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Thedude715

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Lol ya'll need to chill. Zero to hero is the theme of the game MC isn't supposed to be super badass and assertive out the gate hes undergoing the stereotypical heroes journey as you shape his personality. He starts off a pretty blank slate sure but thats the point you mold him and even by now whether you are pure revenge or starting to tap the breaks you already see the effects of it.

A game based on kate wouldn't be very interesting because it would be completely linear. Kate knows who she is and what her goals are. Maybe a kinetic novel but not a choice based VN.
What me and I would assume most people have issue with is not that he has to be badass, he just has not be completely useless and compliant ALL the time.

Here is the scenario: The overview/start of the game sets the story up as a get back at the cunts that fucked you over kind of story so that is what the people drawn to it want and expect.
And everytime the game gets and update with non of the expect content infact more often then not it's the opposite even, it leaves a bad taste ya know?

In short people just want to see some occasional wins for the mc or the story turns into get shit on the game and they will lose interest.
 

FatGiant

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How is MC at all a simp?

He fucks Emma, his step-sister, Ashley, the redheaded partner in crime, the black girl and gets to third base with Sarah Charlotte and Kate.

Thats like 75% of the female cast lol and he isn't simping at all for any of them in fact he hate-fucks and dominates Emma in this episode. He pretty much rapes Kate sexually abuses Charlotte and posts revenge porn of Sarah. This is your definition of a simp or letting people walk over him?

As for Ashley have you ever tried to tell a girl "don't be friends with this person!". Because I found Ashleys response pretty true to reality and now it's just up to MC to either break up with her and throw her into the revenge pile or try to redeem her and expose the bitches based on whatever choice you wanna make.

This guy isn't supposed to be fucking Edmund Dantes with an unlimited fortune and 15 years having spent plotting his revenge - hes a college student making it up as he goes along either getting more corrupt himself as he does morally questionable things for revenge or learns to walk away.

And it is zero to hero even if the idea of MC being the underdog for now seems to strike a little too close to home for you given the volatility of your reaction.

MC is either rebuilding his relationship with his step-sister as well as a deepening romantic relationship with Ashley/Sarah or he is going scorched earth as mentioned above and getting set up to go after Kate's dad for corruption/murder (Charlottes mom + Miranda's husband).
So you are happy with this?

Ashley befriends the people that she knows that have hurt you, are still hurting you, will continue to hurt you, and she is right about it? As Annie was?

Where is the option to immediately drop her? Then she goes and joins the B Squad? Why is he even pretending to bury the hatchet when clearly no one believes it, not even Ashley?

Sometimes I think, maybe the Bitches aren't really at fault. Because the fault here lies entirely on this... thing... that we have to play as. He should simply commit suicide, get it over with. Bam, no more annoying MC. Game done. Character Journey complete.

Yeah, we are being kept waiting by dropping some pussy, that he doesn't even knows how he got... just lucky or pure desperation. None of those scenes mean anything of substance, he's still the same stupid, annoying, coward with zero qualities.

I wish I could play the game that you think we are playing, but, I can't see it.

Oh, and about the quip about how it hits me, I will let it pass. Please refrain from personal attacks. Let's focus on the game, shall we?

Peace :(
 

robrize2169

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i see alot of people on here basically saying the things i am thinking too. yeah the MC really needs to get on top of this shit and stop with the nice guy approach. it doesn't work on the bitches. Kate and Emma are hardcore cunts that step on everyone that gets in their way. and i still think Sarah is not so innocent as she seems. guess we will find out if it gets out that MC is plotting with the Dean. only Sarah knows that is going on. so if Kate gets wind of it, then we know it came from Sarah. haven't played the Emma cabin route yet so i guess i will go back and do a new playthrough to check that out at some point. really hope the next update begins an actual arc where the MC and Miranda do something useful to hurt the bitches. oh and i didn't see the Charlotte content either so i gotta make sure i do that too. and facefuck Kate if i can get that scene too.. it's what she deserves. and breaking it off with Ashley sooner too since we see she is on a path to becoming one of the bitches. but hopefully as she gets in she will see the MC was tellin her the truth and will turn on Kate eventually.
 

