Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[Darkaura]

let them "cry"

The tears of a cucked by Max, Eric fan, are by far, the most delicious.

 

[Lynn]

Never said I spoke for the "NTR community", or that I was a part of it. You both just assumed it because it's easier to deflect and write some meaningless personnal attacks rather than explaining your childish behaviour. I would have reacted the same way if it was about another fetish, because I am actually able to put myself in another person' shoes and understand how they would feel, despite not being exactly like me.

It's called empathy. You should look it up sometime. Anyways, I'm done with the both of you, nothing to get out of this "conversation".

 

[TastySnickers]

Never said I spoke for the "NTR community", or that I was a part of it. You both just assumed it because it's easier to deflect and write some meaningless personnal attacks rather than explaining your childish behaviour. I would have reacted the same way if it was about another fetish, because I am actually able to put myself in another person' shoes and understand how they would feel, despite not being exactly like me.

It's called empathy. You should look it up sometime. Anyways, I'm done with the both of you, nothing to get out of this "conversation".

Now now do not tell us that we assumed that you are part of the "NTR community" just because you are showing "empathy" for the cucks. I do not know your age but you seem to think you are really mature person who knows how to argument his/herself good. Be a good and educated person like you think you are and exlain to me why should I feel emphathy to group of people that I dislike because of their fetish?

 

[a1fox3]

3 if you get punished.

I forgot about that one.
By that point Max has already bought no punishment in my game.

 

[Blades1138]

NTR lovers are just the same as you, silly incest-lover Though it is highly unlikely cause people most of the people hate Eric, doesn't change the fact that you're the same as them, just a different fetish

Wait. I've been playing this game because of the sexy models, the incest thing barely registers. Have I been doing it wrong all this time ?
Now seriously, @Indagame chill out dude. NTR-lovers are people too, the fact that we're not into the same thing as them doesn't mean it's evil or something. I honestly would have no issue with it being present in the game if it was 100% avoidable. However as it stands now basically the first sex scenes you ever get are NTR. One could argue that you can just avoid viewing them, but how in the hell are you supposed to get the money to get rid of Eric otherwise. It's obvious that the initial portion of the game needs some polishing/rework.
Hell, if Eric wasn't a completely degenerate asshole who seeks exploit Ann's psychological issues and cheat her out of her home, I'd welcome the competition. Imagine a world where Eric is a half-decent guy who genuinely had an affection for Ann and tried to get along with the family, cockblocking you unintentionally as result - the game would play completely different. But as it stands now even his CG model screams "douchebag".

 

[Yijahh]

who write this game? a monkey?

 

[Corambis]

In the context of an incest game, Eric makes little sense and was poorly implemented. It's fine to have a character as a rival in a game like this, or to be the object of hate. But as someone mentioned, Eric comes into the game in god-mode. People hate him, not for being a villain, but for just existing in the first place. Maybe he's normal for an NTR or cuck-fetish game, but for most people interested in incest, he's like Jar Jar Binks. DS has had to radically change his plans for the game because such a high percentage of his paying customer base hate Eric. For this same reason, it's extremely unlikely Eric will get more content, because that will piss off too many people. Maybe once all of the main arcs are over and the incest people leave he'll go back and explore Eric some more, but I don't see it happening before then. He'd actually lose Patrons if he had an update that had even a little Eric content. Maybe it's not fair. DS himself obviously wanted different things for his game than what his Patrons wanted, but he had to give in to the people that are paying his bills. Luckily for me, it made it into a game more like what I would like. I'd like to see it move away more from the corruption angle, and include some romance. Maybe it will, or maybe in his next game, DS will start out from the beginning more attuned to what his audience wants.

 

[Darkaura]

I forgot about that one.
By that point Max has already bought no punishment in my game.

I leave that on and cheat the punishment on days where I am up early, if I pass the Lisa peep, to get the 1,2,3 and viewers up to 600.

 

[Yijahh]

I was kind of of hoping for an ending where I let Eric have his way and just expose all of it right before I leave. Sit mom and the sisters down to show them the recording I made when Eric told me he was going to fuck every girl in the house.

Show my sisters that I caught Eric jerking it to Alice and our pathetic cock blinded mom got mad when I tried to tell her.

I would have recorded him "training" Lisa and all the shit he does with Alice every time Mom takes a fucking shower.

