Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[Blades1138]

Because that is exactly what Max himself is
as you will notice, when you disconnect from the characters and narrative, as you write yourself.

The whole game is about manipulation and corruption. So for one, Eric is just sowing the seeds for Max. Futhermore, Max (evil as he is) being Eric's apprentice (edit: via the blackmail path) feels just logical. (And it leaves some nice opportunities for threesome action...)

I think all these Eric haters just do not realise what kind of person Max is - in the end he is more authentic and honest than Max is.

You do realize the subtleties of character motivation right ? With Eric there's no 2 ways if interpreting his intentions.
However since Max is the player character if you identify with him you're free to put nuance into his motivation beyond what's externally obvious to those of you who see him from a 3rd person perspective. With that I can infuse him with genuine affection for his family, which he displays in awkward ways. OR I can decide he's the ultimate asshole of the ultimate galaxy, who's set out to beat his archnemesis Eric at his own game. Regardless of how I play, I have the freedom to choose. Now, please correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I feel like you can't view him beyond a single external perspective.
I hope everyone can finally accept that it's possible to experience a game in a different way than they do. And that when some of us suggest changes it's not to intended destroy certain gameplay/paths/choices, but to improve them in a way that can please both camps. Like right now anyone wanting to keep Eric is free to do so, with the caveat that his path hasn't been developed, because the focus is on more requested features.

 

[Darkaura]

I strongly dislike word "milking" in this context.

Chill, I am one OF them. I have made the argument that you are a top tier dev who puts out good content like clockwork. You have the best game interface of the lot. I can understand your sensitivity to the term, but I use it in the vernacular that all patrons fear a dev hitting it big, and then phoning it in. This is NOT the case for you, so far. Your pacing remains better than most. Professional even.

 

[Kaiadas]

So this has been going for a while and I thought that people would get the point but apparently not.

For those talking about not getting new content with eric / not being able to do anything when deciding eric to stay... it's completely normal. The path was split by DS.



Right... but that's because the patrons ara voting for content involving the path they want to see the most and they will do so in the future.
When the paths that the patrons like are fully developed the other paths will be developed, right now just deal with it or take a break from the game. I'll personally do that when the update is focused on the eric path and so will a lot of people, but as of right now the path without eric is the one that patrons and people want to see the most so it's logical for that path to be developed.

But Eric the eric without eric and what about ERIC!!!!1
I can see a spinoff game with only Max and Eric battling it out, and ending up discovering they're both gay and all that hatred was actually lust..and ending up happily married..the end.

On a more serious note, there's so many unresolved plot points that we should be focusing on, like:
Lisa.
She's already had all forms of sex with Max, but is still hesitant about her virginity cause "she wants to fall in love first".
Which would make sense for a person you haven't had ANY sexual progression with. But giving your ass to someone you don't love, and holding your precious virginity for "Muh feels" is unrealistic. And besides, doesn't she have any feelings for Max if she already decided to be his girlfriend cause "all guys suck"?
Alice.
Obviously has lust and feelings for Max as proven by the current dialogue in Blog and Couch scenes. By is repressing them for some reason.
1) Cause it's wrong? (but you are already having Sex for your blog!)
2) Cause she doesn't want to hurt Kate's feelings? (but Kate already made you suck and fuck Max for drugs and as a "Test" for her Mom. - What feelings?)
3) Cause she's a repressed Lesbian? (she already fucked Max, Eric and does a daily show for Men)
Kira.
Is a pornstar, she loves Max's sex drive, but shuts him off all the time cause "I'm your Aunt" (that you already raped, movie fucked, was sucked from etc) And don't get me started on the whole lust for her sister thing that is supposedly "wrong" after their lesbian-movie practice and sleeping naked next to eachother, but she'd rather take a shower with her niece every morning as if it's the most casual thing..?
Ann.
Would gladly help Max with his wrist problem, but won't go further cause "I'm your Mom and it's wrong" (just ignore the Handjobs and that we starred in a porno together) or would accept fucking in front of Max because Eric my future husband told me so...
Olivia.
Wants Max to fuck Lisa so bad, she repeats it in almost every sentence(despite being his girlfriend), and won't have any discussion with Lisa to convince her (they're supposed to be friends) but would rather have a threesome and just keep repeating the same "Do it Do it Lisa". If it didn't work the first 100 times why would it work the 101?
Alex.
Lost 2 girlfriends in less than a month, and is just "Ok with it"? He was presented as "simple", but noone's that simple(besides he was smart enough to try and drug Olivia through the wine). After becoming her official boyfriend, tries to have sex with Lisa, she says no, doesn't push her further(or worse try and rape her), but instead simply sleeps next to her naked ass without even touching her, and just disappears conveniently to give way for Max as Lisa's boyfriend. What a nice guy!
Max.
Wants to fuck anything that moves, is a manipulative bastard as much as Eric(if not more), uses blackmail, drugs, Hitman organisations, anything to remove any obstacle in his way, and supposedly has feelings for his sisters. Though we don't really know if he's honest or it's just a step further to get them where he wants.
We are supposed to root for this guy, and "become him" as we play this game, which means our perspective in this story is only through our "lower head" so basically nothing more than a walking Cock.