Jah-Ith-Ber

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So yeah, I don't want a macho badass who will cuck Ashley with her friend in front of her and then cockslap her for exclamation. I just want a simple choice to ditch a gf who became besties with his bully. Like any normal average dude would do, especially one carrying trauma from a similar thing with Annie. Instead he gets yelled at and then the scene ends...

Yeah I wish the option to end things with Ashley came after that reveal though I expect him to be able to break up with her in a coming update once MC learns she joins the sorority (or not break up but will explicity use her for info and stop caring about her) but maybe I am giving the author too much credit
 

FatGiant

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Yeah I wish the option to end things with Ashley came after that reveal though I expect him to be able to break up with her in a coming update once MC learns she joins the sorority (or not break up but will explicity use her for info and stop caring about her) but maybe I am giving the author too much credit
I think you are. We have all been.

This story is heading to a bad place with this MC. I really can't see a way for this to be turned around anymore. At least in a way that makes sense. Obviously the author can always write a magical solution and "solve" everything.

As it is right now, Ashley is being extremely disloyal, by aligning herself, befriending even, Kate and the rest. She's not going to be used by this... MC. It is Kate that will use her to find what the MC knows and is doing. And she will cooperate willingly betraying him.

Annie, after sex, the MC says "I love you" she only says, "I know". Bus to Simp town one way. She is the cause for him to have been "pranked" by Kate, in his own home, with her knowledge and approval. She didn't even bother to ask them to stop, she was OK with a year long humiliation of her "step-brother" and friend. Yet, he's the one that HAS to accept her, because......... ?

Charlotte has been a thorn on his side and on Amber, cries a few crocodile tears, tells a sob story, that he doesn't even bother to confirm, or interrogate Miranda immediately about the necklace provenance. He's being played by both of them, by all of them, even fucking Amber that is only interested on her own vengeance against Charlotte with no intention to help anyone.

Tommy is a brick. For all his bluster, he's unable to do anything of substance, except getting hit.

Sarah is broken. She may or may not tell the others about you and the Dean, what in hell possessed you to speak as freely about stuff with Sarah in the room? She's one of them. She's not a friend, she's an enemy. Another trip to Simp town.

Emma, is tethering on the edge of being a switch. She will go along while it fits her fancy. That dominance will cost you dearly,yet, you gained NOTHING.

Kate will go to any lengths to reach her goals, that we don't know nothing of. Are they even "HER" goals? Or is she just a player in her father's game? You stand no chance there. Zero. You could have gained a upper hand by dealing with the initial humiliation differently, you didn't, she owns you, forever.

This is the game we are playing not your pink glasses version, sorry.

Peace :)
 

Venoma

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There is WAYYY too many over-sensitive takes here on how the MC isn't "alpha enough" imo. Which I always find ironic in themselves on f95 btw, since I'd argue that tends to scream "beta insecurity at play" a lot louder then an MC character that isn't "DOMINATING" everybody around him by v3 of a zero-to-hero story.

Again, v3. Some of you need chill lol. Just saying :)
 

NoxLaw

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There is WAYYY too many over-sensitive takes here on how the MC isn't "alpha enough" imo. Which I always find ironic in themselves on f95 btw, since I'd argue that tends to scream "beta insecurity at play" a lot louder then an MC character that isn't "DOMINATING" everybody around him by v3 of a zero-to-hero story.

Again, v3. Some of you need chill lol. Just saying :)
Yep. People wanting MC to behave like a normal person truly are insecure betas. The real chads want to keep playing a bitch boy that's getting fucked over left and right and sometimes doesn't even react :WeSmart: Flawless logic...
 

WastedTalent

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There is WAYYY too many over-sensitive takes here on how the MC isn't "alpha enough" imo. Which I always find ironic in themselves on f95 btw, since I'd argue that tends to scream "beta insecurity at play" a lot louder then an MC character that isn't "DOMINATING" everybody around him by v3 of a zero-to-hero story.