The looks on their faces should be pretty priceless. Make sure to call my mom a retarded cum dumpster for not being able to see past Eric's tiny dick. Tell her to have fun with her married boyfriend who's real name she doesn't even know while he fucks both her daughter behind her back.

Then I take the Aunt, the only one who believed me and tried to help and just leave with all the money I made recording. Seriously………there is a CAMERA IN EVERY ROOM how is it not easier to expose everything eric does?

 

[Blades1138]

...DS himself obviously wanted different things for his game than what his Patrons wanted, but he had to give in to the people that are paying his bills...

The stated goal on his Patreon is to make a high quality game. As far as I can tell, him being an experienced video game developer really helped in the technical areas - CG graphics, interface/menu and the the way gameplay is married with story. However he fails on his intention to deliver an interesting story where each dialogue choice matters. Writing is his main weakness which makes it inconsistent and jarring when compared to the rest of the game.

 

[Darkaura]

Writing is his main weakness which makes it inconsistent and jarring when compared to the rest of the game.

I've seen comments that say it's better in the original Russian...

 

[Corambis]

The stated goal on his Patreon is to make a high quality game. As far as I can tell, him being an experienced video game developer really helped in the technical areas - CG graphics, interface/menu and the the way gameplay is married with story. However he fails on his intention to deliver an interesting story where each dialogue choice matters. Writing is his main weakness which makes it inconsistent and jarring when compared to the rest of the game.

It's a very pretty game with lots of really hot and well-rendered pictures, and those tend to distract you from a poor story and bad writing. But people still put up with those things in the hopes of the payoff sometime in the future. Big Brother is the hot girl with no personality that you keep spending your money on because she lets you get further and further each time. But she doesn't need to develop a personality because people keep treating her well because of her looks.

 

[Blades1138]

I've seen comments that say it's better in the original Russian...

You can probably blame poor dialogue on an imperfect translation, but it's logical to assume that the rest of it is just due to the script being unimaginative to say the least. For example Ann getting into the porn business because "we need the money" doesn't fit her character, but only serves the purpose of getting Max into her pants. He also gets to have sex with Alice because "she needs money". There's a trend here and these are not things that can be lost in translation, unless we're playing a game with an entirely separate script from the Russian version, which would mean 2 different games.
I'm not just saying these things to bash on BB, but to acknowledge the real issues with it. I'm glad that a lot of people already see that and I hope if enough patrons are vocal about it the game may improve for everybody. Meanwhile arguing pro/anti-NTR or speculating on what DS wanted for the game are fruitless, because if his script was better, he'd be able to include all the NTR he wants in a meaningful way and nobody would hold it against him - he wouldn't have to drop plot threads because of backlash etc.

It's a very pretty game with lots of really hot and well-rendered pictures, and those tend to distract you from a poor story and bad writing. But people still put up with those things in the hopes of the payoff sometime in the future. Big Brother is the hot girl with no personality that you keep spending your money on because she lets you get further and further each time. But she doesn't need to develop a personality because people keep treating her well because of her looks.

That's probably the most accurate metaphor for this game. Certainly in my case I'm playing mainly for the graphics, but I guess that the story partly draws me in as well, like a train wreck that you just can't help staring at.

 

[Pinesama]

Maybe I'm a weirdo or getting it all wrong but I don't have any major problems with the game writing...

To me, Max is portrayed mostly as a young, hormone-driven sociopath who is eager to bang anything with tits. I see his incestious tendancies mostly as "targets of opportunity" since he never leaves the house and rarely shows any true empathy towards his family. Likewise, the women never seem to initiate with him. In that sense, the incest is incidental. So, I don't mind if he wants to bang Olivia, other than the fact that she is fake-tan-orange. IMO, the 3-somes with her and Lisa are among the hottest scenes in the game and I would probably pursue that path every time if the content wasn't mutually exclusive to Lisa's lessons.

I don't have a problem with Ann being consumed by Eric either. We don't really know how long it's been since she has had a lover prior to him. It could have been a very long time. In those circumstances, it's not unthinkable that she would be D-whipped from the outset. It's not her fault that she is not a strong and individualistic woman. That said, it's apparent that she is mostly just interested in the sexual aspect of their relationship as once you begin giving Eric the limp-dick pills, his influence rapidly plummets. Aside from that, we should consider that in a healthy BDSM relationship, it is the submissive who wields the ultimate power because it is by their consent that they are dominated. I'm not saying that their relationship is totally healthy but am also not inclined to believe that she is abused (beyond her consent) by him either (aside from the larger con-job).

