Unity Abandoned Big Brother [v0.13.0.007] [Dark Silver]

[thjis1]

Greyelf, I would respectfully suggest that is more based on opinion than a factual statement. I keep seeing people make your argument. I understand the concept of patronage. I would point out that many organizations use the term, consumer, customer, patron, access user etc to describe individuals that access their service (charitable, governmental etc). To some degree the terms are used interchangeable and are based on what image the company wishes to present.

I however, would suggest that I pay to access his early releases and I am buying that right. He has offered a product "said access" for sale. His product is access to the early development, input and access to tips. I could defend it as a service, "access to tips" this again would make me a customer. He is also promising delivery of a update," a product" by a certain time and denying me access if I fail to pay. Including protections to keep non-paying individuals out. Sounds like a business relationship. In addition, he has a sliding scale for this access based on my payment. I do not consider any organization that charges levels of access to be anything less than a business. In fact, given his actions and statements, I don't actually see any patronage in it at all.

If this was truly a patronage relationship, in the traditional sense, I would give him money and there would be no strings or requirements in the relationship. There are individuals that understand this on Patreon and I give several of them money. Not that it is relevant here, but I am encouraging my disabled, "Consumers" (we used to call them DEFENDANTS in the court system), individuals to start patreon accounts to make an income. So again I am looking at it as a business. Regardless of the name of the business, they are offering a services for sale, not pandering for patronage.

Product:
an article or substance that is manufactured or refined for sale:
"marketing products and services"
He is marketing, he is making promises and encouraging payments by granting services

 

[thjis1]

Sorry my ADHD brain is on a roll, I would cite the following example.. You become a Gym PATRON, you pay monthly fees for a service, access to their equipment and facility. Would you not expect a certain level of services and are you a customer or a patron.

 

[Yevaud6]

Greyelf, I would respectfully suggest that is more based on opinion than a factual statement. I keep seeing people make your argument. I understand the concept of patronage. I would point out that many organizations use the term, consumer, customer, patron, access user etc to describe individuals that access their service (charitable, governmental etc). To some degree the terms are used interchangeable and are based on what image the company wishes to present.

I however, would suggest that I pay to access his early releases and I am buying that right. He has offered a product "said access" for sale. His product is access to the early development, input and access to tips. I could defend it as a service, "access to tips" this again would make me a customer. He is also promising delivery of a update," a product" by a certain time and denying me access if I fail to pay. Including protections to keep non-paying individuals out. Sounds like a business relationship. In addition, he has a sliding scale for this access based on my payment. I do not consider any organization that charges levels of access to be anything less than a business. In fact, given his actions and statements, I don't actually see any patronage in it at all.

If this was truly a patronage relationship, in the traditional sense, I would give him money and there would be no strings or requirements in the relationship. There are individuals that understand this on Patreon and I give several of them money. Not that it is relevant here, but I am encouraging my disabled, "Consumers" (we used to call them DEFENDANTS in the court system), individuals to start patreon accounts to make an income. So again I am looking at it as a business. Regardless of the name of the business, they are offering a services for sale, not pandering for patronage.

Product:
an article or substance that is manufactured or refined for sale:
"marketing products and services"
He is marketing, he is making promises and encouraging payments by granting services

does all of this even matter? I know topics for this game are dry till the update, but there must be something more productive to do with this thread till then. Like how exactly I got Alice to a flirty relationship. I stupidly backtracked to make a new aunt decision and now I can't get her above friend. I'm pretty darn sure I didn't use the candy yet.

 

[thjis1]

No it does not matter one bit, we all will pay or not. We will all play or not. I just wanted to express a thought, as I keep seeing people post the "its a patronage" whenever anyone complains about the cost return value on any of these games. I apologize to anyone who took offense and will gleefully return to my dark lustful thoughts of Liza. My favorite...

I do like this game more than any other I am currently watching. It might be the amount of time I have played, but it has replaced superpowered as the one I anticipate the most. I think evil Eric is part my interest, as I want to get the full game so I can go head to head with him and beat him. I do think DS's payment structure is greedy as hell. He makes more than I do and I have a job and a fledgling business. I "believe" I put more hours a day into my work than he does, but who knows. Got to love free enterprise, but I don't expect to give him another $40. I had to drop several other creators for that and given his last post... I am going to spread my limited resources back out.

 

[AnonX]

Edit: Also @AnonX : hogwash! Alice is clearly best girl.

Currently I agree, I am definitely waiting for mor Alice content than Lisa. Once the ball gets rolling on the mother, maybe I'll reconsider.

Nay-sayers and ruffians, the lot of you! Alice is but a dalliance, a spark of the loins and no more, sullied and tarnished by Eric's vile paws; Lisa is the one and only you call girlfriendo. I gave up having a hot nudist blondie around the house for her, and she said quite clearly that "we could try some anal and oral" action, and I WANT THAT ACTION XDXDXDXD

Seriously now, i only care about the sisters. The mother is hot, sure, and i wouldn't mind having a slice of that pie, but this whole thing with side characters and beating around the bush is frustrating. I was really looking forward for some Lisa content, since acquiring girlfriend status did not really make any difference in version 0.3 :/

 

[greyelf]

I would respectfully suggest that is more based on opinion than a factual statement

You become a Gym PATRON, you pay monthly fees for a service, access to their equipment and facility. Would you not expect a certain level of services and are you a customer or a patron.

