If I recall correctly, the previous f95 version works just fine and also translated DLC3, albeit with slight translation errors. The official version has the better translation, and some of the music were changed due to copyright (mostly boss themes).
You're really missing the point that C end was completely planned by Mary Sue. She intended you to collect the fairy tales, pull the lever, and defeat her. It's all a show. Why would she risk her own garden in the process? Not to mention crawling one can be seen to have infiltrated before doing C end so it didn't really need any help in that regard.
You are mistaken. That's a fangame.
Afaik, the fan translation does not cover dlc 3 at all.
So to clarify, the version here is the official version, but not the updated one with changed music?
Huh? This is the first time i heard about a 4th DLC. DLC1-3 add Chaos Dungeon, Deep Sea & Winterbell/H end.
As sammo said both versions should be fine. The main differences are just the references to cosmic-horror/fairy tales book.
You are going cu-cu-cu-crazy. Instead you should go to Alice!
The version here is the official translation without the updated music.
You are missing a few points as well.
I see, then move Azathoth's body and Dream beyond Cosmos and everything will make sense then, I guess.
Since Mary's Garden didn't crumble immediately after ending D in BS1 I just tried to justify it as a Dream (Mary's) inside a Dream (Azathoth's). But I guess it's just for developer's convenience.
I see, my bad. Thanks for clarification.
1) Grimm/Carroll doesn't want real Alice Liddell, but the one he remembers in the past and wrote a book about: Alice's Adventure Underground or Alice in Wonderland. Or should I say that Grimm okay with TCO since he never knew little Alice, but Carroll did.
Press hereIll ask again. Does anyone have a 100% + DLC save they are willing to share or do i have to put countless ours into the game again?
1: Yes, I never said otherwise. I believe ending D is the intended final ending considering it sets up the story of BS 2. However, getting D end (technically achieving the requirements for D end) also affects C end so there is an intragame reason to do C end last.
Someone already pointed out that book is likely referring to Mary Sue killing her twin. This is supported by Jabberwock's dialogue just prior to entering the door to H route (she mentions taking care of some twins) and at the start of her solo battle in G route (in which she says she is the one who first gave Mary Sue fairy tales when she was a "child"). Finally, Mabel is ridiculously powerful. You really think a being that can encapsulate multiple powerful outer ones in their garden is gonna be killed by one that can barely handle one?
What is the point in looking for Alice? Alice Liddell did everything she could with a help of TCO to make Carroll forget real Alice and let his dream come true. If only Mary Sue and other Outer Ones didn't intervene... *sigh*
I meant that the Alice he truly wants was Alice-02, since she drops a fairy tale. But of course he can be easily manipulated into copulating with anything that looks and smells like Alice. If he was blind, perhaps he'd also have sex with a humming lady, since it's most probably mature version of Alice Liddell. Her drops are Girl's Photo and Girl's Scent.
At least most of them the books related to Mary Sue or her family, my bad. Then Baphomet tried to kill Mary Sue because she didn't need two of the same girl?
But if we are talking about Alice in Wonderland, Cheshire Cat is the author's avatar. I can only guess too what Toro choose in his own game, though I won't say that I'm 100% correct. Sometimes truth is much simpler than we may think.
How does it affects ending C?
Mostly agree but Grimm is not forced to "loop" but potentially choose himself to "loop", though "looping" perhaps isn't what you actually expect it to be, it's perhaps more like a "time travel", but I can be wrong.
In my theory Grimm didn't "loop" after getting C end and tried to achieve D end immediately after C, though he may "looped" after A or B endings. Also I didn't say that everything should reset after Grimm achieved any ending, but Grimm himself choose to loop after A or B endings. Since Grimm didn't achieve what he wanted with C end he decided to finally visit Black Trial. Though it's just a theory.
I meant that Mabel hated Alice for being the same as her and that words in book related to words of Alice who was killed.
Miranda talks down Lindamea instead of fighting him by telling him he and Baphomet are just acting like puppets according to Mary Sue's whims.
It's not time travel, in the sense that Grimm is going back to the past, as there are other things that carry over between loops. Node keeps a record of how many loops you have done, Grimm's own memory, red hood missing an arm.
I didn't say you said that either. Read what I wrote and not what you want to see.
But Mabel wouldn't be fine seeing it? That logic (if you can call it that) works both ways.
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This is why I can't call it "looping" nor "time travel" since it works very selective. You are not just walking into another layer of the same world like in Chaos Dungeon, nor you are going back in time since at some point Mabel creates a door to the DLC 3. saying "time only goes forward". So, it's just a partial reset, where Grimm, Outers One are not affected, and Red Hood is not affected for some reason (if you ignore her being as good as new until ending H).
I don't understand then why you implied that Grimm is forced to "loop" in every ending, since I didn't say that. But nevermind.
If that words in book belongs to Alice, what is the problem if Mabel hates her? I know that words "Seeing screaming, bleeding me being dragged into gears and crushed, I averted my eyes." can be perceived as if Mabel seeing Alice being dragged but not necessarily, Alice could talk about herself in a third person. Though I'm not asking you to believe it, I know that it sounds less believable than theory including Mary Sue.
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