With that in mind, I am not completely surprised when Ann is willing to take the word of her lover over that of her sociopathic son. However, I do think it would be appropriate for confrontations about Eric's peeping to serve in reducing Eric's influence (perhaps even lower his maximum influence over her).

Now, before anyone accuses me of being an Eric loving cuck, let me say that I hate the dude and take massive satisfaction in cock-blocking Eric at every turn. If done patiently and correctly, Eric will never touch either of Max's sisters or Aunt Kira. It's only too bad that certain paths seemingly can't progress until he is gone. I would love to be grinding Eric's gears by having him know that Max is buttfucking Lisa in the kitchen or having fun with her and Kira without him being able to do anything about it.

Sadly, I feel that the gameplay becomes super boring once Eric is gone (a hero is only as great as his nemesis, right?). Once he's gone, I have no motivation to visit the ladies of the house and find myself just waiting through whole days trying to get different progression events to trigger. Unfortunately, He eventually becomes a progression hinderance and there's no choice but to be rid of him. It is hinted there will be more content with him as a pawn in the future so I remain somewhat optimistic...

The hacker blackmail path has potential to become interesting. For reasons stated in-game, the bait and switch path to fucking Ann should not be so simple but I don't think it would preclude other entertaining scenarios such as Max jizzing on her while blindfolded or using toys on her. It is also hinted at that Max could find a consensual route to fucking Ann with Eric's help but that it would take some time to devise. I would laugh if indeed this became the quickest route to repeatedly fucking Ann (if not the only route).

There should also be a path to finding the hidden the camera that Eric has hidden in Ann's room (The one he uses to record Max and Kira). I think it's safe to assume he has also been recording himself and Ann and will be using these videos to help coerce Ann into signing over the house to him. Presumably, Max could threaten to tell Ann about it to further control Eric although there is a chance she would already know about the camera and being recorded.

Now, if DS really wanted to conflict folks, he would implement an opposite-spectrum mechanic to keeping Eric... Something like making it necessary to preserve a certain percentage of Eric's influence to keep him from cutting his losses and leaving on his own (after certain story flags have been set).

Ultimately, I'm pretty satisfied with the direction DS has taken so far and am happy to be a low-tier Patreon supporter. BB is more game than visual novel and I appreciate that. There's obviously still much potential for improvement. I hope we will be seeing much more "end-game/post-Eric" content and more variety in sexual encounters like Max titfucking Kira or exploring sleep encounters. It would also be great if you could completely cock-block Eric while he is at the house (ruin the morning bathroom scene).

Sorry for the TL: DR... just wanted to share some thoughts on a game that I think is pretty cool

 

[rocky1905]

Thanks a lot for awesome game

 

[SDaddy666]

Maybe I'm a weirdo or getting it all wrong but I don't have any major problems with the game writing...

To me, Max is portrayed mostly as a young, hormone-driven sociopath who is eager to bang anything with tits. I see his incestious tendancies mostly as "targets of opportunity" since he never leaves the house and rarely shows any true empathy towards his family. Likewise, the women never seem to initiate with him. In that sense, the incest is incidental. So, I don't mind if he wants to bang Olivia, other than the fact that she is fake-tan-orange. IMO, the 3-somes with her and Lisa are among the hottest scenes in the game and I would probably pursue that path every time if the content wasn't mutually exclusive to Lisa's lessons.

I don't have a problem with Ann being consumed by Eric either. We don't really know how long it's been since she has had a lover prior to him. It could have been a very long time. In those circumstances, it's not unthinkable that she would be D-whipped from the outset. It's not her fault that she is not a strong and individualistic woman. That said, it's apparent that she is mostly just interested in the sexual aspect of their relationship as once you begin giving Eric the limp-dick pills, his influence rapidly plummets. Aside from that, we should consider that in a healthy BDSM relationship, it is the submissive who wields the ultimate power because it is by their consent that they are dominated. I'm not saying that their relationship is totally healthy but am also not inclined to believe that she is abused (beyond her consent) by him either (aside from the larger con-job).

