VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.11.1] [DrPinkCake]

[Roger-a-Dale]

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Thinking about it, these guys never came to anything in Episode 11. They're talking about a winter getaway, a possible ski trip, but the only notable things that happen is Geoff drunkenly joining the conversation and mention of A Gina (not necessarily OUR Gina). Neither turned out to be Bianca's dad, or show up near the cabin, or anything. I guess something could still happen in the future, but it seemed like a natural tie-in.

Ah whatever, DPC's writing is always perfect, I shouldn't question anything

Well I suppose one of them could be Bianca's dad (I want to say Maynard, but can't be sure), but they don't seem to be all that close to Geoff. Of course they might not be close just because their daughters are. Maybe the families met more as a series of niceties around a business deal and the girls hit it off but the parents didn't. Still I'd expect more familiarity, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Well I suppose one of them could be Bianca's dad (I want to say Maynard, but can't be sure), but they don't seem to be all that close to Geoff. Of course they might not be close just because their daughters are. Maybe the families met more as a series of niceties around a business deal and the girls hit it off but the parents didn't. Still I'd expect more familiarity, but maybe that's just me.

Yeah, Maynard Thomson. And that's true, but Geoff is also drunk 24/7, he could easily still perceive a positive friendship on his end.

 

[iamcomming]

I've always ended up in a tie whenever I do those runs think i'm due another run soon so i'll have to try it, i'm never really too bothered about winning since i'd never take the VIP pass anyway

Yeah I have a good one for that as well

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Come on Jamie

fix info, she is a new girl

 

[Chillout1984]

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Thinking about it, these guys never came to anything in Episode 11. They're talking about a winter getaway, a possible ski trip, but the only notable things that happen is Geoff drunkenly joining the conversation and mention of A Gina (not necessarily OUR Gina). Neither turned out to be Bianca's dad, or show up near the cabin, or anything. I guess something could still happen in the future, but it seemed like a natural tie-in.

Ah whatever, DPC's writing is always perfect, I shouldn't question anything

Chances are extremely slim he isn't talking about our Gina. It happens extremely rarely in any kind of fiction that people share the exact same first name (unless by "accident" you make the MC have the same first name as one of the characters or if it's the point of the title like in the manga/anime Nana). The biggest question about Gina is, what is she to him?

The highest chance is that she is just his daughter, but considering the themes we've already seen in this game, it's also pretty likely that he is her sugar daddy.

 

[Macky009]

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Nope, the ass needs to have a bit of meat sex won't be enjoyable if she is just bone and skin in her ass. It will be very sinful around pelvis during sex especially in cowgirl position

 

[Better Cock Spock]

Nope, the ass needs to have a bit of meat sex won't be enjoyable if she is just bone and skin in her ass. It will be very sinful around pelvis during sex especially in cowgirl position

Bella's the best of both worlds

 

[Macky009]

Bella's the best of both worlds

She is a complete package but I still choose Sage

 

[Better Cock Spock]

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She is a complete package but I still choose Sage
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Sage is also the best of both worlds

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Yeah, Maynard Thomson. And that's true, but Geoff is also drunk 24/7, he could easily still perceive a positive friendship on his end.

Could be.

But speaking of the Thomson family. As of ep 11 I consider it extremely likely that Miranda and Bianca are related. Aunt and niece rather than mother and daughter as Bianca should already be born during the diary events. This is not a new idea, but ep 11 gave us a new point of evidence. If MC joins the ski trip he does a monkey pose for their group photo. He even thinks of it as channelling his mom. So one of his mother's old friends must end up seeing that picture and that is how MC connects with them.

I have a couple of times mentioned my hypothesis that Bella and Lynette knew each other. The fact that the photo happens on Bella's path as well as Jill's gives more weight to the idea. Before this all additional clues about Lynette have come only through Jill's path. However, it also implies that the revelation won't come through Bella's secret room. After all why set up the photo if the revelation is railroaded for all paths way sooner. Unless of course the purpose of the photo isn't to reveal the truth to Bella and MC, but to reveal their relationship Miranda. That would actually be really satisfying. Even before they themselves found out they started a chain reaction of being discovered.

So if the connection is so obvious to Miranda why hasn't Bella seen it for herself? That would be because to Bella it's just a new detail in a person she already knows very well, but to Miranda that photo is a first impression. It is a moment MC is being "his mother's son", but this is unusual behaviour for him. To Bella the photo won't rewrite everything she knows about MC, but to Miranda it's the very starting point. And thus we will have... drama!

 

[Better Cock Spock]

So MC's monkey pose pic is the Bella equivalent of the Jill pic with the house behind her? To trigger a Eureka moment?

