Ren'Py Bobby's Memoirs of Depravity [v0.15.53] [ZipTieFun]

[Sid01]

need a hero 15.54 is out!!

Bobby's MoD 0.15.54 Dev Update

Hey Folks,

Sorry for the long delay... I been working out some of the new story-lines and have been thinking what the best direction.... also the night-club will become a focus point for some some of the main characters so I want the it to be good.

The good news is that I have it sorted now, so I can start putting in the rest of the content.

I had to re-render some of the scenes as I could not find the original 1080 version as I may of deleted them while I was drunk or high but they look a lot better also I gave the club-owner some enhancements so she look and feel better ...

I will post another update in a few days on a release with info on what will be in the release once I am 100% sure I can get it out... as I have a bad habit of not been on time.... and yes there will be content with Lucy as well.....

Anyhoo my skin is starting to turn blue...

Zip

 

[redharvest1]

Someone be a hero and post link

need a hero 15.54 is out

It's not out yet dummy... learn to fucking read, merely a progress report on the next patch FFS.

 

[Brad90]

It looks promising if and when it arrives

 

[edgaia]

Evolving typically means advancing not regressing several years. Once again the ren'py coding used by Ziptiefun looks like it was written by a drunken monkey or a 12 year old, Rainces's coding is way more polished and sophisticated than anything Zip has scripted. One looks like it was written by someone struggling to follow along on a Youtube tutorial and the other looks like it was scripted by someone with a lot of practice.
For example, I lost count of the number of conditional checks I found floating around in Zip's last release that literally do NOTHING, entire pages of useless deadend triggers that don't even affect the game.

As for the art evolving, once again it is IMPOSSIBLE for two artists to use the same base assets and get identical results, and the differences (which you apparently cannot see) are glaring and obvious to anyone who has experience with rendering no matter how hard they try. Personal styles are as distinct as fingerprints to other artists.

The only thing both developers have in common is they both produce a weak ass ripoff of the original game and both consistently duped their subscribers... although ZIP is by far the worst offender when it comes to that.

Evolução significa mudança. Apenas isso.

# Evolving is not always in a positive manner. It's just a change favored by the environment (community in this case). Just check Theory of Evolution. So evolving from RA to Zip is possible, like the dinosaurs to birds.

But I understand what you mean. Their scripting is different, their artwork is different, their code is different, therefore they're different people.

No... They're one and the same in different periods with different goals. One alias was making a game from the ground up (better structure), the other alias is making a mod, reusing and tweaking the original code basis, focusing on improving his rendering skills, on which he thinks he's falling behind...

They "worked" together in the original,
they share the same typos and misspellings (some of them really basic),
zip used the same renders from the original in the mod for years without any kind of conflict,
they never talked to each other "in public" (discord or here),
they ghost a lot and milk this to the bone
Axeman (zip) came about when fans started complaining about the lack of sex in the original game

So... Let's agree to disagree.

 

[edgaia]

Is ZipTieFun a Russian?

Não... Esses produzem.

# No... Those deliver.

 

[Sid01]

# Evolving is not always in a positive manner. It's just a change favored by the environment (community in this case). Just check Theory of Evolution. So evolving from RA to Zip is possible, like the dinosaurs to birds.

This wouldn't be evolution, but total regression. Someone who was able to create a reasonably sensible plot and develop it from update to update now has a problem consistently copying their achievements and using models and consistently sticking to the plot. It doesn't make sense. Someone who had an idea for the game was replaced by someone who has no idea for the game and can only imitate by adding scenes.

 

[edgaia]

This wouldn't be evolution, but total regression. Someone who was able to create a reasonably sensible plot and develop it from update to update now has a problem consistently copying their achievements and using models and consistently sticking to the plot. It doesn't make sense. Someone who had an idea for the game was replaced by someone who has no idea for the game and can only imitate by adding scenes.

Evolução é mudança para melhor ou pior.

# Evolution doesn't mean getting better but getting different. Watch "Dragon Ball Evolution". It sucks . You agree v0.15.494 was getting quite good, right? It's the same person from this v0.15.53 joke of a game. He is more than capable of doing this right, he simply doesn't want to.

 

[Sid01]

Evolução é mudança para melhor ou pior.

# Evolution doesn't mean getting better but getting different. Watch "Dragon Ball Evolution". It sucks . You agree v0.15.494 was getting quite good, right? It's the same person from this v0.15.53 joke of a game. He is more than capable of doing this right, he simply doesn't want to.