With that in mind, I am not completely surprised when Ann is willing to take the word of her lover over that of her sociopathic son. However, I do think it would be appropriate for confrontations about Eric's peeping to serve in reducing Eric's influence (perhaps even lower his maximum influence over her).

Now, before anyone accuses me of being an Eric loving cuck, let me say that I hate the dude and take massive satisfaction in cock-blocking Eric at every turn. If done patiently and correctly, Eric will never touch either of Max's sisters or Aunt Kira. It's only too bad that certain paths seemingly can't progress until he is gone. I would love to be grinding Eric's gears by having him know that Max is buttfucking Lisa in the kitchen or having fun with her and Kira without him being able to do anything about it.

Sadly, I feel that the gameplay becomes super boring once Eric is gone (a hero is only as great as his nemesis, right?). Once he's gone, I have no motivation to visit the ladies of the house and find myself just waiting through whole days trying to get different progression events to trigger. Unfortunately, He eventually becomes a progression hinderance and there's no choice but to be rid of him. It is hinted there will be more content with him as a pawn in the future so I remain somewhat optimistic...

The hacker blackmail path has potential to become interesting. For reasons stated in-game, the bait and switch path to fucking Ann should not be so simple but I don't think it would preclude other entertaining scenarios such as Max jizzing on her while blindfolded or using toys on her. It is also hinted at that Max could find a consensual route to fucking Ann with Eric's help but that it would take some time to devise. I would laugh if indeed this became the quickest route to repeatedly fucking Ann (if not the only route).

There should also be a path to finding the hidden the camera that Eric has hidden in Ann's room (The one he uses to record Max and Kira). I think it's safe to assume he has also been recording himself and Ann and will be using these videos to help coerce Ann into signing over the house to him. Presumably, Max could threaten to tell Ann about it to further control Eric although there is a chance she would already know about the camera and being recorded.

Now, if DS really wanted to conflict folks, he would implement an opposite-spectrum mechanic to keeping Eric... Something like making it necessary to preserve a certain percentage of Eric's influence to keep him from cutting his losses and leaving on his own (after certain story flags have been set).

Ultimately, I'm pretty satisfied with the direction DS has taken so far and am happy to be a low-tier Patreon supporter. BB is more game than visual novel and I appreciate that. There's obviously still much potential for improvement. I hope we will be seeing much more "end-game/post-Eric" content and more variety in sexual encounters like Max titfucking Kira or exploring sleep encounters. It would also be great if you could completely cock-block Eric while he is at the house (ruin the morning bathroom scene).

Sorry for the TL: DR... just wanted to share some thoughts on a game that I think is pretty cool

Yeah i agree with some points, When Eric was there and threatening, (0.3-0.4) I was driven by anger to play the game. Now i'm just like "yeah only mom left to fuck".

The other thing is, and thank you for pointing that, No one ever comes to you. Except if you are punished or if you hide the spider. People could use your help but would spend weeks dealing with their problem instead of coming to talk to you. In other words, everyone hates you, you are miserable and lonely and you don't even leave the house.

Pretty depressing...

 

[Vibescu]

NTR community? Incest community? What is it, a kind of sect?
I'm begining to feel pity for DS for the amount of fanboys that has gathered his game.

 

[dickermax]

NTR community? Incest community? What is it, a kind of sect?
I'm begining to feel pity for DS for the amount of fanboys that has gathered his game.

it's modern urban machismo

 

[Blades1138]

Maybe I'm a weirdo or getting it all wrong but I don't have any major problems with the game writing...

To me, Max is portrayed mostly as a young, hormone-driven sociopath who is eager to bang anything with tits. I see his incestious tendancies mostly as "targets of opportunity" since he never leaves the house and rarely shows any true empathy towards his family. Likewise, the women never seem to initiate with him. In that sense, the incest is incidental. So, I don't mind if he wants to bang Olivia, other than the fact that she is fake-tan-orange. IMO, the 3-somes with her and Lisa are among the hottest scenes in the game and I would probably pursue that path every time if the content wasn't mutually exclusive to Lisa's lessons.

