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Beyo

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I feel like either ShinV or Phenir already posted something like what you're all thinking of.
 

Omnom88

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Btw, Yes. Caroll invoked Mary Sue (beach memory), and Alice invoked crawling one (queensland memory)...maybe. The term selfish is more often used to describe Mary Sue but it also uses the verb crawling, and crawling one is is described as selfish at least once, so it's not completely clear. Maybe they had teamed up at that point already. Mary Sue provided the actors and stage for crawling ones love?
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Don't mind me butting into this convo, but I'm still trying to digest the whole thing about the Great Ones. My understanding, based on Mabel's dialogue inside Chaos Dungeon, is that Mary Sue and Alice are both "Great Ones" - with Alice given the particular alias of "Crawling One".

Black Souls 1 took place in Mary Sue's garden (Lost Empire), whereas 2 took place in Alice's garden (Wonderland). From the short cinematic, the other Great Ones would be the White Queen, the Red Queen and Jabberwock? Unsure who the Red Queen is, but White Queen is pretty convincingly Node (who appears to have stepped down from her position as queen?).
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-For example in BSI
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So in context:
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PS: Toro`s recent dev post said he finished 36 out of 150 planned CGIs for DeadRedHood sooooo maybe at the end of 2023 we get the first news to a BlackSouls3......hahahaha.
 
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danddoan

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the only problem with this game is that it makes me cry too much, despair too much, and be depressed most of the time... otherwise it just makes me laugh and be hyped with the fights, mechanics, and everything else. Such a great game, too bad it sucker punch my feelings so many times
 
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Raf-Raf

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the only problem with this game is that it makes me cry too much, despair too much, and be depressed most of the time... otherwise it just makes me laugh and be hyped with the fights, mechanics, and everything else. Such a great game, too bad it sucker punch my feelings so many times
Suffering is part of the experience.
It ain't Black Souls without both the player and the player character suffering. :KEK:
 

rational_p

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Hi, the guide says that there should be an npc here but there is no one. Is this normal ?
(Pumpkin house in infinite food)
Ps: i'm not talking about the ghost
 

Phenir

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you missed pumpkin o at the bonfire south of the cathedral or just before the giant knight boss
 

the timeless

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PS: Toro`s recent dev post said he finished 36 out of 150 planned CGIs for DeadRedHood sooooo maybe at the end of 2023 we get the first news to a BlackSouls3......hahahaha.
didn't he say there would be 2 side games?
dead red wood and another game about another place? i used mtl to see most post so i might have just read it wrong
 

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didn't he say there would be 2 side games?
dead red wood and another game about another place? i used mtl to see most post so i might have just read it wrong
Yea if i remember correctly the second side game will involve the demonic princesses from BS1 and will a have a monster hunter-like crafting system
 

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didn't he say there would be 2 side games?
dead red wood and another game about another place? i used mtl to see most post so i might have just read it wrong
Yeah currently Toro is working on DRH which takes place between BS1 & BS2. However Toro implied it may lead into BS2. He updates his blog on fantia every once in a while with NPC art & minor story details. Its also supposedly about the Black Trial shining light on their actual role between all the worlds/cosmic gods.


The side game about the BS1 demon princesses is also a thing. Tho i am not sure what the current "status" of it is. Its been awhile since Toro made that annoucement. There was a fangame of them and he made CGI art for it as well.
 
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Jacodu

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Been playing the game so far and reallly enjoying it. The only problem I don't really understand is that after a few hours of playing all of my covenants started dying off. Luckily I had a save 20 minutes just before most of them kicked the bucket.... (Like everyone but the Queen of Hearts and Nobe was dead).

But that still makes me curouis, does anyone know why these covenants gals die? Is it like in Black Souls I where you have to do certain actions within a time limit or do some sidequest to prevent their deaths? If so, please tell me as no guide says so.
 

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Been playing the game so far and reallly enjoying it. The only problem I don't really understand is that after a few hours of playing all of my covenants started dying off. Luckily I had a save 20 minutes just before most of them kicked the bucket.... (Like everyone but the Queen of Hearts and Nobe was dead).

