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but she forces alice to do things she don't want and exchange her sexual favors for weed, that is slavery no submission
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First of all she gets the weed from the MC and not Alice. She actually shares the weed with her as Alice is obviously smoking it whenever you provide it to her 'Mistress'. And being submissive and executing something with some hesitation isnt the same as 'being forced to'. Actually for some partners hesitation is part of the 'game' itself.
First of all, i never said Eric is a good guy, i have pretty much stated the exact opposite. Not going into details, but sadly in my life I have come across one person very similar to Eric and he got lucky i found out his blackmail on my wife after he bailed town or he would have ended in a really bad spot.
At most, i said Eric is a good character for the game as he is a good archnemesis for the player to fight. Sadly that asshole i later learned went on pursuing a damaged woman pretty much like our Ann, he did real damage their and disappeared again. So there are quite a few themes this short game fringes on that resonate strongly within me, and not in the good way. Because while that sort of behaviour is apalling and actually in my country illegal, i make a clearcut distinction between a virtual character in a game that is made for you to fight, and real life shit. Little precision since we got there, i love incest games but would never move on my sisters or mom that thought is disgusting to me. Contradictions, contradictions... (or not, but that's enough about me)
Now that we got that out of the way, you'll notice i replied to your second statement as well. Now my experience with girls might not be the most extensive one in terms of numbers, but i consider myself pretty lucky. And amongst those that i was fortunate enough to love, there are a handful that were actually willing for me to have multiple partners and that was the expression of their love (some at the same time... and while you might think otherwise, yes i loved them very much and still live with one of them). Mind you i never demanded that stuff, they gave me that and some insisted on it. From extensive talks I gathered that because our love is really strong, only the feelings matter and open your couple to different stuff is an expression of showing that you care about your partner's wellbeing so much that you can even go to such lengths. I was always open about my major turnons and threesomes were part of that. I don't care if you like it or not, if you agree or not, i already have all i want right here at home
While I myself don't like sharing my partner except with women (which i have done, only watching or leaving them be), and when everyone is consenting to it of course, I understand and accept (and know, from first hand experience) that such can be the desires of some people. Then again this is not exclusive to women i've crossed paths with dominas (you might have guessed i am dom as well so just talking, they are actually the most understanding and cool people i interacted with in my life) with similar experience the other way around of course. I know this is not the most widespread behaviour but yeah it does exist, sorry if you are shocked by this but life is life. It's all a matter of being in sync with your partner giving them what they really want/need and they will reciprocate as long as you are open about your desires. It does make relationships way more complex but also really fulfilling as long as everyone is ok with that.
I know my experience is pretty different to most and it gives me a unique (i like to believe enlightened but hey, to everyone his own) perspective on dom/sub relations (way beyond the scope of the pain inflicting in bdsm), homosexuality, bisexuality, hidden or embarassing thoughts and stuff.
The writing in this game is pretty simplistic, but there are some clues here and there about Alice that echo with my own experience hence my theory. There are also those kind of echoes with Kate's behaviour. There are none of those clues with the other characters (so while DS's storytelling takes lots of shortcuts and has a lot to be criticized about, I still feel he gave different characters a different personnality and mindset)
That brings me back on topic (i won't digress anymore, not here to discuss my life only a game i enjoy), that was my theory, only that. I actually feel it sticks well with all of Alice's scenes, and i can actually draw quite a few parallels with my own experience. It's only a theory i might be wrong, if you don't like it or don't adhere to it that's your right, just make the game the story you want to be and let me do the same
Confirmation bias mode ON (or OFF, i don't know anymore and don't care actually)you, sir, are in the know. Hats off to you
The weed deal only concerns Kate and Max, not Alice.
Alice doesn't need to obey everything and anything Kate says. I said previously I am a dom. Some of my subs refused doing certain stuff they were not ok doing. And that is normal! It is their right!
What Kate is asking of Alice is for her to do something she is extremely shy about but not something she actually feels repulsion towards.
Well that's one way to read this, i guess you could feel all this to be rape-y, and that might also be. We do not know what they talk about when it's only Kate and Alice, but i think Alice doesn't keep many secrets from Kate and Alice's reaction after the scenes furthers that opinion: she's only ashamed or actually saying she had fun, that's not the words of someone who was forced to do something unpalletable for someone you love.(Kate in this case)
ever heard of 'safe words' ?
crap everytime i post here the message becomes longer next time i might do a 5 pages report lol
sorry if they aren't messed up how the game story might be? It's a porn game after all... (english isn't my mother-tounge..)