I don't have a problem with Ann being consumed by Eric either. We don't really know how long it's been since she has had a lover prior to him. It could have been a very long time. In those circumstances, it's not unthinkable that she would be D-whipped from the outset. It's not her fault that she is not a strong and individualistic woman. That said, it's apparent that she is mostly just interested in the sexual aspect of their relationship as once you begin giving Eric the limp-dick pills, his influence rapidly plummets. Aside from that, we should consider that in a healthy BDSM relationship, it is the submissive who wields the ultimate power because it is by their consent that they are dominated. I'm not saying that their relationship is totally healthy but am also not inclined to believe that she is abused (beyond her consent) by him either (aside from the larger con-job).

With that in mind, I am not completely surprised when Ann is willing to take the word of her lover over that of her sociopathic son. However, I do think it would be appropriate for confrontations about Eric's peeping to serve in reducing Eric's influence (perhaps even lower his maximum influence over her).

Now, before anyone accuses me of being an Eric loving cuck, let me say that I hate the dude and take massive satisfaction in cock-blocking Eric at every turn. If done patiently and correctly, Eric will never touch either of Max's sisters or Aunt Kira. It's only too bad that certain paths seemingly can't progress until he is gone. I would love to be grinding Eric's gears by having him know that Max is buttfucking Lisa in the kitchen or having fun with her and Kira without him being able to do anything about it.

Sadly, I feel that the gameplay becomes super boring once Eric is gone (a hero is only as great as his nemesis, right?). Once he's gone, I have no motivation to visit the ladies of the house and find myself just waiting through whole days trying to get different progression events to trigger. Unfortunately, He eventually becomes a progression hinderance and there's no choice but to be rid of him. It is hinted there will be more content with him as a pawn in the future so I remain somewhat optimistic...

The hacker blackmail path has potential to become interesting. For reasons stated in-game, the bait and switch path to fucking Ann should not be so simple but I don't think it would preclude other entertaining scenarios such as Max jizzing on her while blindfolded or using toys on her. It is also hinted at that Max could find a consensual route to fucking Ann with Eric's help but that it would take some time to devise. I would laugh if indeed this became the quickest route to repeatedly fucking Ann (if not the only route).

There should also be a path to finding the hidden the camera that Eric has hidden in Ann's room (The one he uses to record Max and Kira). I think it's safe to assume he has also been recording himself and Ann and will be using these videos to help coerce Ann into signing over the house to him. Presumably, Max could threaten to tell Ann about it to further control Eric although there is a chance she would already know about the camera and being recorded.

Now, if DS really wanted to conflict folks, he would implement an opposite-spectrum mechanic to keeping Eric... Something like making it necessary to preserve a certain percentage of Eric's influence to keep him from cutting his losses and leaving on his own (after certain story flags have been set).

Ultimately, I'm pretty satisfied with the direction DS has taken so far and am happy to be a low-tier Patreon supporter. BB is more game than visual novel and I appreciate that. There's obviously still much potential for improvement. I hope we will be seeing much more "end-game/post-Eric" content and more variety in sexual encounters like Max titfucking Kira or exploring sleep encounters. It would also be great if you could completely cock-block Eric while he is at the house (ruin the morning bathroom scene).

Sorry for the TL: DR... just wanted to share some thoughts on a game that I think is pretty cool

If the points you make were portrayed at least somewhat realistically that would be OK, but the continuing complaint is that they're inconsistent and shallow. They exist simply to serve the gameplay, rather than have a compelling story altogether. Nobody initiates with Max because of the grind-style gameplay, he doesn't leave the house because that would require an entirely new location with options etc. etc.
What I fail to understand, when people justify Ann trusting Eric over Max, is where do you draw the line ? Would she allow Eric to bang Kira, Alice or Lisa due to being submissive ? If not, then why during a particular scene does she trust the person who's out naked with his dick in hand instead of her clothed son. How much more obvious could things be in that situation ? To top it off, Max is blamed for said act and suddenly turns so retarded he forgets to say he was going to the toilet. At this point you might argue that Max is actually retarded all the time, but how would he be able to take advantage of Alice in the Blog opportunity if that's the case ? Furthermore take another side of Max - anybody acting the way he does in real-life would be insta-shipped to military school without the need for Eric to suggest anything at all.
Inconsistency piled upon inconsistency, has desensitized some players to the point where they unconsciously accept them or excuse them with gameplay choices. Yes, these story points are made to serve the gameplay, but it's not impossible to have good gameplay which serves the story. As I've mentioned before - imagine if Eric wasn't a douchebag and built genuine affection with the rest of the family. The impact on gameplay would be roughly the same, but the story would become infinitely more mature/realistic than the juvenile fantasy it is right now.