Again, v3. Some of you need chill lol. Just saying :)
No it's not about Alpha, dominance, or beta. The dev can write the MC however they like, but the MC shows a serious lack of college level intelligence period as well as several of the characters. The MC doesn't even have normal responses to anything he just bottles it all and let's everyone shit on him and then just chalks things up to I'll get you my pretty and your little bitch too lol. We're not asking for a Mega Chad or anything like that but everything he does is either a half measure or nothing at all. He gathers new information every episode and does nothing with it but sit on it. He hasn't made one move that suggests there will be any revenge at all. It's all just posturing and internal threats or monologues. At this point in the story other than some porn revenge what has he actually accomplished? Is anyone suffering? I mean maybe Kate is a little bit his argument with her did have an actual impact I think. But then she told him to stay out of her way and he didn't say anything... just thought to himself is she making a truce offer or peace offer? She never even apologized for the photo being leaked or for the prank at least not that I recall... but that's one instance out of how many? All we are asking for is opportunity to actually get some revenge... the dev stated that there will be a deviation or branching path or whatever in the next episode so let's see what that yields but as of now there isn't a lot of confidence that it's going to lead to solid results it will probably continue to be half assed for a few more updates. I hope the dev proves me wrong.... either way I will see what this path split is and that will let me know if it's going to be the same repetitive stupidity or will it evolve...
 

robrize2169

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the truce with Kate is a lie. MC is taking Miranda's advice to wait for the right time to get revenge. she is planning something, but he keeps taking all the bs from the bitches. i have played the nice guy approach and i didn't like it. next time i play through before next update i am going full on revenge on all the bitches path. no more mr. nice guy. the nice guy approach is a lie. i hope. if dev doesn't give us something nice on the revenge side soon, i will also be losing interest in the game. there are so many other games to play in my unplayed folder..
 

drifter139

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to all of the people talking shit about the game, it's only episode 3 and it's being developed by 1 person. things are going to be slow and take time to work. the MC isn't about to be a pro at revenge and he isn't going to be some mega chad. so if you are going to bitch and complain about the game, stop playing and go somewhere else. this isn't Being A Dik where there are 30 different paths per episode. kindly get over yourselves
 

IcarusLabs

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Hi everyone!

Glad to see that there is unanimous support about this being the best game ever and it is satisfying all your expectations and fulfilling all of your desires without controversy. Lol

I just want to say that all feedback is appreciated, so long as it isn't just needless hate. That just doesn't help anyone.

I've been hesitant to go too deep into explaining from my perspective why things happen the way they do in the story. Mostly because I don't want to give away any spoilers about future content. I feel at this point I can start responding more because enough content is out that I can certainly address things that have already happened. I also don't want to be that dev who interjects themselves into each convo where people are just talking to each other. So, if you have specific questions and sincerely want my perspective on something, just tag me and ask. I'll try to answer as best I can and use spoiler tags if necessary. If I can't answer something yet, I will say that too.

For perspective, this last release was EP3. I've stated before that there will be somewhere around 8 episodes in total. I've released half-episodes the last two times because I want to get newer content out faster. But that may lead people to think that we are further along than we are in the story. Also, the episodes are fairly large (somewhere around 2000 images now).

One last thing, I do want to thank everyone for their interest and especially those who have supported me through this process.
 

FatGiant

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Hi everyone!

Glad to see that there is unanimous support about this being the best game ever and it is satisfying all your expectations and fulfilling all of your desires without controversy. Lol

I just want to say that all feedback is appreciated, so long as it isn't just needless hate. That just doesn't help anyone.

I've been hesitant to go too deep into explaining from my perspective why things happen the way they do in the story. Mostly because I don't want to give away any spoilers about future content. I feel at this point I can start responding more because enough content is out that I can certainly address things that have already happened. I also don't want to be that dev who interjects themselves into each convo where people are just talking to each other. So, if you have specific questions and sincerely want my perspective on something, just tag me and ask. I'll try to answer as best I can and use spoiler tags if necessary. If I can't answer something yet, I will say that too.

For perspective, this last release was EP3. I've stated before that there will be somewhere around 8 episodes in total. I've released half-episodes the last two times because I want to get newer content out faster. But that may lead people to think that we are further along than we are in the story. Also, the episodes are fairly large (somewhere around 2000 images now).

One last thing, I do want to thank everyone for their interest and especially those who have supported me through this process.
I am going to be clear here. No filter, but no intention to hurt or offend.