- May 17, 2017
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The owner gives food to his slaves. The slave earned food on the orders of his master. - As in the relationship between Katya and Alice - the owner and slave.
A free man is free. The slave does not have freedom. The slave is one who does not have his own will and therefore obeys the will of the other.
In Russian, the word "submissive" and "slavish" is equivalent. Perhaps in English they are different. You are from the US, do not you know what are the signs of slavery and what are the signs of freedom?
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Submissive is usually attributed with consensual. Tbh this wouldn't have to be explained if the media / movie industry din't paint a wrong portrait of bdsm and bdsm relations. Although the submissive position is the one to "take orders" they will never be forced to do anything they are not comfortable with, and it's not like in porn where they do everything they are told, are always waiting for new orders or going quiet all day because they were told to do so. That's pretty bs.
The key point is fun and happiness. That's why people do it. You should have fun and enjoy, even when let's say the submissive is being punished they aren't going to get bat shit beaten so they learn something. In a normal relationship it would be more playful smacks than anything and overall it's about exploring and taking step forwards with someone you feel comfortable and safe with.
That is submissive. Slave is non consensual and indicates a sub-human position. Think of slavery and you get the meaning of slave.
PS: The shit you see where submissives are punished like crazy, has more to do with masochism than anything else.
PPS: Felt really fucking odd writing this for some reason.
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You are right, I do not understand how you can share your loved one with others - it does not fit into my understanding of the word "love", or maybe I'm just greedy!
But the conversation about the slavish subordination of Alice on the orders of Katya. Katya does not hide the fact that she likes to command, and Alisa got a psychological trauma and began to consider herself obliged to obey Kati's order. Katya consciously uses Alisa's disease, to obtain herself material gain and to enjoy the enslavement of Alice. - It's definitely not love. It's a crime.
But the conversation about the slavish subordination of Alice on the orders of Katya. Katya does not hide the fact that she likes to command, and Alisa got a psychological trauma and began to consider herself obliged to obey Kati's order. Katya consciously uses Alisa's disease, to obtain herself material gain and to enjoy the enslavement of Alice. - It's definitely not love. It's a crime.
- May 3, 2017
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People in general feel obliged to do stuff for others for all kinds of reasons. That has nothing to do with being traumatised. You are far too dramatic. If anything Alice is a typical Seductress who plays others to get what she wants by whatever means. If she submits to Kate she does it for her own reasoning but certainly not because of anything you try to imply. A trauma would mean that her reaction would be consistent in all situations that are alike - and she certainly makes a clear difference between Kate and Max ie. The only character depicted with a trauma would be the Mom and her willingness to completely throw anything aside as long as it pleases her boyfriend.
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There are scenes in the game when Max goes to Alice and Katya.
1) Alice complains that she does not like what Katia did to her.
2) When Katya ordered Alice to suck her brother, Alice first refused, but then she said that she was ready to execute even such an order of her owner Katya! -There is no consensus, only obedience as a slave.
The attitude of the owner and slave. I think Max should fix this, even if he needs to reassign Alice for himself, which I will do with pleasure! The beginning of this was when they fucked, Alice and Max.
Let's see what happens in future versions of the game.
Someone wrote that Eric, being thrown out, may appear. Perhaps, but as a toy for Katya, after which Katya will lose interest in Alice!
Eric - Katie's pet, like a dog in the backyard of Max's house, on a chain, on all fours, looks sadly at an empty bowl without food! - Good!
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Huh, it's probably cause my computer is too shit to run the game, but every time i launch the game it only load the game in the bottom right corner (so you only see the top right corner of the actual game) and the rest is just a black screen, it also crashes the game. any suggestions?
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Yeah, I have the same issue. On vacation and I only have my laptop with me, plus very little connection but its Vista. After a full day of being dedicated trying to download it and the images, I finally got both, but then the game started glitching out upon startup.
I'm assuming that Unity is no longer supported by Vista/XP or something, because it works fine on my desktop, which is Win 10