VN Ren'Py Being a DIK [v0.10.1] [DrPinkCake]

[J.A.L.]

That's a good point, and I admit it is a thorny issue. On the one hand I do understand how people feel uncomfortable with the situation. But my main concern is the quality of AVN's. I want to see us come to a place where there are many well written AVN's available, where the market isn't flooded with simplistic or shallow stories. NTR hysteria is a major stumbling block to reaching that goal.

I think lack of talent and skills for creative writing are the reasons for that low quality in AVNs. For example, why so many AVN resort to a MC with superpowers of mind control, or things like sleeping sex or sex under blackmailing? Because for a writer is difficult to create and write dialogues for an attractive MC capable of seducing women the traditional way: being charming and having a witty, pleasant conversation. It´s easier to create a MC that just uses magic to get laid or some other cheap trick like that.

I don´t thin that "NTR hysteria" is a major issue. 90% of AVNs would be equally simplistic and shallow without it too.

 

[Darkdevil66]

Wow Maya topic still going? Niiice

That whole Maya/Quinn fandom rivalry needs to stop. Haven't we all acknowledge a common enemy ?

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[TajaRrR]

Jonathan who?

It's the guy who will help her to do some kind of memorial for her sister or something like that.

 

[Jimayo]

That whole Maya/Quinn fandom rivalry needs to stop. Haven't we all acknowledge a common enemy ?

What if I'm not exactly a maya fan? Like, I like her, sure, but only in so much as I like all the LI's. She's like 4th or 5th on my list. I know quinn fanboys like to accuse me of being a maya fanboy but I'm not. I just see quinn for the sociopathic piece of shit she is and hate the fact that people lionize that cunt.

Also I've never interacted with the madame. I go with retirement home because setting a good example is what being a leader is all about.

 

[clayjar]

who are your favourite girls? I like Bella

 

[Jimayo]

It's the guy who will help her to do some kind of memorial for her sister or something like that.

A charity. She's trying to set up a charity in her sister's name.

 

[Jimayo]

who are your favourite girls? I like Bella

Bella then Sage, then Josy, then probably Maya, then Jill, then Nicole, then Lily, then Riona, and last Camilla.

 

[DavDR]

for starters, I'm quite into Sage.

I think he meant to say you are required to be on Sage path to stay at her place in EP4, which involves giving her guitar lessons.

Before that, she asked MC's promise to spy on Chad as a trade to return his stolen guitar; Under her request, MC went to the gym where the alphas frequent, which is pretty dangerous considering the history of MC and the alphas, MC was taking risks; as we know it, MC got the 'proof' and then beaten up by the jocks. MC is "even" with her, to use her words. you could also reject her initiative to make out (who are you kidding). but no guitar lessons, no deeper interactions in season 1?

you can deny her in first session (again, no kidding); but gal just straight up beat MC's meat in second one and started sexy time, no alternative. so MC is kinda a support (material or whatever you call it) during her time of frustration and through which they sure bonded in a way.

Yes, I know all of that. The discussion was about the LI's personalities, not the game mechanics. My point was that both Sage and Bella offer to let you stay in their room/house whereas Maya only let's you stay after Derek calls in a favor. This example was one of many I gave to support my argument that Maya is essentially a selfish character.

 

[TajaRrR]

That whole Maya/Quinn fandom rivalry needs to stop. Haven't we all acknowledge a common enemy ?

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I don't know if it's rivalry because how can Maya be rival to Quinn But I personally tell how it is, that Maya has flaws and is not 100% good character, that's all

A charity. She's trying to set up a charity in her sister's name.

Charity! Right, that's the one

who are your favourite girls? I like Bella

Quinn

 

[kyrlian]

No you listen child. Life is never that simple. There's a difference between a cheating slut like a arieth and people in a broken relationship like josy and maya who are moving on before breaking up or someone who's been cheated on and cheating in return like sage. Life is not simple and it is not black or white. It is filled with shades of grey. Josy, Maya and Sage are not cheating sluts who jump into bed with anybody that comes along and treating them like they are because you want a simple minded black and white outlook that ignores context is stupid. I am capable of much more complex thought than that.

So Arieth is a 'cheating slut', now what happened to Arieth's context? Why are you calling names instead of trying to empathize with her? You Maya fans really know how to contradict yourselves.

Double standards, just like Maya says at the beginning "those HOTs are a bunch of sluts" but hey, I'm gonna take their money I don't care. Ok whatever.