The problem I am having with this game, as I have explained, maybe in too much detail, is that the MC that you make us drive around is impossible to stand.

Why am I talking so much about this? Because you made a lovely game, a great story, an interesting set of characters, and then...... this MC. He's insufferable. People have been telling me that he's just a kid, etc. That isn't the problem, I don't want him to be a super hero, a super spy, a super macho, I only want him to be human. He isn't.

As it is now, this MC that we are stuck with, either doesn't react or reacts in the worst possible way. He gets angry when he shouldn't, and doesn't even get bothered when he should be angry. It's like you designed all the characters in the game to be awesome, and they are, all of them, and then made a specific effort to NOT make him interesting or even acceptable. He's amorphous, pusillanimous, cowardly, a serial cheater (denotes lack of self awareness), no confidence, distrustful and above all, stupid as a truck of bricks. He's absolutely unlikable.

It wouldn't be so bad if he was a secondary character like Tommy. But, no, you make us BE him. You make us be this unpleasant person.

Some have pointed out that this is his Zero stage, and he will grow... At this point, sorry, but I don't want to have anything to do with him. I love everything about your game, except this rather important detail, the MC is unplayable.

Each and every of his interactions are handled wrong. Yeah, you are giving us some lewd content that he somehow manages to get, without any effort, it's a porn game, so... but, in regards to the story? He's completely wrong every time. He keeps secrets from his girlfriend that could make a difference in how she reacts and acts towards the Bitches, and now she betrays him and we can't even drop her, it is his mistake (yours) but at least show some backbone. Annie, causes and accepts his humiliation in his house, and for a full year she chooses his bullies over him, yet, she doesn't regret it, she doesn't show any remorse, she doesn't even apologize, and we have to forgive her. Why? Why would we even exchange words or have ANY interest in her as a person? She's the worst offender. Yet, we go and allow her to trample over us, again and again. At this point she's worst than Kate. Kate at least was playing with a toy, she couldn't care less who you were. Annie, not only knew you, lived with you, called you family.

You, as the Dev make us walk around on this character that is as remote from a human as a shoe box. His internal monologue is ...... annoying is the minimum I could call it. He ALWAYS gets things wrong. He gets mad at what is meaningless, and goes along with what should make him scream. He doesn't ask the question he should, and asks all the questions he shouldn't. Like with Kate's father... he puts on a charade that he has buried the hatchet with Kate and when he talks with her father he acts like a peacock pretending he's tough with someone that can order him dead with impunity, I wish he did by the way. He's insolent, brash and disrespectful, it doesn't matter who he is, he's talking with him for the 1st time. Again, very, very, very stupid.

I don't know what you can do about this. I really don't see a way out with this MC you created. He's killing this lovely game, this cool story by being impossible to like.

I would very much like to know if you plan on going on with this MC as he is, or if you have any plan to have him dropped from a tall building, get into a 6 month coma, wake up and be what he never was, a human. I ask you to please understand that I don't hate the game, I hate, completely, this MC.

Please do something to make this lovely game enjoyable. Thanks.

Peace :)
 

Venoma

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Yep. People wanting MC to behave like a normal person truly are insecure betas.
I know you were going for sarcasm there...but yeah, pretty much.

I mean you have the least "normal posting behavior" people in the thread obsessively pining on about wanting their self projected MC to behave like a normal person. Heck, I think the one guy is up to like 7 different long rage outs over it in the last day. The sheer irony in that shouldn't really escape anybody lol.

Again it's v3. Deep breaths.
 
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FatGiant

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I know you were going for sarcasm there...but yeah, pretty much.

I mean you have the least "normal posting behavior" people in the thread obsessively pining on about wanting their self projected MC to behave like a normal person. Heck, I think the one guy is up to like 7 different long rage outs over it in the last day. The sheer irony in that shouldn't really escape anybody lol.

Again it's v3. Deep breaths.
Rage? No, no, no... this is me being passionate about a game that I wanted to love and can't. I'm not even mad, I am, mostly, disappointed. And sorry, I don't have the gift of brevity.

Peace :)
 

Venoma

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Rage? No, no, no... this is me being passionate about a game that I wanted to love and can't. I'm not even mad, I am, mostly, disappointed. And sorry, I don't have the gift of brevity.