 

[Chillout1984]

Could be.
I have a couple of times mentioned my hypothesis that Bella and Lynette knew each other. The fact that the photo happens on Bella's path as well as Jill's gives more weight to the idea. Before this all additional clues about Lynette have come only through Jill's path. However, it also implies that the revelation won't come through Bella's secret room. After all why set up the photo if the revelation is railroaded for all paths way sooner. Unless of course the purpose of the photo isn't to reveal the truth to Bella and MC, but to reveal their relationship Miranda. That would actually be really satisfying. Even before they themselves found out they started a chain reaction of being discovered.

Another point (if I remember episode 11 correctly) that solidifies that hypothesis is that Bella also already seems to be good friends with Bianca, and I seriously doubt that's only because of Jill. Also Bella is too old to (in general) become friends Bianca normally. That leaves (at least) two logical reasons why they are friends:
1. Just like Jill Bianca and Bella met and became friends if Bianca also went to B&R
2. Bella met Bianca at a young age through one of Bianca's relatives. Especially this fits with your Bella and Lynette hypothesis, through Miranda.

 

[Chillout1984]

Another point (if I remember episode 11 correctly) that solidifies that hypothesis is that Bella also already seems to be good friends with Bianca, and I seriously doubt that's only because of Jill. Also Bella is too old to (in general) become friends Bianca normally. That leaves (at least) two logical reasons why they are friends:
1. Just like Jill Bianca and Bella met and became friends if Bianca also went to B&R
2. Bella met Bianca at a young age through one of Bianca's relatives. Especially this fits with your Bella and Lynette hypothesis, through Miranda.

Now that I think about it... That's also a possibility what might (also) be in Bella's room: Proof of her friendship with Lynette and maybe others, like photo's and/or paintings. If that's the case, she might have locked it up (and only sometimes look at it, considering we've also seen her look in that room) not really to hide it from MC, but more because (like with Neil) the loss of Lynette hurts her too much to have it in one of her other more common rooms.

That might also explain why the door wasn't locked at christmas dinner (unless she simply forgot to lock it): It might be that she was planning to show that room to MC, but wanted to do it in her own time and not like how it happened in ep 11.

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Now that I think about it... That's also a possibility what might (also) be in Bella's room: Proof of her friendship with Lynette and maybe others, like photo's and/or paintings. If that's the case, she might have locked it up (and only sometimes look at it, considering we've also seen her look in that room) not really to hide it from MC, but more because (like with Neil) the loss of Lynette hurts her too much to have it in one of her other more common rooms.

That might also explain why the door wasn't locked at christmas dinner (unless she simply forgot to lock it): It might be that she was planning to show that room to MC, but wanted to do it in her own time and not like how it happened in ep 11.

The thought I have about Bella's room is that it has become a sort of clutter room. At first it was just some painful things she has a hard time looking on a daily basis, but wouldn't dream of throwing away. Such as a crib and other items she prepared for a baby she lost. Then other such items ended up in there. The latest addition would be her wedding photo and she forgot to lock the door when she put it there.

But while Bella has lost Lynette she might not know that she is dead. It could be that Lynette's parents went to such extreme lengths to punish Neil and MC that they even prevented their daughter's friends from finding out as they might decide to offer help. And the fact that Miranda has not been there to help Neil and MC would imply that she doesn't know. There is no way she would have sided with Lynette's parents instead of her son.

 

[Chillout1984]

The thought I have about Bella's room is that it has become a sort of clutter room. At first it was just some painful things she has a hard time looking on a daily basis, but wouldn't dream of throwing away. Such as a crib and other items she prepared for a baby she lost. Then other such items ended up in there. The latest addition would be her wedding photo and she forgot to lock the door when she put it there.

But while Bella has lost Lynette she might not know that she is dead. It could be that Lynette's parents went to such extreme lengths to punish Neil and MC that they even prevented their daughter's friends from finding out as they might decide to offer help. And the fact that Miranda has not been there to help Neil and MC would imply that she doesn't know. There is no way she would have sided with Lynette's parents instead of her son.

Everything sounds good, but there is (for me) 1 big issue with this theory: Even if Miranda doesn't know that Lynette's dead, she should've known that Lynette was pregnant. I don't know how it is in the US, but where I'm from it's quite normal to have at least your best friends close to you if you give birth. Lynette died while giving birth, so Miranda should know about it if she was close to her.

