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I want to see what happens with the Olivia stuff as I like her and Lisa together, far better than I Like Lisa with her mom, aunt or sister. But I've been disappointed too many times over the last few updates to really get excited.
- Jul 19, 2017
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The thing is, we have ALREADY done a sex ed route. A long as hell Sex Ed route. I actually like that one a lot, but this feels like padding. I mean if it was say, Lisa using Max to teach a friend of hers about sex, at least the roles would be different. Here we're just swapping Ann for Kira, we're probably going to have to grind through a bunch more teasy, touchy, scenes (which we have more than enough of already) until we get to the next roadblock.
Shit, the Western Front was less fortified than Lisa's hymen.
armion82
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After all lessons Lisa must get a license to fuck.
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armion82
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Alice of course
.We dont want Lisa to get Anna before Max.Just joking.Of course must be Max.We wait since 0.5.But also we need real threesome with Alice and Lisa.
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I can't help but I love her ass. That older image showing her nude in kitchen only clothed with an apron already turned me on! I really hope Max will get the chance to use her ass soon. Maybe in the way @penecultor showed it in his "Alternative Massage" Set, or maybe more? Please, DS. Pretty please lets Max have some fun with it!
BTW: I really hope @penecultor will continue working on this set so we can see Max and Ann having analsex in some mod!
Me too but i am quite sad that Kira is set aside completely.
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Kira? What Kira? Never heard about her ... Like she was never there.
SpartansNeverDie
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The Problem and Solution with Big Brother v0.11
So v0.11 is my first time playing BB, and I gotta say its a great game and I subbed on Patreon within the first few hours of gameplay. For the past week or so I've grinded... I mean played through game and loved it despite its numerous, yet minor, flaws. While playing BB and reading these discussion threads I noticed a sharp contrast between the early game content and the later game content. This is what I believe is one, if not the, direct cause for all the unrest around the 0.11 content.
A fundamental part of the early game was that you could make decisions that impacted how the game would play. The Lisa/Olivia GF routes, Eric friend/war routes, and then later the Lisa GF/lover routes shaped the kind of person (to some extent) the player wanted Max to be. Then as end game came nearer and we came to the v0.11 content it seemed like all the previous choices no longer mattered. We (the players) were rail-roaded into BDSM submissive content that seemingly unraveled all the variety the various paths gave us.
The game changed from a "A sandbox with multiple scenario lines which are crossing with each other in some unexpected and non-trivial ways" to a visual novel half way through the game. This is, IMHO, the fundamental issue behind the backlash. The early sandbox game allowed players to decide if they wanted romance/intimacy (Lisa GF), sharing or exhibitionism (Olivia GF), voyeurism or cuckold (Eric) etc. and allowed them to build the story to their preferences, fetishes, and/or interests. With the more visual novel outlook it either diminished or destroyed peoples individual stories and morphed it into something they may not potentially have wanted or liked.
The fix for this seems easy (I have no experience with coding) and that would be just making more choices and therefore making things that people may not like optional. Its a win-win. People who like it still get it and people who don't, don't. Obviously it's more work, but it is suppose to be a sandbox game with multiple scenarios and not a visual novel. Anyway thanks for reading, I'd love to know if you agree with me or not. I hope DS or someone from his crew will read this because I feel its super integral to the future of the game.
TLDR: New patreon, love game, in later stages of the game changed from sandbox to visual novel causing the way people built their story to be destroyed, simply return to sandbox mode with choices to fix this
So v0.11 is my first time playing BB, and I gotta say its a great game and I subbed on Patreon within the first few hours of gameplay. For the past week or so I've grinded... I mean played through game and loved it despite its numerous, yet minor, flaws. While playing BB and reading these discussion threads I noticed a sharp contrast between the early game content and the later game content. This is what I believe is one, if not the, direct cause for all the unrest around the 0.11 content.
A fundamental part of the early game was that you could make decisions that impacted how the game would play. The Lisa/Olivia GF routes, Eric friend/war routes, and then later the Lisa GF/lover routes shaped the kind of person (to some extent) the player wanted Max to be. Then as end game came nearer and we came to the v0.11 content it seemed like all the previous choices no longer mattered. We (the players) were rail-roaded into BDSM submissive content that seemingly unraveled all the variety the various paths gave us.
The game changed from a "A sandbox with multiple scenario lines which are crossing with each other in some unexpected and non-trivial ways" to a visual novel half way through the game. This is, IMHO, the fundamental issue behind the backlash. The early sandbox game allowed players to decide if they wanted romance/intimacy (Lisa GF), sharing or exhibitionism (Olivia GF), voyeurism or cuckold (Eric) etc. and allowed them to build the story to their preferences, fetishes, and/or interests. With the more visual novel outlook it either diminished or destroyed peoples individual stories and morphed it into something they may not potentially have wanted or liked.