Peace :)
Passionate huh.

Well, I'm sure the other guy who's been right up there with you on the obsession scale with his literal 40+ thread commits since last night will come along any minute now to hand you your like emoji validation for that passion. While course throwing me my hard earned face palm emoji for pointing out just how *not* normal his posting behavior actually is :)

I really wanted a full sex scene with Emma after the part 1 teaser scene. That is what I'm disappointed about.
 

IcarusLabs

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I am going to be clear here. No filter, but no intention to hurt or offend.

The problem I am having with this game, as I have explained, maybe in too much detail, is that the MC that you make us drive around is impossible to stand.

Why am I talking so much about this? Because you made a lovely game, a great story, an interesting set of characters, and then...... this MC. He's insufferable. People have been telling me that he's just a kid, etc. That isn't the problem, I don't want him to be a super hero, a super spy, a super macho, I only want him to be human. He isn't.

As it is now, this MC that we are stuck with, either doesn't react or reacts in the worst possible way. He gets angry when he shouldn't, and doesn't even get bothered when he should be angry. It's like you designed all the characters in the game to be awesome, and they are, all of them, and then made a specific effort to NOT make him interesting or even acceptable. He's amorphous, pusillanimous, cowardly, a serial cheater (denotes lack of self awareness), no confidence, distrustful and above all, stupid as a truck of bricks. He's absolutely unlikable.

It wouldn't be so bad if he was a secondary character like Tommy. But, no, you make us BE him. You make us be this unpleasant person.

Some have pointed out that this is his Zero stage, and he will grow... At this point, sorry, but I don't want to have anything to do with him. I love everything about your game, except this rather important detail, the MC is unplayable.

Each and every of his interactions are handled wrong. Yeah, you are giving us some lewd content that he somehow manages to get, without any effort, it's a porn game, so... but, in regards to the story? He's completely wrong every time. He keeps secrets from his girlfriend that could make a difference in how she reacts and acts towards the Bitches, and now she betrays him and we can't even drop her, it is his mistake (yours) but at least show some backbone. Annie, causes and accepts his humiliation in his house, and for a full year she chooses his bullies over him, yet, she doesn't regret it, she doesn't show any remorse, she doesn't even apologize, and we have to forgive her. Why? Why would we even exchange words or have ANY interest in her as a person? She's the worst offender. Yet, we go and allow her to trample over us, again and again. At this point she's worst than Kate. Kate at least was playing with a toy, she couldn't care less who you were. Annie, not only knew you, lived with you, called you family.

You, as the Dev make us walk around on this character that is as remote from a human as a shoe box. His internal monologue is ...... annoying is the minimum I could call it. He ALWAYS gets things wrong. He gets mad at what is meaningless, and goes along with what should make him scream. He doesn't ask the question he should, and asks all the questions he shouldn't. Like with Kate's father... he puts on a charade that he has buried the hatchet with Kate and when he talks with her father he acts like a peacock pretending he's tough with someone that can order him dead with impunity, I wish he did by the way. He's insolent, brash and disrespectful, it doesn't matter who he is, he's talking with him for the 1st time. Again, very, very, very stupid.

I don't know what you can do about this. I really don't see a way out with this MC you created. He's killing this lovely game, this cool story by being impossible to like.

I would very much like to know if you plan on going on with this MC as he is, or if you have any plan to have him dropped from a tall building, get into a 6 month coma, wake up and be what he never was, a human. I ask you to please understand that I don't hate the game, I hate, completely, this MC.

Please do something to make this lovely game enjoyable. Thanks.

Peace :)
I'm fine with being direct as long as it is respectful, and I think you have been. Thank you for that. Obviously, you have developed strong opinions. Don't ever let it be said that my writing doesn't evoke strong reactions lol. I'm not sure what ability you have to see beyond what you have already decided, and generally you can't talk people out of what they believe. I mentioned that I would respond to specific questions, but multiple paragraphs are more than I'm willing to go through at this point. However, if you are willing to have an open mind, I'll attempt to respond to your key points about MC and Annie. Apologies for this being too long. Ignore it if you want.

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