VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[vogelbeest]

Family.
My dad once told me that a family is more then blood relations.
Being related doesn't necessarily make you family.
Family are the people that support you in your choices.
Family will help you grow.
Family doesn't give up on you in times of need.
Family are the ones who love you for you...
Whoever that may be.
Even if you lose your family...
...or if your family loses you.
Don't stop.
Find new ones to love and somewhere else to call home.
That's me and my dad.


Now it is possible Neil was talking about himself not being blood related to Tremolo, but any hint to Tremolo finding blood relatives elsewhere can't be found in this text. (seriously.... it's all about being family without being related by blood)
It's pretty much saying "family are the ones who love you, where ever you are".

Now maybe it's a hint Neil will die, but he could have used past tense there and didn't! So it's possible it just means not being with him (losing his family) since MC is in college and that would make the Dik's and MC's friends his "new family" and the Dik mansion his "new home".

Now in most incest games being blood related is a central theme. But BaDik does not and will not have incest... ever!
So with no need for blood ties in any possible LI, there's really not much reason to have blood relations unless it's for a reason that would make sense for the story. BaDik currently only has the money and diary from Lynette (inheritance) that needed these blood relations. SO when you start looking for more blood relations there needs to be something of importance to the story to validate the relation.

What would it matter if John Boy or Rusty or even Tommy are related to MC? Another inheritance? They're not dead! And more importantly : you aren't related by law, that much is sure, so no inheritance either way....

 

[PashafromRussia]

nd if that was the case, why would Neil run off with Lynette is she was pregnant with someone else's kid?

And if she got pregnant to some other dude after she eloped with Neil, how fucking shit would that be? That would just make her a cunt.

We can't believe Neil, because he gets confused in his own stories about how he met Lynette. This may or may not be a joke, of course. How did it happen that for so long Neil did not tell about his mother? Her character? MС was surprised by her behavior when he read her diary.
Why didn't he tell her what movies she loved, music she listens to, and so on. Where she's buried and who the hell are her parents.

There is no mystery about it. Of course, this can be explained by the fact that Neil loved her too much, but damn it, it's very suspicious that Neil didn't like MС's birthdays. Unless MС is not his own son. No matter how much he loves MС, he is not his son, but only a reminder of Lynette.

 

[sixart]

* buncha interesting stuff about family *

The best thing to do is to play it like the big time ballerz and call EVERYONE FAM !!! Absolutely no incest yet still this whole fiasco stays in the family + it puts this silly relation questions into bed

 

[PashafromRussia]

What would it matter if John Boy or Rusty or even Tommy are related to MC? Another inheritance? They're not dead! And more importantly : you aren't related by law, that much is sure, so no inheritance either way....

Perhaps someone unexpected will become a relative of MС, like this prep whose grandmother died and he became depressed (!!!!). Coincidence, right?
The grandmother of that prep died in episode 5, and the MC received the diary already in episode 6.

 

[vogelbeest]

There is no mystery about it. Of course, this can be explained by the fact that Neil loved her too much, but damn it, it's very suspicious that Neil didn't like MС's birthdays. Unless MС is not his own son. No matter how much he loves MС, he is not his son, but only a reminder of Lynette.

How is that suspicious? Lynette died giving birth to MC, so it's a painful reminder on each of his sons birthdays.
I didn't wrote the whole intro but it's literally said there.

 

[felicemastronzo]

We can't believe Neil, because he gets confused in his own stories about how he met Lynette. This may or may not be a joke, of course. How did it happen that for so long Neil did not tell about his mother? Her character? MС was surprised by her behavior when he read her diary.
Why didn't he tell her what movies she loved, music she listens to, and so on. Where she's buried and who the hell are her parents.