And oh yeah I'm a simpleton because I have standards. I never said context doesn't matter, I said cheating is a dealbreaker in a real life relationship (for me of course) and context doesn't change the fact that cheating can destroy a relationship and you should never tolerate cheating. Its called having boundaries and values. But if you are ok with cheating that doesn't make others a bunch of narrow minded idiots, you're ignoring context with me but that's expected because you don't look very sophisticated to me tbh, just another simple 'my way or you're an idiot' type.

peace

 

[DavDR]

I think lack of talent and skills for creative writing are the reasons for that low quality in AVNs. For example, why so many AVN resort to a MC with superpowers of mind control, or things like sleeping sex or sex under blackmailing? Because for a writer is difficult to create and write dialogues for an attractive MC capable of seducing women the traditional way: being charming and having a witty, pleasant conversation. It´s easier to create a MC that just uses magic to get laid or some other cheap trick like that.

I don´t thin that "NTR hysteria" is a major issue. 90% of AVNs would be equally simplistic and shallow without it too.

Oh I agree about the lack of talent. But can you think of any game, in the hundreds and hundreds posted on this site, where the MC has to compete with a competent rival to win the LI? I'm not talking about those games where NTR is the focus, in most of those games the MC IS the Tybalt. But what we never see is an MC that has to outmaneuver an actual rival to win the hand of the LI. In fact in most of these games, even the most well written, the LI's just seem to fall onto the MC's cock, it's so easy to get the girl. Or you have to run a contrived maze of artificial roadblocks to get there.

 

[Warscared]

Yo wtf happened? I was on the Jill path and during the end of episode 8 it only gave me the option to date Sage or break it off with both sage and jill....

dude if you are pursuing Jill and Sage in the same path i do not think you need a solution for your game i think you need to have a hard look in the mirror and consider what you are doing with your life because whatever it is, ITS NOT WORKING!

Is she stupid, coward, a submissive masochist... or all the previous...?

ok you can stop now i am sold on Maya!

She probably freaked out at first:

Spoiler: There she is, freaking out

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Then the HOTs (Quinn, Mel & Sarah) would have smoothed it over:

Maya: "OMG What the FUCK did you just do!"
Quinn: "Chill Maya, they're doing this with all the DIK pledges, he'll be fine."
Mel: "Yeah we do it every year, it's like a tradition."
Sarah: "Yeah, Fuckface knew it was... Holy FUCK, is that his cock!?"
Maya: "Come on, seriously I don't think..."
Sarah: "Just one minute, it's not every day you get to deep throat a taser-induced footlong boner!"
Mel: "Hurry up Sarah, I wanna have a go before it starts to subside..."
Quinn: "Don't worry girls, I don't think it's going down any time soon, Maya really did a number on him."
Maya: "So he's unconscious right, he's not gonna know if I just try a little..."
Quinn: "Oh you dirty bitch. "

makes sense except that Sarah would not be asking for money afterwards if she knew the size of the MCs wiener

and then we must consider what happened after the pink rose visit when the MC was once more inconscient...
and why did she needed to change his bed sheets afterwards...

 

[Jimayo]

So Arieth is a 'cheating slut', now what happened to Arieth's context? Why are you calling names instead of trying to empathize with her? You Maya fans really know how to contradict yourselves.

Double standards, just like Maya says at the beginning "those HOTs are a bunch of sluts" but hey, I'm gonna take their money I don't care. Ok whatever.

And oh yeah I'm a simpleton because I have standards. I never said context doesn't matter, I said cheating is a dealbreaker in a real life relationship (for me of course) and context doesn't change the fact that cheating can destroy a relationship and you should never tolerate cheating. Its called having boundaries and values. But if you are ok with cheating that doesn't make others a bunch of narrow minded idiots, you're ignoring context with me but that's expected because you don't look very sophisticated to me tbh, just another simple 'my way or you're an idiot' type.

peace

She fucks anyone who comes along if they have a dick. Like you really lack critical thought don't you? WhY dOn'T yOu eMpHaThIsE wItH aRiEtH? Your lack of critical throught is fucking astonishing. She fucks anyone with a pulse. There is no nuance there, she's just a cheating slut. And the fact that you want to equate her situation to maya, josy and sage and pretend they are the same is pathetic. Grow a brain.

 

[wakkawalla]

who are your favourite girls? I like Bella

Spoiler: don't do it

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[DavDR]

and you just didn't notice or ignored the fact that they are in different stage of relationship; MC has already done a lot for Sage and they're really get along, so Sage would be more readily to say yes. and it would be a weak comparison hence not a strong argument?

