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bakerarts

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nope. Sarah was in on everything they put the MC through. the bj vid was a good start for revenge, not sure i agree she has suffered enough though. but MC seems to be having guilt showing that should not be there imo. he should be on board with making all the bitches pay. every..single..one..of..them.
Is exposing her giving out a blowjob enough that alone is going to ensure her public reputation is ruined just like MC in high school when does the revenge end.
 
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I can actually forgive Sarah a bit, her nudes were leaked and she is now essentially looked at as nothing but a slut by pretty much the entire school while the Bitch Squad stood by her and from what she understands defended her, her leaving the friend group is just not possible at this point.
Maybe now she realises how the MC felt over having his nudes leaked (twice!), eh? Don't forget that Sarah was one of the girls that found it funny when Kate stole the MC's clothes which forced him to come out of the room naked. I don't dispute that the bitch squad have each other's backs but that doesn't change the fact that they have bullied, tormented and manipulated many people. From my point of view, Sarah can't remain friends with them and still have a friendly (or more) relationship with the MC unless he gives up on the idea of revenge which my MC certainly won't be doing.
 

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Is exposing her giving out a blowjob enough that alone is going to ensure her public reputation is ruined just like MC in high school when does the revenge end.
unfortunately exposing that to the public turned her into a victim of revenge porn. because of this, the 5 of them are guaranteed to gain more power by playing the angle of victims of hazing and leading to them basically using it as a way to do whatever they want without threat of consequences
 

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I really like how the game is not just a revenge fantasy. The MC and his gang suffer setbacks, the bitch squad has different personalities and motivations, making you doubt if the whole revenge is a good idea.

I also like that the MC actually knows how to flirt. So many games misrepresent flirting terribly, but talking to Ashley or Linda in the beginning of the game was just great.

Even though I liked the overall story, the pacing is a bit off: there are a few rapid jumps between the scenes that are jarring.

Oh, and the animations make the girls move like very expensive industrial 6DOF CNC milling machines. I'd rather watch shorter animations that don't remind me of hydraulics.

This aside, I have really enjoyed the game so far.
 

bakerarts

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unfortunately exposing that to the public turned her into a victim of revenge porn. because of this, the 5 of them are guaranteed to gain more power by playing the angle of victims of hazing and leading to them basically using it as a way to do whatever they want without threat of consequences
That might be true if you did it to any of the other girls, but with the type of person Sarah is she instead is hiding in her home most of the time, only going out and being near people she considers her friends. Oh and her fundamental personality was shattered and she is completely turning into a different person. Is that not enough of being a victim for ya.
 

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Annie: On a personal level, I despise betrayal, and turning against family is a special kind of betrayal. This likely means I am harder on her than on the others.
My first problem is her internal inconsistency. On the one hand, it appears like she is or was massively into the MC, but also slept around without problem. Her outright denial of giving a close friend the okay to get together with the MC speaks volume, but on the other hand, there is no issue with her blowing a near stranger. It is like he is not truly worth going after completely, but at the same time no one else should have him and she herself can also do what she wants. The attitude is so hypocritical that I find it hard to see any positive qualities in her.
I think one of the main issues is, that we only saw the betrayal and her taking the side of the bitch squad, but nothing from her being an actual good friend to the MC. She was supposed to be close to him, and we are only told that, but never shown. This leaves the scales clearly in favor of negative portrayals.
In nearly each scene, she comes across as confrontational and not nice. It feels like it is turned around and MC is the bad guy, who stood aside while she was being humiliated, attacked, mocked and hurt. At least that is how she acts. Even the scenes, where she actually is helpful, come across as reluctant on her part.
Finally, with the pictures being sent from the same source, she already confirmed the bitch squad was responsible for it by stating that they did leak the pictures from the sorority. I hope for the chance to confront her with that fact. She seems like the most obvious hook to destroy the B5 from inside.
About Annie.
Why she didn't act on her crush on the MC?
The MC is like a real brother for her, It's said in the game. Maybe that's why she's reluctant to make any moves even if deep down she wants him. It's the incest taboo among step siblings.
Why does she take the Bitch Squad side?
Like Sarah or Charlotte Annie is not a leader, she is a follower. This happens to young adults all the time. They do many things just due to peer pressure.