There is no mystery about it. Of course, this can be explained by the fact that Neil loved her too much, but damn it, it's very suspicious that Neil didn't like MС's birthdays. Unless MС is not his own son. No matter how much he loves MС, he is not his son, but only a reminder of Lynette.

that is explained quite well

the day of Mc's birthday is the day Lynette died, it is a very particular situation, but it is believable that for Neil is a complicated day

 

[Kamuisaki]

Family.
My dad once told me that a family is more then blood relations.
Being related doesn't necessarily make you family.
Family are the people that support you in your choices.
Family will help you grow.
Family doesn't give up on you in times of need.
Family are the ones who love you for you...
Whoever that may be.
Even if you lose your family...
...or if your family loses you.
Don't stop.
Find new ones to love and somewhere else to call home.
That's me and my dad.

It can be just a life lesson that Neil give to MC, and doesn't mean that they aren't related.

The only other thing that is important on these theory are the fact that Neil really like condom. And while it can mean that he has another child, it's also possible that he was scared to really have impregnated someone before Lynette when he was younger.

 

[shazba]

We can't believe Neil, because he gets confused in his own stories about how he met Lynette. This may or may not be a joke, of course. How did it happen that for so long Neil did not tell about his mother? Her character? MС was surprised by her behavior when he read her diary.
Why didn't he tell her what movies she loved, music she listens to, and so on. Where she's buried and who the hell are her parents.

There is no mystery about it. Of course, this can be explained by the fact that Neil loved her too much, but damn it, it's very suspicious that Neil didn't like MС's birthdays. Unless MС is not his own son. No matter how much he loves MС, he is not his son, but only a reminder of Lynette.

I think people put too much emphasis on Neil's shitty story telling abilities. The dude doesn't have Alzheimer's, he just sucks at telling stories and has forgotten some of the minor details (from 20 years ago).

We get an example of that when he tells the mc about running off with Lynnete:

Neil: "It took her three days to run away from home and track me down."​

Neil: "No...wait...five days?"​

Neil: "Hm...maybe it was something along the lines of a week?"​

mc: "Are you seriously asking me that?"​

Neil: "No, well, it was something like that."​

Neil: "Either way...where was I?"​

Neil: "Oh yeah!"​

Neil: "She didn't want her dad's life or his money..."​

Neil: "She wanted me."​

He's not senile, it's not like he's mumbling in his soup about aliens or some shit...

Also the idea that the mc's birthdays are bittersweet for Neil is because it's both the day that his son was born and the day that his wife died. I thought that was fairly obvious.

You're forgetting one thing. Neil and Lynette had sex. After that they were separated for either 3, 5 or 7 days. During that time, Lynette was being comforted by someone else, sex occurred, and a pregnancy occurred that Lynette didn't know about. She goes back to Neil, realizes she is pregnant and Neil thinks he is the biological father of the MC. But he isn't.

I remind you that the MC had real trouble at school at the age of 15. Somehow it never came to an accusation. So someone third settled that. It is very possible that Neil found out that he is not the biological father of the MC.

The MC does not get Lynette's diary from Neil. Who sent it to the MC? Did the person who had the diary all the time also read it? It's reasonable to assume so. So if Lynette had sex and got pregnant during the time she was separated from Neil between times, there is someone in the BaDIK world who knows about everything.

I would also like to remind you that Stephen Burke looked directly at the MC on EP5. He must have known about the sprinkler and did not do anything about the MC. Not even inquired whether it was the MC. That's a little strange. Chad is punished severely because there is a fight. Derek and the MC nothing happens, although there was immense damage to property. Has someone again made sure that the MC gets off scot-free?

Why would Lynette be fucking someone else in the few days between Neil leaving and her giving up everything to be with him?

The mc got into a fight at school and nothing came of it? Big deal. How many people had charges pressed against them for getting into a fight at school? No one I ever met that's for sure.

The diary was probably left behind when she ran off with Neil. The mc's grandparents (Lynette's parents) probably sent it to him when he turned 19 (strange it wasn't 18, but whatever).

