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Oh this is absolutely the case. There is even a counter for how many sex ed lessons Lisa had with Erik. You don't make a counter like that unless you intend to use it. That and the early conversations with Lisa hint that something was going on in there. I think it would have taken a while (I think the counter goes up to 9) but I have no doubt Eric would have fucked Lisa in the last one, but that didn't happen for a bunch of reasons. And that my friends would have good old fashioned Japanese style soul crushing NTR, full stop. The whole this girl is being stolen and corrupted under my nose and I stand there cucked thing. (Not the hint that someone might be interested in the girl eventually, or that some girls in the game have sex lives outside of the MC that some here call NTR.)

Oh and in no way is he not sleeping with drunk Alice, she just doesn't remember. (Also it's BS that there are no renders for that, if you're going to go there, at least have the balls to go there.)

That changed though, mainly because not only did people HATE Eric, and with good reason mind you, there is no way to salvage either the Olivia plot, or the Lisa GF plot if Lisa has been corrupted by Eric already. You'd essentially need a third route, one with an already defiled Lisa and Max. Considering how hard a time DS has in handling the Olivia/Lisa branch already, a third line would suck. It would have to be completely different, and it couldn't even be merged like the Olivia/Lisa stories could be, as the entire crux of both of those is Lisa's virginity and lack of experience.

Which is why the Eric story line was such crap in the first place, it was never handled well, and there have been more than enough posts in this thread dissecting why, hell I've even written a few. I do have to say though, I think what bothers me the most with the Eric stuff is the scenes like the above, it's a game about peeping, if you are going to have a sex-ed sequence with Ann, Lisa, and Eric, just friggen show it. Not anywhere near the top of my list of things I want to see, but since its still in the game, it feels incomplete just sitting there. I guess I'm OCD like that, I want to see all the content, and all the scenes even if I'm not into a particular thing.
yeah we will never know. as you said there was enough evidence, that eric should have played a larger role in the game but then DS decided to give the direction of the content into patron hands by voting or going with the flow. he gave enough hints for a full ntr/cuck/corruption game but never really went the whole way of showing everything except kate (and we know the outrage it caused, i think that was were he got cold feet)

but instead of rewriting the start of the game, he kept him in with this incomplete storyline and you get kind of another game after you get rid of him (and there is no reason to keep him in the house because he stopped doing eric content at all after like 0.5?)

i don't know, he should either go through with it or just erase him completely - so we now have the situation that people still get angry at eric starting the game and people that aren't satisfied with the lack of eric content.

it's bad decision making on top of bad writing and many logic errors (like you can't use your own installed cams, but the whole world can.)
 

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I told DS he should have taken a scapel to the eric shite and removed him completely. He said he didn't want to waste already created content. I sort of understand, but, only a handful of people like that crap anyways and it is just hugely out of place and pace when compared to the rest of the game.
 

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I told DS he should have taken a scapel to the eric shite and removed him completely. He said he didn't want to waste already created content. I sort of understand, but, only a handful of people like that crap anyways and it is just hugely out of place and pace when compared to the rest of the game.
Yeah, Eric doesn't fit into the game at this point, and his presence there is just a barrier to new members. At the very least he should program in a path that lets you avoid Eric altogether. I would think that could join up with the main path pretty easily after Eric is taken care of. People wouldn't have minded Eric nearly so much if he wasn't so unavoidable. There's obviously some people that enjoy that kind of thing. But to inflict that on the entire audience wasn't a good move.
 
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So many people complaining about Eric, he's already entirely avoidable. The initial fun of BB was getting rid of him, as long as you never let him get too far. Eric never had lessons with Lisa in any of my play throughs and I got rid of him the first time before he even had sex with Kira - only discovered the whole Kira bit when I replayed it and was too late.
 

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yeah we will never know. as you said there was enough evidence, that eric should have played a larger role in the game but then DS decided to give the direction of the content into patron hands by voting or going with the flow. he gave enough hints for a full ntr/cuck/corruption game but never really went the whole way of showing everything except kate (and we know the outrage it caused, i think that was were he got cold feet)

but instead of rewriting the start of the game, he kept him in with this incomplete storyline and you get kind of another game after you get rid of him (and there is no reason to keep him in the house because he stopped doing eric content at all after like 0.5?)

i don't know, he should either go through with it or just erase him completely - so we now have the situation that people still get angry at eric starting the game and people that aren't satisfied with the lack of eric content.

it's bad decision making on top of bad writing and many logic errors (like you can't use your own installed cams, but the whole world can.)
The issue with Eric is that he is too ingrained in the game to remove, and not enough of a part of the game to be worthwhile. He kinda sits in Limbo. If you remove him, you lose a lot of the impetus for Ann's character growth after he leaves, as well as a first hand understanding of just how broken she actually is. If you keep him in, then you are left with an incomplete route that does nothing other than put roadblocks in front of the player for an extended period of time. He also makes it INCREDIBLY difficult in the early game fro fresh, non-cheating players. Unless you pull the perfect @a1fox3 run that he loves so much you will constantly be fighting a losing battle. It's nearly impossible without a guide to even get enough money to buy the clothes for the girls before he does, and you have to know exactly how to deal with the wallet situation, how to deal with him peeping, and the like to keep the girls un-corrupted.