Imo the Bitch ranking would be:
>Charlotte, she just likes to hurt people
>Kate, she will do anything to get what she wants
>Emma, she likes to mess with people and doesn't care about consequences
>Annie, she wants to be part of the cool gang no matter what
>Sarah, she just goes with the flow around her
 
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Fuck mum was right, looking at porn is making me blind, or at least reading is.
 

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As far as Annie goes and choices for her, you will ultimately get to decide your relationship with her and what you do to her, but because they have that familiar relationship history, giving you options to immediately treat her like the other 4 and disregard her just doesn't seem realistic to me. Emotional bonds are tough to break, which is part of the story.
Those familial bonds didn't mean shit to Annie when she was clout chasing and the MC recognizes that fact. She shattered that familial bond before the divorce by selling him out for social status. The MC points out that it hurt more coming from her because he thought he actually meant something to her. You wrote those scenes. That's the foundation you set down. Saying it's unrealistic is just another way of saying you need it to be that way for narrative convenience.
 
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As far as Annie goes and choices for her, you will ultimately get to decide your relationship with her and what you do to her, but because they have that familiar relationship history, giving you options to immediately treat her like the other 4 and disregard her just doesn't seem realistic to me. Emotional bonds are tough to break, which is part of the story.
Your own story has those bonds broken from the start though. I get that some interaction would have happened anyway because plot has them reunited. But think of it that way. If your own sister was a willing member of the clique who harassed you both physically and mentally, before practically deleting you from her life, would you give her a warm hug the first time you saw her again? Unless it's stockholm syndrom, it doesn't make any sense to have that initial warm reaction. The normal psychological reaction would be to at least avoid any physical contact like the plague, even if you decided to be civil and greet her somehow. An option to be more cold and distant would be far more realistic.

It's no coincidence most players consider hers the worst betrayal of all, despite not being actively involved. It's how the human mind works, the stab from the one closest to you hurts the most. That kind of trauma has to be reflected in MC's behavior.
 

misfolk

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4. Miranda's sweater looks very loose. Clinging clothes is usually easier. Her other outfits looks much better. Also Tommy's shirt when he sitting in dorm.
At least this is not one of these "vacuum-packed breasts" outfits most women in renders wear (like Emma's jumpsuit in her latest scene).
 

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Those familial bonds didn't mean shit to Annie when she was clout chasing and the MC recognizes that fact. She shattered that familial bond before the divorce by selling him out for social status. The MC points out that it hurt more coming from her because he thought he actually meant something to her. You wrote those scenes. That's the foundation you set down. Saying it's unrealistic is just another way of saying you need it to be that way for narrative convenience.
Obviously, he was hurt deeply by it all. Her being part of everything that happened to him may have been the worst part for him. He knows that he cared about her, but is left wondering if she ever really did feel the same given what she was part of. But things have been happening between them since the story began. It's not like Annie shows up and acts indifferent to him or hostile. Let's recap:

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Just know that Annie can have a big role in the next release (depending on your choices). Her past and present are explored further. But I am really trying hard not to push plot points that break continuity. A coherent story is what care most about.
 

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Your own story has those bonds broken from the start though. I get that some interaction would have happened anyway because plot has them reunited. But think of it that way. If your own sister was a willing member of the clique who harassed you both physically and mentally, before practically deleting you from her life, would you give her a warm hug the first time you saw her again? Unless it's stockholm syndrom, it doesn't make any sense to have that initial warm reaction. The normal psychological reaction would be to at least avoid any physical contact like the plague, even if you decided to be civil and greet her somehow. An option to be more cold and distant would be far more realistic.

It's no coincidence most players consider hers the worst betrayal of all, despite not being actively involved. It's how the human mind works, the stab from the one closest to you hurts the most. That kind of trauma has to be reflected in MC's behavior.
Just wrote a longer response to another similar comment, see that one.

In their initial meeting in the story, he sees her first unexpectedly and wants to get out before she sees him. It's not like he goes running up to her like nothing happened. He doesn't know if she will even be friendly to him. She sets the tone by being happy to see him. It's easy to fall back into old patterns. You also can think to yourself, "If I ever see this person again, I'll say this!", but you can quickly lose that nerve when you see them.