But that still makes me curouis, does anyone know why these covenants gals die? Is it like in Black Souls I where you have to do certain actions within a time limit or do some sidequest to prevent their deaths? If so, please tell me as no guide says so.
You need to play detective, the first clue is on clock tower. And is only happen after fire 10 bonfire, so good luck.
There is a guide on the OP.
 
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Jacodu

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I'll assume that means there's a NPC called Jub Jub (saw an image of a boss on the web but didn't spoil myself more than that) that goes on a murder spree or somehow causes a lot of deaths around fire 10. Like some other lads did in the dark souls games, and so the way to prevent these deaths would be kill off this Jub Jub who's located at the Clock Tower.

If that's the case then thank you for telling me. Though I have one more question, I've noticed that after smoking a few times with the Caterpillar Gal that she suddenly starting to die and was asking for an mercy kill. Is there any way to prevent this or should I simply never smoke with her in the next loop? (I've obtained Ending C today so New Game + is an option now.)

Because if so, then I'll try to avoid these mass deaths in the next loop by not smoking with the Caterpillar (preventing her death), killing Jack the Ripper (Which I assume would have ripped an npc if you're there too late) and disposing of this Jub Jub as quickly as I can.

Of course I still need to locate this Clock Tower, but please don't tell me where that is yet. As I'd love to play detective as has been advised. To that note I'm pretty to have received an answer at all, as this place is the closest one to an Black Souls communinty that I know off. (So if there's like a discord or something, please let me know as I'd love to chat about the game)
 
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Beyo

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I'll assume that means there's a NPC called Jub Jub (saw an image of a boss on the web but didn't spoil myself more than that) that goes on a murder spree or somehow causes a lot of deaths around fire 10. Like some other lads did in the dark souls games, and so the way to prevent these deaths would be kill off this Jub Jub who's located at the Clock Tower.

If that's the case then thank you for telling me. Though I have one more question, I've noticed that after smoking a few times with the Caterpillar Gal that she suddenly starting to die and was asking for an mercy kill. Is there any way to prevent this or should I simply never smoke with her in the next loop? (I've obtained Ending C today so New Game + is an option now.)

Because if so, then I'll try to avoid these mass deaths in the next loop by not smoking with the Caterpillar (preventing her death), killing Jack the Ripper (Which I assume would have ripped an npc if you're there too late) and disposing of this Jub Jub as quickly as I can.

Of course I still need to locate this Clock Tower, but please don't tell me where that is yet. As I'd love to play detective as has been advised. To that note I'm pretty to have received an answer at all, as this place is the closest one to an Black Souls communinty that I know off. (So if there's like a discord or something, please let me know as I'd love to chat about the game)
The only spoilers I'll mention are what you can do about Jub Jub, Shisha (the Caterpillar), and Jack the Ripper. I will mention a bit about Jack the Ripper, though. I won't mention how to get to any places, as you wanted. Also, the number of torches lit in the library are referred to by their Progression number.

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Interesting interaction that happens on Jabberwock's map if you walk around with 0 SEN. Alice briefly appears on the top right corner but disappears as you approach, leaving a cryptic message that can only be read with Prickett's Ring. The amount of little details and hidden events scattered around the world is absolutely insane.
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After going through 200 floors on Chaos Dungeon, I finally found the lore dump map that confirms some of what was being discussed earlier about Mary Sue and the Great Ones.

Mary Sue
Had a unique power, the "Ability to Change". The Red and White Queens stripped her of this power at some point between BS1 and BS2, supposedly due to how powerful it is. Mary Sue changing her name to Mary Ann was, as mentioned earlier, most likely just a symbolic change to signify she'd lost her powers.
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Great Ones
Mary Sue and the Crawling One are said to be such beings, with the others assumed to be Red Queen, White Queen and Jabberwock. The Outer Ones are still a bit of a mystery to me, but I'll just file them as being entities one tier above in power or divinity.
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All this lore is pretty neat, ngl. :BootyTime:
 
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