Ren'Py Bobby's Memoirs of Depravity [v0.15.491] [ZipTieFun]

[Stil996]

....Why some of you take the crap they throw at us (lies and deceipt) so willingly is something I'm yet to understand

A strange post, very reasonable right up to the last line. What "crap" have they "thrown at us"? The only "crap throwing" I have seen so far is from membership here.
Failing to continue making a free game is not the same as throwing crap (neither is failing to communicate properly). It would have been nice to have had better communication/transparency (and nicer if they had made the game we were waiting for), But they aren't slaves, free people can choose to start something, and free people can choose to stop.

 

[edgaia]

A strange post, very reasonable right up to the last line. What "crap" have they "thrown at us"? The only "crap throwing" I have seen so far is from membership here.
Failing to continue making a free game is not the same as throwing crap (neither is failing to communicate properly). It would have been nice to have had better communication/transparency (and nicer if they had made the game we were waiting for), But they aren't slaves, free people can choose to start something, and free people can choose to stop.

Quando não se quer perceber...

# You always go that extra mile to miss the point... Suit yourself

 

[TommyTuba]

A strange post, very reasonable right up to the last line. What "crap" have they "thrown at us"? The only "crap throwing" I have seen so far is from membership here.
Failing to continue making a free game is not the same as throwing crap (neither is failing to communicate properly). It would have been nice to have had better communication/transparency (and nicer if they had made the game we were waiting for), But they aren't slaves, free people can choose to start something, and free people can choose to stop.

So it’s OK for “free people” to lie and deceive? I don’t blame Zip for deciding not to continue the game for whatever reason, but lying to his fan base (without a plausible explanation to the contrary) is just plain rude and he deserves all the vitriol he’s getting. IMHO.

 

[Kapparot]

A strange post, very reasonable right up to the last line. What "crap" have they "thrown at us"? The only "crap throwing" I have seen so far is from membership here.
Failing to continue making a free game is not the same as throwing crap (neither is failing to communicate properly). It would have been nice to have had better communication/transparency (and nicer if they had made the game we were waiting for), But they aren't slaves, free people can choose to start something, and free people can choose to stop.

Imagine he has private problems, something with his family or something.
Many accuse him of bad intentions, but maybe that's not the case. Maybe they mess it up themselves.
Of course you can ask but day after day combined with possibly false accusations based on ignorance...

 

[Kapparot]

So it’s OK for “free people” to lie and deceive? I don’t blame Zip for deciding not to continue the game for whatever reason, but lying to his fan base (without a plausible explanation to the contrary) is just plain rude and he deserves all the vitriol he’s getting. IMHO.

where you know hes lying? maby he just dont have the time? like some problems or what ever maby you are lying xD

 

[Stil996]

So it’s OK for “free people” to lie and deceive? I don’t blame Zip for deciding not to continue the game for whatever reason, but lying to his fan base (without a plausible explanation to the contrary) is just plain rude and he deserves all the vitriol he’s getting. IMHO.

You guys are really clinging to this "Lie" and "Deception" angle aren't you! The Evil Genius who uses "the dog ate my homework" excuse over and over because it is soooooo believable.

More likely he intended to deliver but something happened... How reasonable those "somethings" could be are debatable (ranging from reasonable like "Couldn't upload at work because the Boss has been watching too closely", to flaky "Got drunk and forgot"), and I'm not inclined to postulate to deeply because

1. I'm not inclined to create a list of excuses people might pick & choose from
2. I don't really care
3. ZipTie isn't a Slave

 

[Sonia64]

A strange post, very reasonable right up to the last line. What "crap" have they "thrown at us"? The only "crap throwing" I have seen so far is from membership here.
Failing to continue making a free game is not the same as throwing crap (neither is failing to communicate properly). It would have been nice to have had better communication/transparency (and nicer if they had made the game we were waiting for), But they aren't slaves, free people can choose to start something, and free people can choose to stop.

He is also getting crap on his Patreon, where people have subscribed and sent him money anticipating the Christmas Update that was "nearly finished" in January. He's been teasing along paying members for months. I gave a detailed timeline in a review of the game, showing just how incredulously long these delays have been ongoing. He paused billing for two months due to these delays, and I remained subscribed figuring that I wasn't paying for it and didn't have a right to complain. Once he turned billing back on for a game that hasn't released an update in 5 months even though they've been promised every month to the subscribers...he now deserves every bit of this.

 

[lxyzn]

He is also getting crap on his Patreon, where people have subscribed and sent him money anticipating the Christmas Update that was "nearly finished" in January. He's been teasing along paying members for months. I gave a detailed timeline in a review of the game, showing just how incredulously long these delays have been ongoing.

If the website is not updated for several months, it will be defined as abandoned games.

 

[Qalx]

Maybe he found a real job.

like rubbing mint, clipping leaves to dogs, and studying fart propulsion for the lazy…

 

[Qalx]

You guys are really clinging to this "Lie" and "Deception" angle aren't you! The Evil Genius who uses "the dog ate my homework" excuse over and over because it is soooooo believable.