The bit with Burke was him emerging from a room after potentially having sex (or failing to have sex) with Mona. I think worrying about the mc and the sprinklers was the last thing on his mind:

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[vogelbeest]

The grandmother of that prep died in episode 5, and the MC received the diary already in episode 6.

The inheritance MC got was to be handed over before his 19th birthday, by law he was entitled to it after he reached the age of 18 but by law that means between his 18th birthday but before his 19th the inheritance needs to be handed over.
MC's grandmother might be dead for 10 years, we don't know, we only know he was entitled to it in his 18th year.
The other dead granny is not the same, that much is certain.

 

[vogelbeest]

It can be just a life lesson that Neil give to MC, and doesn't mean that they aren't related.

Yeah, i don't doubt Neil is the real father of MC, i just pointed out a conclusion that can be made from that intro. There's alot more info we get that Neil is the real father, it's just not in the intro, that's all.

 

[sixart]

You're forgetting one thing. Neil and Lynette had sex. After that they were separated for either 3, 5 or 7 days. During that time, Lynette was being comforted by someone else, sex occurred, and a pregnancy occurred that Lynette didn't know about. She goes back to Neil, realizes she is pregnant and Neil thinks he is the biological father of the MC. But he isn't.

This is good for a theory but let's say it hits... what good would that achieve storywise ? ( let's stay serious here for a sec ) ANY relation in the mix would lead into some sort of incest trouble which would buttrape DPC on Patreon and everywhere else as well... and if it's a non relevant relation then it's all a huge waste of time

I would also like to remind you that Stephen Burke looked directly at the MC on EP5. He must have known about the sprinkler and did not do anything about the MC. Not even inquired whether it was the MC. That's a little strange. Chad is punished severely because there is a fight. Derek and the MC nothing happens, although there was immense damage to property. Has someone again made sure that the MC gets off scot-free?

Again it is a good theory but could be read otherwise as well... you see the little Tosser filed a police report where he claimed that Fuckface wanted to burn down the hovel and Stephen figured since they already got an agreement he will not push this matter coz giving a false statement could backfire on their little ring with a thorough investigation

What is actually really suspicious is that the MC did not know how Neil met Lynette. If Neil loved Lynette as much as he says he did, he would tell his son that over and over again.

Not necessarily... people react on trauma very differently !

Theory
Lynette had a twin sister and Neil accidentally knocked up the wrong one.

Bestest EVER !!!

Also the idea that the mc's birthdays are bittersweet for Neil is because it's both the day that his son was born and the day that his wife died. I thought that was fairly obvious.

Plain and simple... as it should be but for some reason it isn't for everyone

 

[dalli_x]

I think people put too much emphasis on Neil's shitty story telling abilities. The dude doesn't have Alzheimer's, he just sucks at telling stories and has forgotten some of the minor details (from 20 years ago).

We get an example of that when he tells the mc about running off with Lynnete:

Neil: "It took her three days to run away from home and track me down."​

Neil: "No...wait...five days?"​

Neil: "Hm...maybe it was something along the lines of a week?"​

mc: "Are you seriously asking me that?"​

Neil: "No, well, it was something like that."​

Neil: "Either way...where was I?"​

Neil: "Oh yeah!"​

Neil: "She didn't want her dad's life or his money..."​

Neil: "She wanted me."​

He's not senile, it's not like he's mumbling in his soup about aliens or some shit...

Also the idea that the mc's birthdays are bittersweet for Neil is because it's both the day that his son was born and the day that his wife died. I thought that was fairly obvious.


Why would Lynette be fucking someone else in the few days between Neil leaving and her giving up everything to be with him?

The mc got into a fight at school and nothing came of it? Big deal. How many people had charges pressed against them for getting into a fight at school? No one I ever met that's for sure.

The diary was probably left behind when she ran off with Neil. The mc's grandparents (Lynette's parents) probably sent it to him when he turned 19 (strange it wasn't 18, but whatever).