It doesn't change the social instinct of the character as written. As I demonstrated before Maya's first instinct is always to care for herself, the Sage example was just one of many to contrast her behavior.

 

[J.A.L.]

Oh I agree about the lack of talent. But can you think of any game, in the hundreds and hundreds posted on this site, where the MC has to compete with a competent rival to win the LI? I'm not talking about those games where NTR is the focus, in most of those games the MC IS the Tybalt. But what we never see is an MC that has to outmaneuver an actual rival to win the hand of the LI. In fact in most of these games, even the most well written, the LI's just seem to fall onto the MC's cock, it's so easy to get the girl. Or you have to run a contrived maze of artificial roadblocks to get there.

If you don´t know how to write an attractive MC... how would you be able to write a competent rival?
Aboiut BaDIK, it´s not the case. Tremolo has some fun and witty dialogues, so DPC knows how to write a good character. I think that cartoonish rivals are a convention of the genre, like magic cocks and female bi eager to engage in a threesome everywhere. And also, laziness. Again, it´s easier to write a Tybalt than a professor Moriarty.

 

[Tadpol]

Oh I agree about the lack of talent. But can you think of any game, in the hundreds and hundreds posted on this site, where the MC has to compete with a competent rival to win the LI? I'm not talking about those games where NTR is the focus, in most of those games the MC IS the Tybalt. But what we never see is an MC that has to outmaneuver an actual rival to win the hand of the LI. In fact in most of these games, even the most well written, the LI's just seem to fall onto the MC's cock, it's so easy to get the girl. Or you have to run a contrived maze of artificial roadblocks to get there.

Usually the MC is the only decent guy in history. Or worse the only guy. Or the story makes it so that other guys don't see the same girls too much.

Do not despair, the story takes more and more space in this type of game, and I hope that soon the porn part will be incidental.

It reminds me of Eva Kiss who is going to reboot a character from ORS to make him a decent guy. So in the game we won't only have Ian as a good guy, and the rest a bunch of bastards or weirdo.

 

[namelessone22]

That whole Maya/Quinn fandom rivalry needs to stop. Haven't we all acknowledge a common enemy ?

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Did anyone get that Agent Smith quote from the 2nd(?) Matrix about 'see your enemy' go through their heads?

 

[ename144]

doesn't seem like a great argument considering how "electrifying" Maya's hospitality will prove to be....

Hey, that's on Quinn. Do you really think Troy was going to protect the MC from her??

Sage never ask the MC for sexual favors before allowing him to stay. It may be a game condition that they are fuckbuddies, but there's no quid pro quo from the character. And despite Sage's so called anger issues she is awakened in the middle of the night and still offers the MC a place to stay when she understands that he feels like he has nowhere else to go.

Also, despite the MC stating several times that he doesn't want to discuss the matter, Maya pushes it in public and in the middle of class, it's almost discussion rape. As for the tears? Tears from a woman in the middle of an argument are nothing but manipulation. Women know how effective of a tool tears are and use them remorselessly.

No, in Episode 3 Sage will ask the MC point blank if he's only interested in teaching her guitar. If he says yes, she kicks him out and will not offer the MC a room during the Maya/Josy crisis. And that's AFTER the MC overheard Sage say she might have let Chad stay with her if he was willing to do his boyfriend duties, so it's not like I'm pulling the implication out of thin air.

Basically, if Sage can hide behind gameplay as a defense, why can't Maya?

Yes and that's another thing in proving Maya's selfishness. After MC is sexually assaulted, tased and kidnapped the first thing Maya says is 'will you help me' or words to that effect. She doesn't express any concern or remorse until called out on it. It's her first impulse or instinct to think of herself, even in a situation where she should be embarrassed or remorseful.

Ah, I see. When Maya wants to apologize for her behavior in public, it's discussion rape. When she wants to be discrete and handle the matter at hand before apologizing, she's selfish.

Like I said, sometimes I think you carry it too far. There's no question Maya can be self-centered, but that's not unique to her.

In Bella's flashback, her husband does not kiss her

Realism....

Look, I think DPC is a little too gunshy on the matter as well. But Bella's flashback lasts what, half an hour at most?

 

[Garen]

who are your favourite girls? I like Bella

Sage, Riooooooooooo, Nicole and Lily.




(DPC pls gib back Sage original hairstyle in some scenes here and there)