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Horvax

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Agreed... If it was not a challenge, it would not be entertaining, and nobody would play it for more than an hour. Sure,.. some things need you to grind excessively, but you don't become a massage master after watching an online course, and 10 massages. Real life is slow.... I think its paced on the slower side of what is necessary, which is good. If it was as fast as some people want, it wouldn't need a percentage skill check, it would be a simple count of "has this been done 3 times already? Yes,.. ok,.. you're a master."

DS needs to tweak the grinding a little, but making it too easy to complete each grind is nearly as pointless as asking for a save position so you can see the pictures. In fact, some people can't even be bothered to look back one page for pictures, its that much effort. Theres no chance of these people grinding through the game to see them.
Repeating the same action over and over again until you finally unlock the next level isn't a challenge. A challenge is to be presented with a problem that you have to solve (devising a strategy) in order to progress with the story. Here the answer comes with the question ("I want that, so I have to do this"); all you have to do is try and try again until you succeed.
I agree with you that real life is slow, but if Max decides to become a martial arts expert in order to kick Eric out, I don't want to have to click him through all his training years. :)
 

SRJ

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I agree with you that real life is slow, but if Max decides to become a martial arts expert in order to kick Eric out, I don't want to have to click him through all his training years. :)
Also, Eric is military trained. I think he'll kick Max's ass even if he does have 3 hours of martial arts video lessons.

I'm pretty sure that it won't be a grind to remove Eric. I think it will just be planning and the use of items gained at the right time. The grinds are really with gaining skills to progress with the family,.. so far. Lets hope they get a little tweaking, but not drastic drops. Perhaps though, DS was thinking of "drastic grind drops" as part of the achievement process, and this would mean that he intened that the people who have to grind are the ones with un-modded copies.
 
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Hercule_Poirot

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Having in mind that Eric lied about his identity, he could have also lied about his military training too. Also, military service doesn't trasform you into a G.I. Joe, some skills need to be practiced in order to be improved or even remembered.
 
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Even if my personal opinion is the total opposite and i believe his main interest is in keeping the patreon milking cow alive lets assume the author has real interest in the story and its development and accuracy.

As of now the game has already a few inconsistent parts that would need to be resolved before going any further:

- Why on earth would the MC provide a hacked sim card to his younger sister and not provide himself with an opportunity to watch porn?
- Supporting the sister's cam activity works completely against his own business model. His only income is from the hidden cams so he would have no interest at all to provide her with the income opportunity
- A single visit of Eric adds ~40% influence on 2 sisters at a time where the MC can only reduce that influence per day with roughly 10% on the younger one by providing home work assistance or has to pay major sums for the other sister
- Accessing sites for illegal stuff makes no sense at all when there is parental control established
- Forcing the sister to be without panties isnt reflected after the aunt shows up. Needs a plot twist or has to be reflected in her appearance
 

greyelf

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3. Cheat prevention in single player serves no purpose but to annoy people.
Except it may reduce the number of "I cheated by changing some important setting/flag and the game now doesn't work as it was designed to" complaints/questions the developer receives. And issuing warnings about this type of situation does not work because many don't read them.

Just look at all the times similar complaints/questions are posted on this site, even after people have been repeatably told not to use previous saves because the game's logic/functionality has been changed in a way that it is no longer backwardly compatible.
 

Balduko

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Eh, hopefully it's a dream, not really a fan of fucking someone while they're asleep, that's just rape.
 

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For that latest photo, my guess is that Lisa agreed to sleep in the same bed with MC and he woke up early with morning wood. The angle implies sex, but I don't think it's really happening.
 

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Except it may reduce the number of "I cheated by changing some important setting/flag and the game now doesn't work as it was designed to" complaints/questions the developer receives. And issuing warnings about this type of situation does not work because many don't read them.

Just look at all the times similar complaints/questions are posted on this site, even after people have been repeatably told not to use previous saves because the game's logic/functionality has been changed in a way that it is no longer backwardly compatible.
That would be a relevant argument if the game would be provided free. Major changes to game mechanics are actually a sign of bad design and/or lack of concept to begin with. Since the updates are supposed to be 'chained' to the story its a given for every user to expect consistency. That is especially true as the grind to reach any of the 'end content' now is actually hefty. I have played the game both blank and with cheats and as of now its not-playable without cheats - it delivers no player satisfaction at all without the cheats.
 

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Except it may reduce the number of "I cheated by changing some important setting/flag and the game now doesn't work as it was designed to" complaints/questions the developer receives. And issuing warnings about this type of situation does not work because many don't read them.

Just look at all the times similar complaints/questions are posted on this site, even after people have been repeatably told not to use previous saves because the game's logic/functionality has been changed in a way that it is no longer backwardly compatible.
Sure, but people cheat anyway, and if cheating is difficult, they often find extreme methods to cheat, which could any up worse than having some built in features. There are a number of safe things that can be changed without breaking the game, and it would be good to have a basic version of the computer cheats built in. It's a bit like the Superpowered game; the modded version really should be a feature enabled in settings.
 

thjis1

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If there were ever a plot hole, this would be it. I've been asking myself this same question every time I play it. Why risk getting caught when you can just watch on the cams. What, 3 updates into using the cams and this has yet to be implemented. I'm wondering if it even crossed DS's mind at this point. The voyeur is strong with this game so the most obvious way to follow through with the fetish is just to watch the cams. But nope. Gotta risk getting caught against crazy odds. I feel sorry for those who play this game unmodded some times. Gives me a headache just thinking bout it

Also easiest way to get rid of Eric, most states are single permission record states. Just send a few images of Eric out side of Alice's room or the rape scene with Kira. Unless they cover for him, he would most likely be unemployed and in jail with either no bond or a large one. This is not even counting whatever he does with Lisa. Problem on that front is you might lose mom as well.
 