It's based on the fact that unless you're in the same legal region (can be country / state / city depending on the related laws of said region if they exist) as the developer in question then there is unlikely to be contract law that legally covers the relationship in question thus why I stated you are donating your money to them, it is also why it could be legally difficult to force them to supply whatever incentive they promised to encourage you to donate your money to them.

As to being a Gym 'PATRON' (wrongly used word) this is the reason you generally sign a contract with the gym in question, just because people like to use words interchangeably does not mean the legal terms behind/related-to them can be interchange the same way.

 

[ikaruga]

If you think that, you don't understand what Patreon is about.
Patreon isn't about buying games. If you want to do that, go to Steam.
Patreon is about funding projects.
Also, you don't need to pay 40$... The lowest tier, with game access, is 5$, which makes 60$/year... The price of an AAA game.

I understand what you said, and i agree.
But if founding is not paying the game, but supporting the creator of the game to do it, why everyone is not abakur style ? He offer everything he did, for nothing, and got plenty of money.
That the "right" way to fund a game creator.

You can't mix "pay me to do what i like" and "pay me to enjoy what i did with your money"

 

[ikaruga]

Hell I have already gone through the opening to many times. I hate the intro dinner sequences..

Even in original version of the game, there was a way to skip whole first dinner. Will be modded in 0.4. As i'll skip the whole thing or add "suggestion" to mom about punishing my sisters

As long as I get to re-purchase liquor candy, I'm happy. Till then I'll mod it

With the current version of the mod, you got unlimited chocolate in one box, instead a box with 1 chocolate

 

[User_10739]

Guys that you donate to that make the content available to everyone is a case of patronage or supporting the development of a game, when only those who pay get the game it is sales/selling because you are getting a tangible item in return for your payment.

The proper analogy would be that of a magazine subscription, if you pay you get the magazine if you don't pay you don't get it but you can still keep all the back issues. You wouldn't consider yourself a patron of the magazine you are literally buying them.

 

[sigterm]

I understand what you said, and i agree.
But if founding is not paying the game, but supporting the creator of the game to do it, why everyone is not abakur style ? He offer everything he did, for nothing, and got plenty of money.
That the "right" way to fund a game creator.

You can't mix "pay me to do what i like" and "pay me to enjoy what i did with your money"

What "triggers" me is that people say that asking 40$ is too much. It might as well be, but first you are not required to pay that amount to play the game, you can do that by only paying 5$. Second, you have the option of not paying at all and play the latest public version.

Think of it this way. If a AAA game takes, let's say, 1 year to be developed (usually it takes longer), you can play it when it releases by paying (normally), 60$. What people on Patreon let you do is play their games as they are being developed.

You may argue that some developers charge too much for what they deliver, and I agree. In those cases you have the option of staying away.

All of this is moot if you go the piracy route.

 

[TCMS]

Seriously if this is going to turn into a 3 page discussion about the patreon model you can leave this thread and go to the general discussions.

 

[dartis]

While I don't think having this conversation here is hurting anyone, I would like to add that the topic has been exhausted. At this point it looks ready to turn into a match where both sides try to score meaningless points. And I don't think that's a productive debate to have anywhere. Here or the general discussions.

And it doesn't matter where you stand on patreon or how the creator operates. Scale will always win the battle of attrition; regardless of whether the creator sets our computers to self-destruct or download all MLP Porn.

 

[Firebane]

Jokes on him for that last idea. Those Anthro versions of them are pretty hot.

 

[JR81]

I missed this :heartcoveredeyes:

Spoiler: Tittie rub

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[OttO]

I don't see the reason for argument, to all the people that preach "You don't buy anything on patreon etc." the only thing I would say is: Support the creators, they need your money (with all the implications this statement brings ).

 

[sigterm]

Anyway, back on topic... I'm a little skeptical about 0.4.
I hope I'm wrong, but I think we'll have a decrease in the amount of content compared with 0.2 -> 0.3.

Like I said... I hope I'm wrong.

 

[ikaruga]

The dev said that it'll be less "more content" for 0.3 -> 0.4 than for 0.2 -> 0.3.
But finally there will always more content for us
He's working quality before quantity, i agree with this decision. He needs to master his art thru all different scenes already implemented, and working for it. Wise move

 

[jason95821]

Can this be played on android phone

 

[TCMS]

Can this be played on android phone

Platform: Windows

 

[Yevaud6]

Seriously if this is going to turn into a 3 page discussion about the patreon model you can leave this thread and go to the general discussions.

Agreed, can someone create this thread and make post a link so we can stop clogging up this thread. Clearly my comment a couple pages ago did nothing. I think I'll just ignore new posts till the 7th since 0.4 doesn't release until then.