The bit with Burke was him emerging from a room after potentially having sex (or failing to have sex) with Mona. I think worrying about the mc and the sprinklers was the last thing on his mind:

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I wrote that she was comforted by someone and then it came to sex.

That's not a big deal. It is in play that the boy's parents filed or wanted to file charges against Neil and the MC. The MC then says himself that he doesn't know why it didn't happen. Ergo, a third party must have intervened on behalf of Neil and the MC.

That may be so, since the diary came from the grandparents. But they will have read it. Ergo, they know what's in it.

And I repeat myself again. If Lynette was Neil's oh-so-great love, he would have many more and more detailed memories than he has. You don't forget how you met your first great love, and Neil certainly wouldn't have told his son that just once. The only strange thing is that the MC learns all this from his mother's diary.

Don't tell me that Neil has Alzheimer's disease. Even then he would not have forgotten it, because people with Alzheimer's remember the past better than what they heard 5 minutes ago.

 

[georsak]

Well...
Whether or not something about Mc's parentage is revealed in the diary it's at least one reason for us to have some interest and anticpation for this oterwise rather boring part of the story imho

 

[Kamuisaki]

I wrote that she was comforted by someone and then it came to sex.

That's not a big deal. It is in play that the boy's parents filed or wanted to file charges against Neil and the MC. The MC then says himself that he doesn't know why it didn't happen. Ergo, a third party must have intervened on behalf of Neil and the MC.

That may be so, since the diary came from the grandparents. But they will have read it. Ergo, they know what's in it.

And I repeat myself again. If Lynette was Neil's oh-so-great love, he would have many more and more detailed memories than he has. You don't forget how you met your first great love, and Neil certainly wouldn't have told his son that just once. The only strange thing is that the MC learns all this from his mother's diary.

Don't tell me that Neil has Alzheimer's disease. Even then he would not have forgotten it, because people with Alzheimer's remember the past better than what they heard 5 minutes ago.

Lynette isn't his first great love, but he basically considered her as his wife. Like shazba said, it was nearly 20 years ago for him, it's normal to forget some details. Also, before Neil kiss Lynette, he though it was the last time he would have seen her, so he was prepared to forget about her and forgot some of the details.

 

[shazba]

I wrote that she was comforted by someone and then it came to sex.

That's not a big deal. It is in play that the boy's parents filed or wanted to file charges against Neil and the MC. The MC then says himself that he doesn't know why it didn't happen. Ergo, a third party must have intervened on behalf of Neil and the MC.

That may be so, since the diary came from the grandparents. But they will have read it. Ergo, they know what's in it.

And I repeat myself again. If Lynette was Neil's oh-so-great love, he would have many more and more detailed memories than he has. You don't forget how you met your first great love, and Neil certainly wouldn't have told his son that just once. The only strange thing is that the MC learns all this from his mother's diary.

Don't tell me that Neil has Alzheimer's disease. Even then he would not have forgotten it, because people with Alzheimer's remember the past better than what they heard 5 minutes ago.

When the love of your life has gone and you're contemplating running away to be with them, you tend not to end up fucking other people in the short term... Maybe the mc of this story would, but most people would be focused on being with the person they love, and the logistics of finding them, not randomly fucking other people, no matter how they are consoling them:

"Don't worry babe, there'll be other fish in the sea, he was no good anyway, not like me, um, you wanna suck my dick?"​

I agree it's likely that Lynette's parents would have read the diary if they had it, but there's nothing in there that we know of yet that makes that a problem. If she ran off, it would be the first thing they would do I expect, to try to find her.

Neil has told the mc some things about Lynette, it's just that it's not vivid retelling, and not filled with the accuracies of writing it down the day it happens. Reading the mom's diary gives him her perception, not Neil's. Plus Neil is romanticising about how Lynette didn't want her father's money, she only wanted him. Neil isn't about to tell his son that Lynette initially thought he was a dickhead.