That and since the gameplay in this game is awful you are grinding for hours, swimming upstream trying to just beat this guy, with no good feedback as to your progress. Even worse, while its happening you are getting practically no real sexy stuff to tide you over. Once he's gone though, the game goes from frustrating and bad gameplay, to absolutely NO gameplay. It's just click and wait, click and wait for hours at a time.

Man, the gameplay in BB really is awful isn't it?

I do think it would be interesting to do an Eric corruption mod which at least fleshes out the behind closed door stuff, mixed with a camera mod it would at least make that part of the game feel complete. I know though that wouldn't be toe everyone's taste, and that is definitely fair.
 
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I do think it would be interesting to do an Eric corruption mod which at least fleshes out the behind closed door stuff, mixed with a camera mod it would at least make that part of the game feel complete. I know though that wouldn't be toe everyone's taste, and that is definitely fair.
As much as I hate Eric and NTR, at this point if there were an actual scene where you could watch Eric fucking Lisa, I'd probably check it out just so I could see anyone fucking her. It doesn't appear that Max will be doing it anytime soon.

My biggest objection to any more content with Eric is that it would take time away from other stuff. Although at this point that other stuff isn't likely to be Ann or Lisa stuff. It would be taking time away from more Alice stuff, or new stuff with Olivia or Vicky or Eve or whoever else DS decides to add, so I shouldn't object too much I guess. Maybe it's just that over time my hatred for Eric has been dulled somewhat by just losing interest in the game, and in the characters he was trying to dominate and control. I'm less frustrated at DS over the Eric thing, and more frustrated over recent updates and game direction.
 

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Played the game again with new updates(last played like 0.6) and im starting to dislike the aunt(storywise - hiding some stuff etc) i dunno why. Someone else feel that way too? Im starting to have the same feeling i had with eric after some time, but he annoyed me since the beginning tho and now its coming again. hope at some point we will be able to start our own business without her at all.
 
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Played the game again with new updates(last played like 0.6) and im starting to dislike the aunt(storywise - hiding some stuff etc) i dunno why. Someone else feel that way too? Im starting to have the same feeling i had with eric after some time, but he annoyed me since the beginning tho and now its coming again. hope at some point we will be able to start our own business without her at all.
At the end of v.10 she is only involved in the porn movie making, no more anal with Lisa and Max.
 

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Congratulations, you have earned the reward for making the largest understatement in this thread, ever.
Thank you! I try!:tf:

As much as I hate Eric and NTR, at this point if there were an actual scene where you could watch Eric fucking Lisa, I'd probably check it out just so I could see anyone fucking her. It doesn't appear that Max will be doing it anytime soon.

My biggest objection to any more content with Eric is that it would take time away from other stuff. Although at this point that other stuff isn't likely to be Ann or Lisa stuff. It would be taking time away from more Alice stuff, or new stuff with Olivia or Vicky or Eve or whoever else DS decides to add, so I shouldn't object too much I guess. Maybe it's just that over time my hatred for Eric has been dulled somewhat by just losing interest in the game, and in the characters he was trying to dominate and control. I'm less frustrated at DS over the Eric thing, and more frustrated over recent updates and game direction.
I'm in the same boat honestly. Not a fan of NTR as a thing, but damn it, the situations EXIST in the game, and not seeing them just kinda makes it worse. At least you can KNOW what's going on there, instead the constant doubt. Heh.

Played the game again with new updates(last played like 0.6) and im starting to dislike the aunt(storywise) i dunno why. Someone else feel that way too? Im starting to have the same feeling i had with eric after some time, but he annoyed me since the beginning tho and now its coming again.
Kira is essentially an Eric who is on your side. And that's why some are becoming disenchanted with her.

The issue with both Kira and Eric is that they drive the story more than the player ever does. Max, outside of his relationship with Lisa is ENITRELY reactive. Eric moves the plot while he is in the house, and Kira moves the plot once Eric leaves. Even Alice's plot is moved forward by Kate. I think that's part of the reason the Lisa paths are so popular. It's Max actually doing shit himself, like setting the Olivia plan in motion, or tracking down Kira for lessons, or even convincing Lisa, instead of following what others tell him every step of the way.

And at least with Eric there was technically some player agency because you had the awful "gameplay". Kira doesn't even have that.
 
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Eric and Kira are both manipulative for sure, the difference is Kira is the carrot (who also cares for the family) while Eric is the stick (who just wants to dominate).
 
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In the next update we will see what has happen with Kate and Alice because I see Kate getting both dogie style sex to getting spanked by Max.

Kira has only the porn movie make now because she no longer does anal with Max and Lisa after the handcuffs come into the game.
 
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