I know that hurting Annie is a popular position on this forum. You've already had once scene that starts that. Her fate will ultimately be in your hands. Just remember, despite everything that she says now about reconciliation, she has shown no indication that she would ever turn on her friends, and she chose them over you before. That is a choice that she will probably have to make all over again in the future. What will she do this time?
 
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About Annie.
Why she didn't act on her crush on the MC?
The MC is like a real brother for her, It's said in the game. Maybe that's why she's reluctant to make any moves even if deep down she wants him. It's the incest taboo among step siblings.
Why does she take the Bitch Squad side?
Like Sarah or Charlotte Annie is not a leader, she is a follower. This happens to young adults all the time. They do many things just due to peer pressure.

Imo the Bitch ranking would be:
>Charlotte, she just likes to hurt people
>Kate, she will do anything to get what she wants
>Emma, she likes to mess with people and doesn't care about consequences
>Annie, she wants to be part of the cool gang no matter what
>Sarah, she just goes with the flow around her
I do get that incestuous undertone. It is kinda obvious with her mentioning that in most of their scenes. My issue is with her hypocritical attitude. She cannot at the same time be obsessed with the MC and not pursue him, but also block any chances of him getting with someone else and be irritated if it happens. Furthermore, her being happy to suck dicks left and right speaks volumes about her apparent fidelity to the guy she is actually into. I am not saying this is unrealistic or anything like that, just it makes her into a massive hypocrite to me and utterly unlikable.
You cannot claim to be into someone, even secretly and deep down, and at the same time happily gobbling down the dick of some near strangers.

Additionally, I don't like her victim blaming. Emma is simply unapologetic. Charlotte doesn't care. Sarah is apologetic, and even Kate mentions she would take the prank back if she could. Annie is completely insincere in her apology, with her literally rolling her eyes at the MC. Then continues to shift the blame completely on him, for them growing apart.

For my own bitch ranking:
>Charlotte, no redeeming quality whatsoever and the most cruel and bitchy of the five till now.
>Annie, perfect example of a hypocritical bitch
> Emma, unrepentive bitch
> Kate, ambitious bitch and has the most apologetic scenes among them.
> Sarah, bystander even though I think there is more to her.
 
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satirious

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I do get that incestuous undertone. It is kinda obvious with her mentioning that in most of their scenes. My issue is with her hypocritical attitude. She cannot at the same time be obsessed with the MC and not pursue him, but also block any chances of him getting with someone else and be irritated if it happens. Furthermore, her being happy to suck dicks left and right speaks volumes about her apparent fidelity to the guy she is actually into. I am not saying this is unrealistic or anything like that, just it makes her into a massive hypocrite to me and utterly unlikable.
You cannot claim to be into someone, even secretly and deep down, and at the same time happily gobbling down the dick of some near strangers.

Additionally, I don't like her victim blaming. Emma is simply unapologetic. Charlotte doesn't care. Sarah is apologetic, and even Kate mentions she would take the prank back if she could. Annie is completely insincere in her apology, with her literally rolling her eyes at the MC. Then continues to shift the blame completely on him, for them growing apart.

For my own bitch ranking:
>Charlotte, no redeeming quality whatsoever and the most cruel and bitchy of the five till now.
>Annie, perfect example of a hypocritical bitch
> Emma, unrepentive bitch
> Kate, ambitious bitch and has the most apologetic scenes among them.
> Sarah, bystander even though I think there is more to her.
There is one major factor that makes all of it that much more unbelievable. Nothing in the story of the females in this game gives legitimacy to any words of regret or desire for reconciliation. They just want the world and everyone in it to make their efforts as simple as possible. Each of them using the method most convenient to accomplish that.

Even in the most lenient of societies, a bank robber does not get to keep the money if they are caught. They can't show up in court and say I can't give the money back because it is gone when they dumped in to stocks and bonds and everyone is immediately fine with them living off of the dividends. People just aren't that stupid. The five took the physical, mental and emotional well being of everyone around them to buy stock in social status and influence. Ashley has now decided to join with them despite her preaching peace love and groovy flowers.

It's pretty clear already that justice will not be had and revenge was never on the table. The MC is going to be ok with it all as long as he gets to see tits and maybe get his dick wet a couple of times. That will be the limit to the depth to this story.
 
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