the mc can get imbroiled into if he’s not on her path).

To me this formula works well, it means DPC doesn’t have to create 5 different stories (one for each LI), that you only get to witness if you’re on their path.

Probably the biggest example contrary to this was when the mc had to choose where to stay after leaving Maya. Notice nothing that significantly divergent has happened like that since. DPC may have learnt his lesson from that.

For the record, the behind the scenes terminology used when the mc made his big decision at the end of E8 was “branch” (JillBranch etc.). :unsure:
DPC has written it himself. There is a main story and some side stories. The side stories will cross the main story.

In my opinion, the main story is that the MC finds one and/or his family.

Side stories could be:
  1. Josy/Maya: Throuple in connection with Tuitionslösung.
  2. Sage: Chad and her emotional balance.
  3. Jill: Getting elbows and perceiving people for who they are.
  4. Isabella: Overcoming depression.
  5. Quinn: Drugs and prostitution.
 

Meushi

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I'm well aware of the walkthroughs, but what does being a "main girl" mean? We tend to assume it means they are the ones with an endgame, but that's just a guess on our part. Episode 8 was the first time we saw the main girls do something mechanically that someone like Quinn couldn't (though she comes close): the MC can choose them at the crossroad... DPC's walkthroughs frequently omit important information about future choices, after all.
Not just the walkthrough (that was just an easily accessible visual example), all DPCs communications, from the pre-release thread to now, even in his polls etc. He's made a hard distinction between main girls and side girls throughout development.

E8 wasn't the first time there were material differences in game between main & side girls. The MGs are still the only girls who have RP points for instance. Quinn & all the other SGs miss out, presumably because there's no planned 'relationship' with them. Perhaps more importantly, the MC is heavily involved with the MGs personal lives, regardless of whether he's pursuing them romantically or not. While it's possible for the MC to have next to nothing to do with Quinn & the other SGs should you choose. The difference has seemed pretty stark to me throughout the game.
My point is that it's entirely possible the crossroad is the reason the main girls are "main." In which case it could be that by the time we reach Season 4 there will be a new selection of girls that are possible end choices; if so, there's every reason to think girls like Quinn and Zoey could be on that list. I'm not saying it's guaranteed to happen, just that it's a logical possibility we shouldn't overlook simply because Quinn isn't listed as a "main" girl.
Anything is possible, the question is what's likely. This scenario seems like pure conjecture to me.
To be fair, the the Episode 5 conversation that is clearly intended to be sexually suggestive. IMHO, trying that hard to be suggestive indicates DPC is trying to mislead us and the eventual explanation will be asexual (at least between Jill and Bella). But that take is just as theoretical as saying the two had an affair. I think the evidence supports it, but we can't prove either at this time.
I strongly disagree, I didn't find it sexually suggestive at all? The only titillating element was they were half naked. The bulk of the conversation was Bella getting pissed at Jill dredging up things she doesn't want to talk about, and Jill getting annoyed at Bella being rude & dismissive. Not one thing in that conversation suggested there had been any sexual intimacy between them to me?
I don’t want to accept that a path with Quinn is simply not an option... I’ll be surprised if there ends up being no Quinn ending.
'Others' obviously implies girls other than the 'main' girls, but what will the Others ending look like? Is it going to splinter into a bunch of different choices for mini-endings depending on which Other girl you choose, i.e. Quinn/Lily/Nicole, or is it going to be a big generic ending where the MC buys the strip club with secret inheritance money and just bangs every girl?
Where as I would be pleasantly surprised if Quinn did get a full-blown main girl ending. I've enjoyed her gradually letting her guard down if the MC plays his cards right. Quinn is a great character, I just don't think she'll get an ending on par with the main girls.

I expect the finale to be an extension of the E8 endings. Lots of detail if you've chosen an MG to build a relationship with, less so if you went with others. Others will still have an endgame no doubt, it just won't revolve around an individual romantic relationship, more a recap of your many & varied flings, with Quinn featuring more prominently if you managed to bond with her.

DPC claims to have all the main plot points mapped out, I think it extremely unlikely anyone else will be joining the main girl roster at this point.

