VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[FalconLover420]

I'm more curious on what his preferred route is, cause you know full well there's going to be people who say "this is DPC's favourite this is the proper way" despite him declaring otherwise.

Same here, it probably is going to be a fucked run knowing him LOL

I will be bookmarking this quote to use it on people trying to establish a canon route

 

[jd8097619]

It's an arrogant answer, but the painful truth is that he won't change anything, even if he has good financials. Why change anything if, despite astronomically long waits for updates, he's experiencing growth? It's a market, you know you need to change if your investors are unhappy and your stock is falling - yes, I've compared Patreon to the stock exchange many times, they're pretty similar.
It’s cynical, but take this answer as: I won’t change anything as long as everything is fine with my business.

You're assuming a lot of things here that honestly I don't think would be the case. If DPC hadn't seen "growth" in supporters maybe we'd get episodes quicker but we just likely wouldn't have seen the computational-power related improvements that the growth funded (i.e. better GPUs for better quality renders etc).

Frankly out of almost all the AVN projects on the go on this site, this one is probably the one that'd still get completed even if the patreon popped at this point. For all their faults DPC is extremely committed to their "vision" and wanting to complete it.

 

[katzenstreu]

hi huys, is there somehwere i can see the complete solution to this annoying math test? i never seem to get the same questions so i keep forget the right answers...

take a look at this.

Spoiler: math task's episode 10

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Spoiler: math task's episode 11

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[Lagunavii]

If there were other metrics on show or if they'd boasted about the pure financial metrics then sure, but saying how many patreon subscribers you have when that's the only reliable metric that exists to demonstrate that more and more people are actively supporting the game is fair play here.

Even when the numbers inevitably drop next month due to the release window passing it'll still be an upwards trend.

I think I'm just really bored of seeing the same angry posters whining endlessly year after year about "stupid simps being milked" when everything about the development of BaDIK is the opposite of that. The actual production of renders has remained consistent as seen in mpa71's BigTable, the obvious growth in quality visually is plain as day, and there's been no typical BS moves like remastering old chapters before finishing the game or sudden delays and months of radio silence to deliver episodes that are the same length/detail as prior ones but suddenly taking months longer to put together.

I don't agree with all of DPC's choices with the game (60fps animations, the rather aimless nature of the Interlude etc) but I definitely can't say that they're not clearly deeply invested in creating the best possible AVN as they see it.

No I'm not getting into the fact that he's milking it or anything like that. I'm just saying the fact when someone questioned him about people loosing faith, his response was look at my 20,000 subscribers does that look like faith loss is a bit arrogant, esp given thst number would be somewhat exagerated

There are simply better ways to answer that question that would reinforce people's faith than pulling out a humble brag like my numbers don't show declining faith in fact they are this high at the moment

 

[katzenstreu]

No I'm not getting into the fact that he's milking it or anything like that. I'm just saying the fact when someone questioned him about people loosing faith, his response was look at my 20,000 subscribers does that look like faith loss is a bit arrogant, esp given thst number would be somewhat exagerated

There are simply better ways to answer that question that would reinforce people's faith than pulling out a humble brag like my numbers don't show declining faith in fact they are this high at the moment

stupid questions deserve stupid answers, no?

 

[Lagunavii]

Same here, it probably is going to be a fucked run knowing him LOL

I will be bookmarking this quote to use it on people trying to establish a canon route

Given the game pushes you towards her anyway it'll be Jill and it'll just go to reinforce Chillout1984 and his destiny theories.

 

[Darkwen]

Well I wouldn't say I hate her the most, but in terms of the categories you suggested Josy is certainly at the bottom of the list. Sorry Darkwen, but that girl to me is a walking red flag, brings nothing but toxity to the thruple with her jealousy and selfishness...

That being said, I like that il in Episode 10 and then more so in episode 11 she discovers she is essentially a crutch to Maya's Story and has none of her own. Its nicely done albeit a bit late. But the little growth she got here I like enough to see that she at least now knows her faults, or is coming to know them and a josy/MC relationship is at least possible. I still don't think the thruple is set in stone like, but one of the members has started on a 180 in character growth to not only be at least believable them two could survive, but accepting if she is not the girl chosen. She's a lot different than the Josy who gets rejected in Ep8 now.

To me Maya the selfish one she makes everything about her

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

You're assuming a lot of things here that honestly I don't think would be the case. If DPC hadn't seen "growth" in supporters maybe we'd get episodes quicker but we just likely wouldn't have seen the computational-power related improvements that the growth funded (i.e. better GPUs for better quality renders etc).

Frankly out of almost all the AVN projects on the go on this site, this one is probably the one that'd still get completed even if the patreon popped at this point. For all their faults DPC is extremely committed to their "vision" and wanting to complete it.

What I mean is that for him to change anything in terms of development time, there would need to be serious dissatisfaction that would result in a drop in the number of patrons.
So far after the release of Ep.8, he's been on a stable plateau with small drops in the chart during the wait and jumps on releases. Only Episode 9 could make him check himself as not having lived up to the inflated expectations - his release figures were lower than the then-record-breaking Episode 8 - the party episode format is not something most players like. That is, if the majority of the audience is satisfied, there will be no changes.