 

[Darkaura]

It would be interesting to see how these people hated Max if the roles are reversed. If we played as Eric

The game would be over by day 27, as you start with the Mom already, blackmail Kira, and rape drunk Alice at 3am. Lisa's cherry would not take long with Mom's help during Sex Ed. Eric is Way OP, plz nerf.

 

[Darkaura]

On a more serious note, there's so many unresolved plot points that we should be focusing on, like:
Lisa.
She's already had all forms of sex with Max, but is still hesitant about her virginity cause "she wants to fall in love first".
Which would make sense for a person you haven't had ANY sexual progression yet. But giving your ass to someone you don't love, and holding your precious virginity for "Muh feels" is unrealistic. And besides, doesn't she have any feelings for Max if she already decided to be his girlfriend cause "all guys suck"?

I can see why from a development standpoint. The work around the Lisa "training" is more than enough for a single update. It's a bone to the few folks who cry for anal, all in one place with one update. And you need at least a placeholder reason, until the rest of the game is flushed out and you get back to doing Lisa, not anal.

 

[JoeDoe07]

Max. Wants to fuck anything that moves, is a manipulative bastard as much as Eric(if not more), uses blackmail, drugs, Hitman organisations, anything to remove any obstacle in his way, and supposedly has feelings for his sisters. Though we don't really know if he's honest or it's just a step further to get them where he wants.
We are supposed to root for this guy, and "become him" as we play this game, which means our perspective in this story is only through our "lower head" so basically nothing more than a walking Cock.

Exactly my point.
The amount of identification for the Max character, paired with the hate the Eric character gets from the selfsame people really makes me wonder whether these people are just playing "a walking cock"... no offense.

 

[enokard]

So this has been going for a while and I thought that people would get the point but apparently not.

Maybe it's because people always forget :

 

[neodtst]

The game would be over by day 27, as you start with the Mom already, blackmail Kira, and rape drunk Lisa at 3am. Lisa's cherry would not take long with Mom's help during Sex Ed. Eric is Way OP, plz nerf.

no offense , but u are stating like Max is like a still dead duck as an opponent. Max definitely have more firepower in his arsenal than Eric if the perspective roles are reverse now. The problem is never Eric is OP or not , its is always becoz nobody like ppl to steal their women , thus the stupid NTR crapz , i can guarantee you , ppl will spit on Max when they play Eric(them) because incestous Max(enemy) steal their(Eric) women when they roleplay-ed into Eric

 

[Blades1138]

Exactly my point.
The amount of identification for the Max character, paired with the hate the Eric character gets from the selfsame people really makes me wonder whether these people are just playing "a walking cock"... no offense.

The amount of flaming on both sides of this argument makes me wonder if anyone's interested in an intellectual dialogue and finding common ground or they're just doing it to perpetuate a pointless game of tag.
Is it so difficult to consider other points of view ?

 

[Kaiadas]

I can see why from a development standpoint. The work around the Lisa "training" is more than enough for a single update. It's a bone to the few folks who cry for anal, all in one place with one update. And you need at least a placeholder reason, until the rest of the game is flushed out and you get back to doing Lisa, not anal.

What i fear will happen is we'll get to the point she'll finaly give her virginity to Max, we'll get a few renders and a repeatable fuck scene(like the anal one) and that's it. All that painful build up and grind, only to reach a dead end.
What i Hope would happen is, we get a new sexual progression path with Lisa(at least) where sex develops into a relationship of more than "Hey let's Fuck. - Ok thanks Bye", but rather an exploration and development of two teens into adults and their whole attitude towards sex is something fullfiling emotionaly and physically..
I know i'm asking too much, but DS has already created characters realistic enough(with their flaws) for us to be here and discuss, so the foundations are strong enough to build something unique.

 

[Darkaura]

all the egoistic harem lovers swooped in and changed the game to a vanilla

Because 50% or more, prefer Vanilla and hate NTR. I'm pretty sure DS likes money, I know I do. NTR is a niche fetish, hated by non-fans more than any other. It makes perfect financial sense for DS to back-burner that content, until the game is largely done. And the game is billed, from the beginning, on it's front page, as the "Incest Game of a Lifetime." If you want NTR, you may want to go looking elsewhere for a while. Perhaps for the "NTR Game of a Lifetime"

 

[Darkaura]

What i Hope would happen is, we get a new sexual progression path with Lisa(at least) where sex develops into a relationship of more than "Hey let's Fuck. - Ok thanks Bye", but rather an exploration and development of two teens into adults and their whole attitude towards sex is something fullfiling emotionaly and physically..

Sounds like the Olivia path to me. Except it is 3 teens, not two. And I FULLY endorse expanding that path, in that way.

 

[berny]

this hostility from the anti-eric faction is so annoying.
obviously DS had more of a corruption game in mind and then all the egoistic harem lovers swooped in and changed the game to a vanilla fest, now they even want romance ... nice ...

for me the game is destroyed by those people
i can't get it, there are so many games of this kind out there. eric and the corruption were part of the game from the start, why not shut up and leave, no ... they want to mold the game to their desires.

i hope the new game will be like the developer wants it to be and not go zigzag like it is now.
obviously DS is afraid the patrons run off and makes decisions not fitting to the game at all.

