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Burt Reynolds Mustache said:
Well I can't read those posts as I'm not a patron. Maybe, I dunno, post the text?

And relax man, you're making this shit political. Myths and lies? Christ.

Anyhow, look, DS can say he never intended to make an NTR game all he wants. Maybe he even meant it.

It won't change the fact that he made an NTR game. Or at least a game with NTR elements.

I mean in the game as it stands, even if we take away him fucking Ann, he can go from basically raping Kira to her loving it. That is TEXTBOOK NTR.
No textbook NTR is about someone fucking a woman that belongs to you!
And I'm making it political because I am Fing sick and tired of the Erica's claiming this was supposed to be an NTR game but got ruined over Incest fans requesting ACTUAL INCEST in a game tagged as INCEST but not NTR!

Most of the people who complained didn't complain because Eric was fucking mom, they complained because Max wasn't fucking anyone and all he could do was peep and Eric was a big reason why that was true.
Once the method for getting rid of him was made the complaints about Eric being there died down and the complaints then became all about his story and content development ending by a few handful of erica's pining for more content featuring him.
 
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I am not taking sides or trying to cause problems, so please do NOT take offense.

Please stop the talk of NTR. At his point it doesn't matter if it is or isn't. We have had issues of with this line of discussion in the past and MODERATORS have gotten involved. If you wish to continue this talk please move to PMs so the Mods don't get involved in this thread again.

Once again, Please do NOT take offense, just trying to keep the Mods showing up (bad things can happen when they do).

P.S. Moderators are wonderful kind people, and are to be thanked and appreciated. (was that to much??)
 
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Holy fuck, you guys are really still so into this discussion. Eight hundred pages later, even.

I admit I have sort of a no-sharing "Mine! Mine! Mine!" approach to these games (I like feeling ... significant, I suppose) but debating it ad nauseam doesn't seem to accomplish anything. Dude makes a game and maybe changes some stuff as it goes. I enjoy it and return to play again or I delete and move on instead. Maybe I invest and get to have a say but probably not. Shouting my wishes against the storm that builds with or without me just makes me feel ... insignificant.

Full disclosure: Yes I hate what Eric represents in the early stages of this game and when I see that model elsewhere I still grit my teeth in reflexive agitation.
Eh, the NTR/Eric talk is just this forum's Kirk vs Picard. It will always come back, because it's fun to debate and discuss shit. It also doesn't help that besides being inherently controversial, Eric is pretty much integral to the game, and not only that but insanely memorable. He's an awful character, and a worse human but you just cannot forget the time he was in the game, no matter how hard you try. He really may be the most loathed character in gaming.

Nope don't need any outside NPC's screwing up the game.
Too late for that my friend.:confused:
 

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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. The MOST vile/hated character in gaming (to those who have played the original Knights of the Old Republic) is Carth Onasi. Lord I hate that guy, Always want to shove a Light sabre where the sun don't shine, SIDEWAYS, and then turn it on. :)

So, we have the upcoming Alice/Lisa focused update (with Alice and Max getting caught by Ann/Mom). Then the Olivia update which will HOPEFULLY make that path playable with all the content. So will the update after that be the BIG ONE where DS gives us full access to Ann/Mom?? I almost feel that we will at least see the various paths coming together (finally), and may have a 'finished' game in about 4-5 updates. Yes there may be a couple extras with bonus scenes and themes like vacations and such, but it just feels like DS may be trying to finish this game and move on to something new with the Focused updates. Nah, will be another 5 YEARS before we get Ann/Mom and Lisa. :)

Just some thoughts. :)
 
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. The MOST vile/hated character in gaming (to those who have played the original Knights of the Old Republic) is Carth Onasi. Lord I hate that guy, Always want to shove a Light sabre where the sun don't shine, SIDEWAYS, and then turn it on. :)
Please as far as hateable characters go Carth isn't even in the top 10, he's boring as shit sure but can he hold a candle to:



I think fucking not.
 
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NO! it doesn't have strong NTR elements....Read what DS said...Eric is NOT NTR, Mom is not Max's woman and Neither was Kira! You only IMAGINED it was NTR because you wanted it to be, It's what you want MORE of...
Oh I do agree it's not a real NTR. I wasn't the one who came up with this term back then and I agree it's not a real deal when it comes to incest. But it feels like that and is called as such by everyone here. Your panic is just a prove that you feel it as well. Still, it's just a pointless semantic - this element exist regardless of defnition. It's called NTR cuz people can't properly define it.
 

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hi every one again!
i´ve finished all the oportunities but I have a couple of scenes that i cant play and i dont know if it because i dont know how to go to it or i cant play it yet. The first scene is how to go to sleep with ann? and the second one is how to go to sleep with alice and how to make the lisa your you fuck with alice....
And other ask is if you know where can i download the game save editor, i saw it but i dont know where it is now....
Thanks!
 

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I think some of the funniest things are the ones that arent meant to be. Like how easily Kira manages to get Ann to have lesbian sex with her, but it takes weeks of complaining and persuasion to let her own son see her topless.
 