P.S. I'd recommend trying out Dreaming of Dana to anyone who hasn't done so yet. Yes, the gameplay is much weaker than Big Brother, but writing-wise it's the best and most realistic (incest) story of any game. It proves you can have an interesting sexually charged narrative, without it devolving to nonsensical plot threads to create artificial drama.

 

[a1fox3]

Everyone has there own interpatation on this game and here are my thoughts on the "You Got To Fight For Him" Path.
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Disclaimer.
I have only played each of Lisa's path 1 time each but for the "You got to fight for him" which I have played now 6 times through to make sure I got ever thing.
My statements are base on my play going down the "You got to fight for him" path.

Mom:

A traumatized rape victim that is abused by a guy that is cheating on her that manipulates her in a way that she is ok with the fact of their son or daughter are in room when they have sex for educational purposes, and don't care he is actively trying to seduce the older sister even when you present to her a photo of him masturbating watching her.
So now in V0.6 your options are to abuse your mother or to convert her in a PornStar.

But she has total authority over Max and Max knows it. I never use what can be gotten from Erik I always tell him I will think about it to keep him at bay for as long as possible. Max is between a rock and a very hard place and is trying to fight for his family the only way he knows how. (You need to listen to aunts story about Anna, before the kidnapping she was just as head strong as Kira is but now is just a shell of her old self.)

Aunt:

That is a professional whore, but probably the only one that cares for you.

No to this 100%, all of them care for Max. Mother does but she is being controlled by Erik. Big sister loves Max as big sisters do by being snarky and putting him down but deep down inside she cares for him.
Now little sister took me a long time to figure out, she is secretly in love with Max and if you play through the "You need to fight for him" path and if the english translation from russian would have brought the passion over you can see it.
There is still a lot of hints to this in the english game and if you look for them you will see them.

Big Sister: An interested bitch that hates you and only cares for the one that give her the best gifts and money no matter who he is. And the only way you can get something from her is if you pay weed to her pimp or make her drunk.

This is only her outward persona and if you watch each pic you can pick up on her secret love for all her family. Typical big sister attitude is how she is portrayed. A lot of the passion is lost in translation but there are a lot of hints to this. The very first time you get to spank Alice when you catch her smoking and you chose the right response she thinks its a complement and if she hated Max this would not happen.

Little Sister: You can convince her to do things she don't want to do with you and later use the love and respect she have for aunt to force her keep doing thins she don't want to do with you or let an untruthful guy to drug her so you can have his GF.

Now little sister took me a long time to figure out, she is secretly in love with Max and if you play through the "You need to fight for him" path and if the english translation from russian would have brought the passion over you can see it.
There is still a lot of hints to this in the english game and if you look for them you will see them.
Go back to the opening story, what teenage girl who is offered her own bedroom turns it down to sleep in the same room her brother is in, this is the first hint from Lisa.
The first major tell for this is when they both got off while Lisa was watching porn on her phone, she open up to Max at that time and showed her true feelings for him.
One of the first major tell tells is when aunt came in the first time for training, the next day she tells Max that Lisa got wet very fast and this is not normal for one who does not want it.


Lisa is using Alex to make Max jealous so he will chase her more. Secret love is great.
Every convo you have with Lisa just watch her face you can see it there when you are looking for it.
I have just started my 7th playthrough and am seeing more and more now that I know to look for them.
Even Alice tells Max that he is great early in the game if you have done the right convo with her. If you play as if she is a bitch then you will miss it.

Once again I love the "You need to fight for him" path.

Max is limited in what he can do to keep Erik's authority down so he will not be sent to camp and must pay 300 a week to save his ass until he can take care of Erik and while doing this he has fallen in love with his whole family.
For big sister he has to pay her and give her massages to drive down Erik's authority.
Little sister he has to help her with homework and do the dishes.
For mom he has to walk in on her and give her a complement and watch a movie with her and later give her money to drive down Eirk's authority.

This is how I see what is going on in the "You got to fight for him" path.