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AkitoH

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Also easiest way to get rid of Eric, most states are single permission record states. Just send a few images of Eric out side of Alice's room or the rape scene with Kira. Unless they cover for him, he would most likely be unemployed and in jail with either no bond or a large one. This is not even counting whatever he does with Lisa. Problem on that front is you might lose mom as well.
Yeah, but that's to the extreme. This is still an erotic game we're talking about here, lol. If we're talking about legal business then the feds would've already been at Max's door

Also, I'd hardly call Eric and Kira's scenes rape. She didn't plan for it, but it was completely consensual. She said herself, she's not gonna turn down sex. She likes it, she just likes it with Max more. It might be built on blackmail, but it's through something that's basically her hobby.
 

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Yeah, but that's to the extreme. This is still an erotic game we're talking about here, lol. If we're talking about legal business then the feds would've already been at Max's door

Also, I'd hardly call Eric and Kira's scenes rape. She didn't plan for it, but it was completely consensual. She said herself, she's not gonna turn down sex. She likes it, she just likes it with Max more. It might be built on blackmail, but it's through something that's basically her hobby.
Despite how that Kira scene is shown. She was blackmailed, which indicate she was forced to do something she would preferably not do. In this case sleep with Eric. That entire scene is pretty meh, for me. She is forced to have sex with the guy she is helping you get rid off. Yet is supposed to be fine with it just because she likes sex. Just because one likes sex, does not mean being blackmailed to have sex is ok. When that happens I feel that's rape, no matter how much one enjoys sexual acts. But alot of people see that scene different so, it's just my view.

Regarding the last preview, I think they just might be sharing the bed.
 

AkitoH

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Despite how that Kira scene is shown. She was blackmailed, which indicate she was forced to do something she would preferably not do. In this case sleep with Eric. That entire scene is pretty meh, for me. She is forced to have sex with the guy she is helping you get rid off. Yet is supposed to be fine with it just because she likes sex. Just because one likes sex, does not mean being blackmailed to have sex is ok. When that happens I feel that's rape, no matter how much one enjoys sexual acts. But alot of people see that scene different so, it's just my view.

Regarding the last preview, I think they just might be sharing the bed.
I hear you. Im just saying what she said. She said herself she isnt gonna turn down sex regardless and told Max she liked the sex with Eric. Keep in mind, I didn't say cause she likes sex. I said cause she liked sex with Eric. Big difference. Anyone can like sex but rape is rape. Its not rape if you openly admit to liking the sex and not turning it down with the "assaulter", in this case Eric. Knowing Kira to be the scandalous person she is, its hard for me to call it rape when she's the type to find sex anytime, any place and any way. The blackmail in my eyes just gives her a reason to fuck since all she was gonna do was masturbate anyway. The blackmail in my eyes feeds her bdsm fetish because thats who she is as an individual. The blackmail doesn't imply consent but her attitude and opinion towards it doesnt imply resistance which is the key factor of rape. You can argue that blackmail gives no room for resistance, but that goes out the window when she says herself that she isnt gonna turn down sex and that she liked fucking Eric.
 
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greyelf

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Major changes to game mechanics are actually a sign of bad design and/or lack of concept to begin with.
I guess you have never had an end-user ask for a new feature that was outside the scope of the original design then, or thought up a new feature that required the storage of new information. Because while it is possible to design systems in ways that leave them open to future un-thought-of extensions they generally involve adding overhead and abstractions that result in a less efficient product. It is not uncommon for independent based projects to not fully (or semi) scope their designs before implementing prototypes/betas, which is what most of the games available on this site are.

NOTE:
I am not says that was what happened here nor that this project is well designed, as I have neither played recent versions of the game nor looked at its source code, although I do have some experience working on Unity based projects.
 

SRJ

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Keep in mind, I didn't say cause she likes sex. I said cause she liked sex with Eric. Big difference. Anyone can like sex but rape is rape. Its not rape if you openly admit to liking the sex and not turning it down with the "assaulter", in this case Eric.
Its rape if you say no, and he still goes ahead and does it anyway. Remember that this is exactly how Max does it too, when she is tied down. She may have appeared to object to it, but once he started it, she got into it. Perhaps she has personal mental hang-ups and trauma like the mother, and putting herself in rape situations is her subconcious way of dealing with the guilt of her sister being kidnapped and raped. We may not know her reasons.
 

SRJ

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Also easiest way to get rid of Eric, most states are single permission record states. Just send a few images of Eric out side of Alice's room or the rape scene with Kira. Unless they cover for him, he would most likely be unemployed and in jail with either no bond or a large one. This is not even counting whatever he does with Lisa. Problem on that front is you might lose mom as well.
Thinking about it now, with Eric liking to take advantage of people who are drunk or unable to object to his advances because of coersion or blackmail, I'm thinking that maybe Max will google the name on the ID and discover he's a wanted serial rapist, and inform the police, which neatly (and perhaps satisfyingly) drops him out of the house in one quick move. Perhaps we will have some more tasks to complete before Max tells the police, such as destroying the alleged video of Max and Kira, or covering Max's tracks. The company won't need an assistant to someone who no longer works for them, so may let her go, especially if she's showing signs of not coping with being used/abused, or resurfacing of the trauma she felt.
 
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