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most of them writen by poster
one of cracking moment
at 0.10 we gone doc with mom
and mom wanking max front of doc

most funny perverted is lisa
again last crack up after alice threating lisa and max
lisa waiting eagerly and relaxed
all rational pervert
dont wory im sure alice deserve fun too
or like she said she cant told mom was her bed and she filmed us


u can convice kate as partner alice
but olivia need to sneak up up.and worst then kate. u need drug them

and why
is max scared mom learn he has gf so he cant get hj/bj then fuck mom

is that why he give everyone sleeping pills lol
 

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hi
sorry if this is not the right place,but could someone tell which mod is the best one?preferably the one with fan art works?
thanks
 
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Oh I do agree it's not a real NTR. I wasn't the one who came up with this term back then and I agree it's not a real deal when it comes to incest. But it feels like that and is called as such by everyone here. Your panic is just a prove that you feel it as well. Still, it's just a pointless semantic - this element exist regardless of defnition. It's called NTR cuz people can't properly define it.
Yeah, but even if we use the definition of NTR that they use for the tag at the vndb, BB fits pretty well.

Netorare (寝取られ) is a sexual fetish designed to cause sexual jealousy by way of having the heroine indulge in sexual activity with someone other than the protagonist.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:
1. The heroine either must be romantically involved with the protagonist, a potential romance for him or of someone that the protagonist shares such a close relationship (sister, mother, osananajimi etc.) that jealousy is a factor.

2. Related sexual events are explicitly shown to the player or later described in detail.

This does not include relationships of heroines that are outside the route you follow. Explanation: Route 1 is for Heroine A, the protagonist is romantically involved with her. During that route, if she sleeps with other characters than the protagonist, it would be NTR. But during Route 2, which is about Heroine B, where the protagonist has no romantic relationship with Heroine A, her having sex with others wouldn't count as NTR.


If we look at point #1 BB fits the set up like a glove. All the ladies in the game are not only potential "romances" for Max, they are also related to him. All the scenes with Eric and the girls are meant to inspire jealousy in the player. So the stuff with Ann and Kira absolutely fits because you see all of the sex is SHOWN to you. Kira specifically is she starts off being blackmailed then comes to enjoy it (or can, anyway)

The only reason that the Alice stuff wouldn't be NTR is because the sex happens behind closed doors and was not actually implemented with images, though we know it happens, the stuff with Lisa as well, though as it stands when the idea was dropped, there is at least plausible deniability that nothing really happened.

But you are right, even if you don't want to call it netorare, the stuff with Eric provides the exact same emotional response in the people who hate it.
 

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hi every one again!
i´ve finished all the oportunities but I have a couple of scenes that i cant play and i dont know if it because i dont know how to go to it or i cant play it yet. The first scene is how to go to sleep with ann? and the second one is how to go to sleep with alice and how to make the lisa your you fuck with alice....
And other ask is if you know where can i download the game save editor, i saw it but i dont know where it is now....
Thanks!
Wrong thread, please go here for answers:
 

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Yeah, but even if we use the definition of NTR that they use for the tag at the vndb, BB fits pretty well.

Netorare (寝取られ) is a sexual fetish designed to cause sexual jealousy by way of having the heroine indulge in sexual activity with someone other than the protagonist.

For a game to be classified as Netorare the following conditions must be met:
1. The heroine either must be romantically involved with the protagonist, a potential romance for him or of someone that the protagonist shares such a close relationship (sister, mother, osananajimi etc.) that jealousy is a factor.

2. Related sexual events are explicitly shown to the player or later described in detail.

This does not include relationships of heroines that are outside the route you follow. Explanation: Route 1 is for Heroine A, the protagonist is romantically involved with her. During that route, if she sleeps with other characters than the protagonist, it would be NTR. But during Route 2, which is about Heroine B, where the protagonist has no romantic relationship with Heroine A, her having sex with others wouldn't count as NTR.


If we look at point #1 BB fits the set up like a glove. All the ladies in the game are not only potential "romances" for Max, they are also related to him. All the scenes with Eric and the girls are meant to inspire jealousy in the player. So the stuff with Ann and Kira absolutely fits because you see all of the sex is SHOWN to you. Kira specifically is she starts off being blackmailed then comes to enjoy it (or can, anyway)

The only reason that the Alice stuff wouldn't be NTR is because the sex happens behind closed doors and was not actually implemented with images, though we know it happens, the stuff with Lisa as well, though as it stands when the idea was dropped, there is at least plausible deniability that nothing really happened.

But you are right, even if you don't want to call it netorare, the stuff with Eric provides the exact same emotional response in the people who hate it.
Ofc it fits but NTR is Japanese term for a reason. Japanese adult games usually have routes on which you have romance with 1 girl. Harems are unlockable after that. In most of the western games every female character is romantic object regardless of her relations to MC. That's a reason why some people feel that every male character in a game is NTR. In my opinion NTR rarely fits perfectly into definition when it comes to western games. Incest games are even more complex as I've never played any Japanese incest game with NTR as incest isn't as strong there and differ a lot. But Eric for sure feels like NTR (I doubt any other fetish can affect emotions so much). I disagree it's a bad thing. In my opinion without him BB wouldn't be half as popular but it would be pointless to dispute it here with so many emotions around. Whether it is NTR or something else, Eric is a reason why many (I would say even most) of the new and old creators start adding NTR so calling him as such isn't exactly wrong. On Japanese forum I wouldn't dare to call him NTR but here it's fine due to a different character of our industry.
 
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