No, it's not different. It's the same game, only simplified, devoid of any depth. As if someone was cooking the same dish, but forgot the recipe and did it terribly sluggishly. Zip is terribly tiring, he can only write and when it comes down to it, you get the same content that you saw a few years ago. Even more limited and simplified. Zip added the game over system as his own idea. He later gave up on it, and now he's going to come back to it and everyone is happy. This game is not only not developing, it's regressing and becoming more and more shallow.

 

[edgaia]

No, it's not different. It's the same game, only simplified, devoid of any depth. As if someone was cooking the same dish, but forgot the recipe and did it terribly sluggishly. Zip is terribly tiring, he can only write and when it comes down to it, you get the same content that you saw a few years ago. Even more limited and simplified. Zip added the game over system as his own idea. He later gave up on it, and now he's going to come back to it and everyone is happy. This game is not only not developing, it's regressing and becoming more and more shallow.

Mesmo que simplifique, é uma evolução, como nas especies... Mesmo que seja na direçao errada.

# It's about the same because it's a BBS game. It's meant to be that way.

And yes everything you say is correct: shallow, regressing,...

But that's how it evolved with Zip, like it or not. Just like some species became simpler, smaller, more irrelevant. This game has evolved to something worse but it's evolution. It became this piece of crap, I agree. But it didn't go back to a previous "form" (version), it's changed to this blob of goo because this permanent teasing and dragging serves his purposes.

 

[Lexao]

as soon as subscribers drop, he releases a small update)) and the main thing is that people still fall for it..

 

[mikednew]

Enough already. Look I damned sure am not a fan of Ziptiefun's lying ass BUT to say he's Rainces is laughable. If there is one thing coding (even in Ren'py) and producing Renders via Daz3d have it's the uniqueness of each individuals work. Anyone with the slightest proficiency in Ren'py and Daz3d can easily distinguish the coding and artistic style between users.

I agree.

I did manage to make a render that would be hard to distinguish from the original (I managed to get to this result after many attempts and after having to search for the assets myself. There are some details to get right, such as the pose, nail color, breast size, etc., but you can get the idea):

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However, if I were to create a scene that Rainces hadn't made, that is, without the visual reference, it would certainly have a different style, aesthetics and poses than the one he uses, even if I tried to emulate his style. It's like you said, each artist will put individual touches on what they do.

And the writing is another glaring difference between Rainces and Ziptie. I'm absolutely certain that they're not the same person. Given the time Rainces spent making the game, he would have to like what he was doing, so he would put ideas that he likes, and Ziptie's ideas are very different. Even his sense of humor is different.

As for the code, I wouldn't know what to say. As a player, it doesn't seem to me that the ZIP code has any problems. For what it intends, it seems that the code can deliver. A kinetic story has a very basic code, but for a kinetic story a simple code will do.

He builds a basement simply to watch sexy yoga poses when he was sneaking into his landlady's room and raping?

hahahah good point.

This wouldn't be evolution, but total regression. It's the same game, only simplified, devoid of any depth.

I agree! But about the game over system, it already existed in BBS. In the original version, when you choose to spank more Lucy's ass and Bob starts rubbing her dick, Anna catches him and it's obviously game over. In the first Zips version Anna sees the scene and just sends Bob to the bedroom and in the other day Lucy tells Anna what Bob did, as if she hadn't seen it! Zip reused dialogues from the original, which made his version full of inconsistencies. In his version it was game over if the player chose to rape Lucy, which made Anna appear holding an axe and kill Bob. There was an 8-bit fighting music while Bob was fighting Lucy. Anyway... some really silly random stuff and it seems that Zip didn't evolve since then. Why do I remember these details? I don't remember, but I wrote several game reviews on the Lewdninja website and they're all there and I was able to reread my comments about darkpath from years ago.

 

[edgaia]

I agree.

I did manage to make a render that would be hard to distinguish from the original (I managed to get to this result after many attempts and after having to search for the assets myself. There are some details to get right, such as the pose, nail color, breast size, etc., but you can get the idea):

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However, if I were to create a scene that Rainces hadn't made, that is, without the visual reference, it would certainly have a different style, aesthetics and poses than the one he uses, even if I tried to emulate his style. It's like you said, each artist will put individual touches on what they do.

And the writing is another glaring difference between Rainces and Ziptie. I'm absolutely certain that they're not the same person. Given the time Rainces spent making the game, he would have to like what he was doing, so he would put ideas that he likes, and Ziptie's ideas are very different. Even his sense of humor is different.

As for the code, I wouldn't know what to say. As a player, it doesn't seem to me that the ZIP code has any problems. For what it intends, it seems that the code can deliver. A kinetic story has a very basic code, but for a kinetic story a simple code will do.



hahahah good point.