Of course my expectations could be completely wrong, but to me at least this seems a more plausible scenario based on what DPC has said & done with these characters so far.
the only threesome I want is Sage/Jade/MC.
The incest rules are about banging your own mom or sister, not about banging a mom and her adopted daughter.
he got away with rather overt Jade/MC m/s sexy time language (and Sage isn't blood daughter), so there is still hope. If Jade has a kink for her "son" then maybe she has a kink for her "daughter" too... Maybe someone esle can "daughter substitute" in for Sage. How about Sally?
Well not to crush your hopes, but adopted family members are still banned under the Patreon terms. They assess it based on the 'family dynamic'. If they addressed each other as family members (mom, sis etc.) then no bonking allowed. Obviously roleplay is different, non-family can call Jade whatever and vice versa.
Is there a way to install version 8.x without loosing the list of dialogues already seen? Since you have to download the whole game again each episode, you loose the ability to do re-run and skip only the dialogues already seen.
No, you can't avoid it, DPC messes with his old code too much which screws up Ren'Pys dialogue tracking. The only way to make it less painful is to go into options > dialogue and turn on skip unseen dialogue. That will let you skip through stuff you've seen, which Ren'Py lost track of. You need to be careful though, you can easily end up rushing through stuff you really hadn't seen before.
 

znar25

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Neil when he sees MC arrive at the door with Bella: :oops:
Jill would be interesting too because we can see her reaction to how poor people live. She might regret her blasé comments about her rich lifestyle. Anyway, you are sure to get some fantastic sympathy sex out of it. it would be great if DPC wrote in a situation where the LI must spend the night at MC's home after dinner and she has to sleep in his bedroom. (y)
Bella and MC in the tree house? :p
 
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yrandom95

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Anti-war sentiments are strong in Russia. Ordinary Russians themselves are shocked by Putin and the fact that he wants to unleash a nuclear war. I went to an anti-war meeting, the police arrested many, but I was lucky :p .
Slowing down the Russian Army and sanctions have greatly undermined the spirit of the elite that many oligarchs oppose the war. But I hope that Putin will be overthrown by his inner circle.
No war!
Sage is life!
Sage is love!
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If i could i would have given this guy two likes.
Both for his anti-war sentiment and his very good taste.
 

Pendrell

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Not just the walkthrough (that was just an easily accessible visual example), all DPCs communications, from the pre-release thread to now, even in his polls etc. He's made a hard distinction between main girls and side girls throughout development.

E8 wasn't the first time there were material differences in game between main & side girls. The MGs are still the only girls who have RP points for instance. Quinn & all the other SGs miss out, presumably because there's no planned 'relationship' with them. Perhaps more importantly, the MC is heavily involved with the MGs personal lives, regardless of whether he's pursuing them romantically or not. While it's possible for the MC to have next to nothing to do with Quinn & the other SGs should you choose. The difference has seemed pretty stark to me throughout the game.
Whilst you're correct in defining the technical distinction between MGs and SGs (the former being involved with MC in the main story regardless of romantic choices, the latter not), I don't agree with your conclusions about what this means for relationships and endings with the various girls, particularly for Quinn.

It seems to me that apart from in the guide and polls, far from maintaining a "hard distinction", DPC has deliberately and repeatedly blurred the line between the two categories when it comes to the game/story content itself. Quinn, for example, has had her own prologue, her own hangout, her own path, and her own animation at the end of episode 8. These are all features she has in common with MGs, not SGs, and yet a strict interpretation of the official guide would have us believe she is categorically more similar to Cathy, someone we've barely seen for two episodes. In fact, as a result of all this, it's not uncommon for new players to say they assumed Quinn was a Main Girl, based on their experience of the game. This happens so frequently that at a certain point I think you have to accept those players are responding to something real in the game, in terms of the way Quinn's character has been purposefully developed.

It's reasonable to ask why DPC has done things in this way. For me, it's because he's interested in developing her as a romantic option with a distinct path. As I've argued before, the biggest hint about DPC's intentions in this regard is the animation at the end of episode 8. He didn't have to do that, he could've just as easily merged Quinn's route completely into the Others path, but for some reason he chose to single Quinn out, emphasising her as a love interest, not an antagonist. That animation looks back to a moment in episode 8, but I think it is also a statement of intent for how she's likely to be used as a character in future episodes, if on her route.

Just a quick word on your reference to RP: I think I'm right in saying that DPC has spoken about moving away from this as being a big determiner of relationships. There are a few examples of where it matters, in very minor ways, in the first 8 episodes, but mostly it doesn't. So I don't think we can be confident that lack of RP means no ending or relationship with a SG.

The MG/SG distinction is a real thing, as you noted, and it has an impact in the game. Bella will always cut the MC's hair and Jill will always try to protect MC by dating Tybalt, regardless of whether the MC is dating either girl. Quinn doesn't work in the same way; so far she's largely an antagonist in the main story and only involved with the MC if he's on her path. But in my view, this is a comment about the way the main story is structured, it doesn't have anything to say about the viability of the romantic options. Quinn is not an MG (so far), but she is definitely a LI. I think DPC has made this pretty clear. I don't think she's therefore limited in where her route can go just because she doesn't have the MG label.
 
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znar25

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Any ideas on the part where Cathy is showing up at a new office? How do we think that will play out in the plot? Any ideas? Why show it if it isn't important to the future?
 
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