More likely he intended to deliver but something happened... How reasonable those "somethings" could be are debatable (ranging from reasonable like "Couldn't upload at work because the Boss has been watching too closely", to flaky "Got drunk and forgot"), and I'm not inclined to postulate to deeply because

1. I'm not inclined to create a list of excuses people might pick & choose from
2. I don't really care
3. ZipTie isn't a Slave

"...ZipTie is not a slave", probably not, but you act like one, willing to unconditionally accept any ridiculous excuse he throws out and quietly and politely wait for whatever message he may send you when he feels like it , without needing any explanation for any of his questionable behavior.

 

[ma5k]

Keep Fighting guys

 

[Qalx]

where you know hes lying? maby he just dont have the time? like some problems or what ever maby you are lying xD

maybe you don't know what a lie is... even though we can't know for sure if he's making any real progress, what we do know for sure is that he's lied about his self-proclaimed delivery times every time since December. It's already a clear pattern, he announces the deadline, then a week or more later various excuses appear for non-delivery - the so-called delay, and then there are long periods of pause when maybe ”they” will forget all his promises. and the cycle can continue…

 

[Achilicheese]

All he gotta do is update us on what's going on is it really that hard to tell us maybe he ran into some issues like Zip come on man wish you would treat your supporter's well

He not gonna update you because he's not continuing the game. It's most likely abandoned and he trying to milk as much as possible.

 

[Stil996]

"...ZipTie is not a slave", probably not, but you act like one, willing to unconditionally accept any ridiculous excuse he throws out and quietly and politely wait for whatever message he may send you when he feels like it , without needing any explanation for any of his questionable behavior.

you really don't have any idea what a slave is do you? (Accepting excuses makes you a slave? cute!)
BTW I never said I accepted his excuses, his behaviour on that front has been poor (I simply don't whine about them). Bottom line is he doesn't need to explain anything to anyone because he isn't a slave, he has given me a free game and has the choice to stop giving me a free game (he doesn't "owe" anything). It sucks but that's how it is.

Ypu must be very young to struggle so much with this concept, when Daddy/Mommy failed to turn up for whatever event you participated in, it was so simple you'd rant "You're such a liar", "I Hate you" for a while, and they'd get guilty and over compensate with all manner of treats... But that's your parents, they like to pretend they love you, they are socially obligated to do so... That shit doesn't apply to others.... Wait.... is ZipTie your Daddy????
(I apologist for my assumption if so)

 

[Qalx]

you really don't have any idea what a slave is do you? (Accepting excuses makes you a slave? cute!)
BTW I never said I accepted his excuses, his behaviour on that front has been poor (I simply don't whine about them). Bottom line is he doesn't need to explain anything to anyone because he isn't a slave, he has given me a free game and has the choice to stop giving me a free game (he doesn't "owe" anything). It sucks but that's how it is.

Ypu must be very young to struggle so much with this concept, when Daddy/Mommy failed to turn up for whatever event you participated in, it was so simple you'd rant "You're such a liar", "I Hate you" for a while, and they'd get guilty and over compensate with all manner of treats... But that's your parents, they like to pretend they love you, they are socially obligated to do so... That shit doesn't apply to others.... Wait.... is ZipTie your Daddy????
(I apologist for my assumption if so)

from the extensive explanations here in this topic, clearly YOU have a "Daddy/Mommy" complex! I am not personally interested in this topic. My only problem with him is that he keeps trying to lie to me about the eventual delivery; I don't care if he still delivers or not. BTW I don't relate to the punishment/reward system, but it sounds like you do...

 

[Stil996]

from the extensive explanations here in this topic, clearly YOU have a "Daddy/Mommy" complex! I am not personally interested in this topic. My only problem with him is that he keeps trying to lie to me about the eventual delivery; I don't care if he still delivers or not.
from the extensive explanations here in this topic, clearly YOU have a "Daddy/Mommy" complex! I am not personally interested in this topic. My only problem with him is that he keeps trying to lie to me about the eventual delivery; I don't care if he still delivers or not. BTW I don't relate to the punishment/reward system, but it sounds like you do...

OMG LMAO... the old "I'm rubber, you're glue", and done seriously! ... OK Kiddo, not much I can say to that.

 

[lxyzn]

He not gonna update you because he's not continuing the game. It's most likely abandoned and he trying to milk as much as possible.

yes，what I want is that at least this update is released, and then I don't care whether he gives up or what.

 

[Qalx]

OMG LMAO... the old "I'm rubber, you're glue", and done seriously! ... OK Kiddo, not much I can say to that.

”Kiddo” if you occasionally (or even periodically) wet your pants, this is not proof that you are a "senior", mature and knowledgeable, there are other much simpler explanations, but which you still do not accept ... save these stories for your next visit to the shrink

 

[Stil996]

”Kiddo” if you occasionally (or even periodically) wet your pants, this is not proof that you are a "senior", mature and knowledgeable, there are other much simpler explanations, but which you still do not accept ... save these stories for your next visit to the shrink

You don't like being called "Kiddo"? I was being generous BTW, children at least have the capacity to learn & grow. The alternative explanations aren't so favorable.
But there is no point continuing this, all the arguments have been made AFAIK. Go back to your "grownup" insults if you wish.

 

[klou]

I'm curious as to what render will he use for the monthly tease.