The fix for this seems easy (I have no experience with coding) and that would be just making more choices and therefore making things that people may not like optional. Its a win-win. People who like it still get it and people who don't, don't. Obviously it's more work, but it is suppose to be a sandbox game with multiple scenarios and not a visual novel. Anyway thanks for reading, I'd love to know if you agree with me or not. I hope DS or someone from his crew will read this because I feel its super integral to the future of the game.
TLDR: New patreon, love game, in later stages of the game changed from sandbox to visual novel causing the way people built their story to be destroyed, simply return to sandbox mode with choices to fix this
Mordar
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On point indeed. But I doubt you can make it sandbox anymore. DS would have to go back and restore cutted paths and I doubt that's doable at this point since whole early gameplay during which skills still mattered was connected to Eric. I would love to see that but I guess it's too late for that.
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After the Sex Ed route we also got it in movie form with Alice and Max too.
@muttdoggy I edited your post slightly so only the REALLY important part was left. I hope you don't mind.
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Well, I'm going to leave this here so others can bring up their thoughts and maybe point out some that I have forgotten or in some cases tried to forget.
Just some thoughts.
Andarilho
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@ninanieminen First and foremost, thx for the pic.
But i have to say this:
According to BB Patreon we have the following description to $20 pledges:
Pledge $20 or more per month!
All previous rewards
Access to >>>> hardcore scenes <<<< preview of future releases
Information how to unlock some hidden events
Fresh news about development and plans
And then we have THIS, hidden behind a $40 Paywall!?
I don't know what to think about this guy and his game anymore.
christopher thompson
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yeah i saw that when i joined but its a lie you don't get any extras, all you get for $40 is deciding game route polls and $40 images that will be in the game, oh and you get to download game on the 2nd of each month@ninanieminen First and foremost, thx for the pic.
But i have to say this:
According to BB Patreon we have the following description to $20 pledges:
Pledge $20 or more per month!
All previous rewards
Access to >>>> hardcore scenes <<<< preview of future releases
Information how to unlock some hidden events
Fresh news about development and plans
And then we have THIS, hidden behind a $40 Paywall!?
I don't know what to think about this guy and his game anymore.
Just a random thought/question/wondering/randomness.
Why dos Ann/Mom always have her right eye covered by her hair?? Is she hiding something?? Is there a scar or other damage from what happened when she and Kira were taken at a young age?? Does she eyes have of different colors?? does she think one eye has a better shape/look than the other?? Is it just a style that she likes?? inquiring minds want to know.
Just a thought that might give interesting ideas/discussion.
Why dos Ann/Mom always have her right eye covered by her hair?? Is she hiding something?? Is there a scar or other damage from what happened when she and Kira were taken at a young age?? Does she eyes have of different colors?? does she think one eye has a better shape/look than the other?? Is it just a style that she likes?? inquiring minds want to know.
Just a thought that might give interesting ideas/discussion.
- Jul 19, 2017
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I agree. There were choices early in the game, but they didn't matter at all. Which from a certain point of view, is fine, from another point of view though, it's really annoying. Having content that no one will see in a game that is as grindy and boring game play wise as BB sucks, because no one really WANTS to replay it anyway. If the grind was less Russian, then maybe, as it is, I never replay the game because it is hours and hours of clicking on bullshit, over and over to get back to see a 1-3 minute non repeatable sex scene. Why bother?
BUT, because the choices are still in the game, and because the game makes you think at points that you have actual influence in what happens, and what routes you are on, when nothing comes of it, it still sucks. It's why some still pine for Eric's greasy embrace, it's why Lisa fans are still asshurt over the lack of romance, it's why anyone who is doing the Olivia route and ISN'T following the game closely is wondering why their updates have been short as shit for months. That last one, the Olivia choice is the final branch that looks be mixed in with the rest of the game. It was inevitable, and honestly necessary, but it's the last vestige of any actual player control or even the illusion of gameplay.
- May 8, 2017
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Yeah, well, the only decisions player had were Eric's routes (friend/enemy) and Lisa's paths (plenty of dialog options in early days). All these choices were implemented early and they still exist even tho they lead nowhere. In my opinion that's one of the reasons why BB was so succesfull and is still doing well - early game still looks like what it was meant to be, giving some illusion of replayablity and decisions. Eric's friendly path was slaughtered and I doubt it will lead anywhere in a future so the most important decision we had doesn't exist. Lisa's paths will merge with Olivia's route so they will go as well. As much as I respect DS for programming skill and fine renders for me BB is the greatest example of terrible design right now and I have no real hopes for it. But that's an important lesson for him and other devs what can happen with gameplay if you change your whole design midway of development. I still hold an opinion that initial idea would sell better if it was polished during 0.4-0.5 and could reward different players in appriopriate way.