Haha, so true. I never was into NTR, I didn't despise it, since it's a game, but I never really was into it and still am not, but this whole Eric-hate kinda made me an NTR-supporter, basically because all this NTR-paranoia is destroying all non-harem games.
I mean people are even sharpening their pitchforks for games with no NTR content at all, just because one of the girls is talking to another man. I would go crazy if I were a developer.
And to top it all off, there is always this beta bullshit that makes some of them feel superior. Seriously, what does it say about your self-esteem when the thought of a VIRTUAL woman having sex with a VIRTUAL man is so unbearable?
Sorry for the rant, and to be clear, it's perfectly fine to hate all forms of NTR (not that you need my approval or anything), but all this NTR-hate, especially when there isn't any NTR at all, is getting really annoying.

 

[cypr]

Is it so difficult to consider other points of view ?

yes, that's total impossible for the anti-eric / anti-ntr faction (which isn't even ntr, cause well, max is the only sick bastard with his incest fetish and just wants sex - eric is just a player getting some score - but we discussed that already)
they want every woman and no other male in the game

all the pro-eric faction wants is some challenge and consequences of failing like it was in 0.3/4 - an acutal game - which is absolutely absent in the last 3 updates - now it's just click through the days until you unlock a scene and no failing after you get rid of eric

And to top it all, there is always this beta bullshit that makes them feel superior. Seriously, what does it say about your self-esteem, when the thought of a VIRTUAL woman having sex with a VIRTUAL man is so unbearable?

that's their problem, they identify themself too much with the MC and forget that they are looking at some pixels with a hard dick

 

[SilentFella]

I don't like Eric, and I think that is one thing that makes this game so good. Getting rid of him was a huge accomplishment. I would love more ways to get rid of him though. I am not an NTR fan, and my main issue with the game as a whole, right now, is cash earning. I hate feeling like I have to rob the mom every chance I get, especially early on.

As for Max, I don't see him worse than Eric. To me, if Eric was actually a nice guy and didn't try to send him to military school and turn his mom and sisters on h im, Max would of had few issues. But Eric brought it all on himself, and Max had to jump through hoops just to prove he wasn't the scumbag Eric made him out to be to his own family. And if he was a real scumbag, he wouldn't of tried so hard to save his family from Eric, even if it takes him a while in some routes. He is only truly an asshole when the player keeps Max as a voyeur, and lets Eric have free play with both his sisters and his mom, without even trying to change the situation.... course that route ends up in a game over, so that is a non route.

 

[elmandor]

Lol looks like ntr team gathered after DS shows up. You know whats funny you all act like you want goodness of the game. In reality you just want your fetish dominate the game. You are not different any of the ntr hater. Difference is that your fetish is NOT tolerable for lots of people. I saw in every topic same 4-5 people blaming people crying while they are the ones keeps crying.
Game is going good. Lisa knows about camshow Alice knows about lessons. Movies with mom and aunt. One of sisters can join. So many possibilities.

 

[berny]

that's their problem, they identify themself too much with the MC and forget that they are looking at some pixels with a hard dick

Personally I'm with you, I think some people take this way too seriously, but that's not what I meant.
If people want to identify themselves with the MC, no problem, I think we all do it to some degree. If I understand it correctly, the whole concept of NTR is to be jealous, so how can you be jealous if you don't care about the people?
What bothers me is this beta nonsense some keep repeating, like all people who don't feel the same way are wusses in rl with a low self-esteem, although you could easily argue the other way around.

 

[PinkHead]

I don't really have preference on whether Eric should stay or go or whatever (I'm fine with however DS wanted to create the game in his vision), but boy oh boy, the amount of anger that anti-Eric seem to spout really started to make me concerned. I have never really seen such hatred toward a video game character like this.

Maybe it's time creating some new characters to share hatred of Eric!:tf:
There was a vote for Max go outside sometimes,maybe he can meet some worse than Eric.

 

[Ignazzio]

Incest and NTR just don't fit together. Incest is a fantasy - it's as unrealistic as it's possible and in fact it's less possible than bestiality in a given by any patreon game setting. On the other hand NTR is highly realistic as it's based on psychological reactions. It's brutal and painfull but it's realistic. Incest fans won't like NTR as it's agressive toward their fantasy and vice versa. Still, numbers say that more diversity in a game even when it was purely NTR didn't affect it's pupularity so that's a wrong assumption stating that NTR would make patrons withdraw

 

[john_jones21]

Of course it way too late to change plot story, but I still want to have a feedback to understand what is working good and what is working not so good as planned.

It's too late to redo all the renders but not to change the story around them. Why not make Eric the dad and develop the plotline around him returning? You then have an incest plot that can also satisfy those that enjoy NTR/voyeur.

Also the problem with Eric isn't just NTR, it was that Max was completely shut out from what was going on. He got very occasional peeks but that was it.