What a surprise would it be if Bella has a copy of the same photo of Lynette and friends in that room as the one MC's gotten. I've also got a theory why she hasn't seen that picture in MC's room even if she's been there: Lorewise it doesn't hang on the wall but is still in the box or diary. In not a single cutscene we've ever gotten a shot of the wall above MC's desk where we see it through gameplay.

 

[antonio1508]

She's a tiny little faerie, I'm sure her magic will protect her.

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is she tiny during a event ?

 

[Roger-a-Dale]

Everything sounds good, but there is (for me) 1 big issue with this theory: Even if Miranda doesn't know that Lynette's dead, she should've known that Lynette was pregnant. I don't know how it is in the US, but where I'm from it's quite normal to have at least your best friends close to you if you give birth. Lynette died while giving birth, so Miranda should know about it if she was close to her.

What a surprise would it be if Bella has a copy of the same photo of Lynette and friends in that room as the one MC's gotten. I've also got a theory why she hasn't seen that picture in MC's room even if she's been there: Lorewise it doesn't hang on the wall but is still in the box or diary. In not a single cutscene we've ever gotten a shot of the wall above MC's desk where we see it through gameplay.

Well since putting the photo on the wall Bella has only been in his room once. If she made regular visits, she should definitely see it, but missing it on that one time is hardly implausible.

I'd say friends and family gathering at a birth is fairly common in first world countries if not completely global, but Neil and Lynette had run away together and hadn't gotten married. It would imply that they were keeping a very low profile. Possibly to the point of leaving Lynette's phone behind for fear of it being traced.

I have constructed quite a web of assumptions in this. Lynette leaves behind her phone, but brings a little book of addresses and phone numbers along so she'll be able to contact them when she gets an opportunity. She writes old fashioned snail mail letters to her friends including Bella in which she explains what she is doing and why. She never found the opportunity to contact them and they considered themselves forgotten.

Now here is the kicker. To their friends Isabella and Lynette were Bella and Lynn, but to each other they were Bee and Net. Lynette talked about Bee on a regular basis, but the name in the address book is Isabella. No first or last name in the book starts with a B and so even when Lynette told Neil to call Bee he just didn't know who that was. All he could do was let the authorities contact her parents who then did as they pleased.

19 years later we have... drama!

 

[Chillout1984]

Well since putting the photo on the wall Bella has only been in his room once. If she made regular visits, she should definitely see it, but missing it on that one time is hardly implausible.

I'd say friends and family gathering at a birth is fairly common in first world countries if not completely global, but Neil and Lynette had run away together and hadn't gotten married. It would imply that they were keeping a very low profile. Possibly to the point of leaving Lynette's phone behind for fear of it being traced.

I have constructed quite a web of assumptions in this. Lynette leaves behind her phone, but brings a little book of addresses and phone numbers along so she'll be able to contact them when she gets an opportunity. She writes old fashioned snail mail letters to her friends including Bella in which she explains what she is doing and why. She never found the opportunity to contact them and they considered themselves forgotten.

Now here is the kicker. To their friends Isabella and Lynette were Bella and Lynn, but to each other they were Bee and Net. Lynette talked about Bee on a regular basis, but the name in the address book is Isabella. No first or last name in the book starts with a B and so even when Lynette told Neil to call Bee he just didn't know who that was. All he could do was let the authorities contact her parents who then did as they pleased.

19 years later we have... drama!

Even though that indeed are quite a few assumptions, I agree they are quite likely to have happened.

When it comes to Bella entering his room, wouldn't you think she would've entered his room more often during the montage? I know that we don't see it, but the cat is out of the bag thanks to Nick so Tremolo and Bella don't really have a reason to hide it from them (unless they still hide it just in case a non-DIK is in the house, like tattletale Arieth).

Also, It's not unlikely that the picture isn't on the wall above his desk in canon, considering Jill has come more often to his room and seems to not have seen it (otherwise I'm pretty sure she would've recognized at least Miranda), plus we see other stuff on the same wall that I'm pretty sure aren't there (like the Pink Rose VIP card or his gym-card).

 

[MiltonPowers]

Well since putting the photo on the wall Bella has only been in his room once. If she made regular visits, she should definitely see it, but missing it on that one time is hardly implausible.

I've got a photo of Jill and one with Lily/Nicole on my wall on my Bella path, and she's never said a word.

EDIT: And FYI, Lily & Cindy on my phone. (She's never been bothered by that either).

 

[parkernerd]

has the author ever given an estimated number of final chapters/seasons?

 

[Chillout1984]

has the author ever given an estimated number of final chapters/seasons?

Season 4 will be the last one, and the latest estimate in 2024 was 14-16 episodes (including epilogues/endings). He didn't give a clear update in his 2025 FAQ about this.