My parents were probably a little similar in this sense. My dad was a rebel and my mom was a "lady". Initially she thought he was an idiot. But guess who told me that version. Not my dad.

 

[vogelbeest]

Don't tell me that Neil has Alzheimer's disease. Even then he would not have forgotten it, because people with Alzheimer's remember the past better than what they heard 5 minutes ago.

Some people have better memories then others, i don't think Neil has a bad memory, he talks too much and forgets the punchline, that's said in the intro, so he's just one of these guys that use too many words to say too little and halfway even forget what the question was about.... A bit like an ADD kid on a diet of M&M's and cola... hyper hyper wut wut wut?

 

[dalli_x]

When the love of your life has gone and you're contemplating running away to be with them, you tend not to end up fucking other people in the short term... Maybe the mc of this story would, but most people would be focused on being with the person they love, and the logistics of finding them, not randomly fucking other people, no matter how they are consoling them:

"Don't worry babe, there'll be other fish in the sea, he was no good anyway, not like me, um, you wanna suck my dick?"​

I agree it's likely that Lynette's parents would have read the diary if they had it, but there's nothing in there that we know of yet that makes that a problem. If she ran off, it would be the first thing they would do I expect, to try to find her.

Neil has told the mc some things about Lynette, it's just that it's not vivid retelling, and not filled with the accuracies of writing it down the day it happens. Reading the mom's diary gives him her perception, not Neil's. Plus Neil is romanticising about how Lynette didn't want her father's money, she only wanted him. Neil isn't about to tell his son that Lynette initially thought he was a dickhead.

My parents were probably a little similar in this sense. My dad was a rebel and my mom was a "lady". Initially she thought he was an idiot. But guess who told me that version. Not my dad.

When you were young, you probably weren't a DIK. It's so easy to get a woman around, to fuck when you need to comfort her.

 

[EthanP.]

My theory about Neil is that he really is the father, but as mentioned in his bio, he had some legal trouble in the past. For me it's likely Lynnette's father tried to financially cripple him, and maybe even sign an NDA about never mentioning the family to the MC or anyone. That's why the diary is the best way to tell the truth to the MC without pissing off Lynette's family. I also think whoever sent the diary is trying to help out Niel and the MC. Moreover, I doubt Rusty and the MC are related. Otherwise Niel would have reacted when going to B&R as the surname is right there.

 

[georsak]

My theory about Neil is that he really is the father, but as mentioned in his bio, he had some legal trouble in the past. For me it's likely Lynnette's father tried to financially cripple him, and maybe even sign an NDA about never mentioning the family to the MC or anyone. That's why the diary is the best way to tell the truth to the MC without pissing off Lynette's family. I also think whoever sent the diary is trying to help out Niel and the MC. Moreover, I doubt Rusty and the MC are related. Otherwise Niel would have reacted when going to B&R as the surname is right there.

That's actually a very possible explanation. Although I still think that Neil probably isn't the biological dad, the NDA would explain a lot if he is. That's why I love the discussions here (most of the time... ), I would never think of that

 

[felicemastronzo]

My theory about Neil is that he really is the father, but as mentioned in his bio, he had some legal trouble in the past. For me it's likely Lynnette's father tried to financially cripple him, and maybe even sign an NDA about never mentioning the family to the MC or anyone. That's why the diary is the best way to tell the truth to the MC without pissing off Lynette's family. I also think whoever sent the diary is trying to help out Niel and the MC. Moreover, I doubt Rusty and the MC are related. Otherwise Niel would have reacted when going to B&R as the surname is right there.

mna talk about the mother's surname, which will be on the birth certificate, on the tomb that sometimes they will have gone to honor etc. ...

I doubt that one can secret it in any way

and the diary itself is Lynette's family who gave it to MC, it is unlikely that they have read it, in the end it is the diary of their dead daughter, but we can also admit that they considered it harmless, because for example they could not have foreseen that MC knew Jill and had seen that house (which he doesn't always see, but if he is in Jill's path he does)(