 

[katzenstreu]

To me Maya the selfish one she makes everything about her

yeah, she could have sell her fish for quinn instead of crying around for 10 episodes.

 

[FalconLover420]

Audience: "Some of your patreons are growing old and the game has a longer development time than triple A games, any thoughts that can reassure them?"

DPC: I'm top 29th Patreon Creator, they come and go, but rest assured im close to 20,000 patreons supporters.

Given the game pushes you towards her anyway it'll be Jill and it'll just go to reinforce Chillout1984 and his destiny theories.

Or probably the others route

 

[jd8097619]

No I'm not getting into the fact that he's milking it or anything like that. I'm just saying the fact when someone questioned him about people loosing faith, his response was look at my 20,000 subscribers does that look like faith loss is a bit arrogant, esp given thst number would be somewhat exagerated

There are simply better ways to answer that question that would reinforce people's faith than pulling out a humble brag like my numbers don't show declining faith in fact they are this high at the moment

I don't know really if there are better ways given what people are wanting from it. If DPC doesn't mention something concrete people would just say the same old shit anyway, that DPC is just believing their own hype and ignoring what the "actual players" are upset over.

It's a bit "damned if you do" at this point. I'm surprised they even chose that question at all to be honest.

 

[Lagunavii]

To me Maya the selfish one she makes everything about her

I can see that and it's actually the reason I dislike the Thruple as a whole...

 

[Chillout1984]

Given the game pushes you towards her anyway it'll be Jill and it'll just go to reinforce Chillout1984 and his destiny theories.

And she is the mascot for season 1 and was "the chosen one" to welcome completely new players.

 

[jd8097619]

What I mean is that for him to change anything in terms of development time, there would need to be serious dissatisfaction that would result in a drop in the number of patrons.
So far after the release of Ep.8, he's been on a stable plateau with small drops in the chart during the wait and jumps on releases. Only Episode 9 could make him check himself as not having lived up to the inflated expectations - his release figures were lower than the then-record-breaking Episode 8 - the party episode format is not something most players like. That is, if the majority of the audience is satisfied, there will be no changes.

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Don't forget though there was also the Interlude in that gap, and it's clear opinion on that is still a lot more divided than anything else that's been released so far so that probably didn't help.

But yeah, I agree it has been pretty stable to slight upwards trend for a while now.

 

[Lagunavii]

I don't know really if there are better ways given what people are wanting from it. If DPC doesn't mention something concrete people would just say the same old shit anyway, that DPC is just believing their own hype and ignoring what the "actual players" are upset over.

It's a bit "damned if you do" at this point. I'm surprised they even chose that question at all to be honest.

Ultimately there's no real way of answering the question that started this whole discussion cause at its root it was "you're taking to long to develop, what are you going to do about it"

Now the answer is obviously nothing as he has done for the last 12 updates, the majority of of which took longer than the last.

But ultimately every answer he can give is arrogant that boils down too, the updates take as long as they do, have been increasing in length, scope and release gaps and you lot still lap it up.

I'm with you he should have stayed clear of the question.

 

[grarg]

This is what we get when DPC sticks to his vision and ignores all criticism
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[Ritam Dey]

Hey please give the save file for season 3 ,

 

[Geralt From Rivia]

Don't forget though there was also the Interlude in that gap, and it's clear opinion on that is still a lot more divided than anything else that's been released so far so that probably didn't help.

But yeah, I agree it has been pretty stable to slight upwards trend for a while now.

I can imagine how many people got butthurt after "Interlude is my fav episode" from him.
Gonna admit it, DPC know how to trigger people

 

[jd8097619]

But ultimately every answer he can give is arrogant that boils down too, the updates take as long as they do, have been increasing in length, scope and release gaps and you lot still lap it up.

If it wasn't for the clear amount of effort they put in and the demonstrable quality of what's produced I'd also put it down to arrogance, but those former factors are why I don't think it's arrogance as much as exasperation at this point.

If I had to be putting up with years of complaints at this point (in many cases from people playing it for free) that it's "taking too long" despite how much they clearly invest in wanting to play more of it I'd also be at the end of my tether with that attitude. It's like an endless "are we there yet" on a road trip the people complaining wanted to go on.

The "episodes" are taking longer to make but the length and quality of them is always better and I think we both know if instead of that DPC released episodes of the same length and quality but faster people would just as quickly whinge about how their preferred characters didn't get the screentime they feel, that it's not "getting any better" etc.

 

[jd8097619]

I can imagine how many people got butthurt after "Interlude is my fav episode" from him.
Gonna admit it, DPC know how to trigger people

At this point those people who are upset just want to be upset. I think it's completely meaningless and was only made because DPC wanted to make it, but all the stuff I do like is only made because DPC wanted to make that too so it's swings and roundabouts at the end of the day.