I agree! But about the game over system, it already existed in BBS. In the original version, when you choose to spank more Lucy's ass and Bob starts rubbing her dick, Anna catches him and it's obviously game over. In the first Zips version Anna sees the scene and just sends Bob to the bedroom and in the other day Lucy tells Anna what Bob did, as if she hadn't seen it! Zip reused dialogues from the original, which made his version full of inconsistencies. In his version it was game over if the player chose to rape Lucy, which made Anna appear holding an axe and kill Bob. There was an 8-bit fighting music while Bob was fighting Lucy. Anyway... some really silly random stuff and it seems that Zip didn't evolve since then. Why do I remember these details? I don't remember, but I wrote several game reviews on the Lewdninja website and they're all there and I was able to reread my comments about darkpath from years ago.

Tudo certo na vossa argumentação se as pessoas se mantivessem sempre iguais. Mas não, elas evoluem, mudam de objectivos, experimentam ou até encarnam novas personas/heteronimos para projecto paralelos. Tal como os escritores. RAInces seria o trabalho a sério, Axeman/Zip seria para experiencias que ele faria com o jogo daí as inconsistencias... O tempo dirá.

# I really understand that point of view of you people... It makes total sense, but...

People wanted sex in BBS. RAInces didn't want to mess with the original game premises (afraid of ruining the game and his cash cow) so he found this solution (experimental side project).

He has no problem assuming new aliases - just to bash on critics for example, AG comes to mind, among others.

The original game is intact, the mod can take whatever form he wants. All those inconstancies/ inconsistencies in the mod: good old stuff (not for me) getting removed like game over, fight scenes or sound effects, nonsense content squeezed in (brainless fuckfest, unappealing characters,...) and constant revamping show just that.

I understand I'm alone on this one. But time will tell.

 

[TommyTuba]

I don't know what he intends to do, but from what you said, he already has all the renders to get to the point where he stopped and restarted the project. If he's going to follow the same path, then he could easily make regular updates.

If Zip wanted, I could help him for free with writing and even creating some scenes in Daz Studio so he could render them on his computer. What he's doing with the characters is really bad. Maybe I could help him put things in a more consistent way with the original characters and with what made BBS win so many fans.

That would be good. Can you contact him directly?

 

[mikednew]

That would be good. Can you contact him directly?

He already responded to my comment, but he didn't say anything about wanting me to help him write. I think if he continues to make money doing things the way he does, he has no reason to change.

 

[Badboy00712345]

Tudo certo na vossa argumentação se as pessoas se mantivessem sempre iguais. Mas não, elas evoluem, mudam de objectivos, experimentam ou até encarnam novas personas/heteronimos para projecto paralelos. Tal como os escritores. RAInces seria o trabalho a sério, Axeman/Zip seria para experiencias que ele faria com o jogo daí as inconsistencias... O tempo dirá.

# I really understand that point of view of you people... It makes total sense, but...

People wanted sex in BBS. RAInces didn't want to mess with the original game premises (afraid of ruining the game and his cash cow) so he found this solution (experimental side project).

He has no problem assuming new aliases - just to bash on critics for example, AG comes to mind, among others.

The original game is intact, the mod can take whatever form he wants. All those inconstancies/ inconsistencies in the mod: good old stuff (not for me) getting removed like game over, fight scenes or sound effects, nonsense content squeezed in (brainless fuckfest, unappealing characters,...) and constant revamping show just that.

I understand I'm alone on this one. But time will tell.

Are you RAinces's broker ?

 

[mikednew]

People wanted sex in BBS. RAInces didn't want to mess with the original game premises (afraid of ruining the game and his cash cow) so he found this solution (experimental side project).

I agree that this could happen. He could profit in two ways. However, if you look beyond all the visible differences like the writing, the aesthetics, the characters, etc., even the way he coded the games is quite different. Details like the way he organizes the script folders, for example.

Of course, people evolve and change, but Axeman99 started making his mod while Rainces was still active. So what he would have learned would have been used in both games. In the fan art thread, you can see a few messages from Rainces praising one or another fanart. In 2024 we also see a message from Rainces saying he's looking for people to make renders of secondary characters. You don't see any interaction between the two but we don't see Rainces interacting with almost anyone... In 8 years here he only sent 24 messages. If it were a case of trying to deceive people to prove that they are different people, all they would have to do would be to interact here, logging into different accounts. Don't you agree? Wouldn't it look like they are two different people? But apparently that didn't happen because they are not the same person and they are not trying to make it look like they are two. And Axeman99 (ziptiefun) was able to use the game's assets without conflict because this is a piracy site and if Rainces complained about Zip's mod, the site's staff wouldn't do anything. I know this because they have already told me that they do not remove content even at the request of the content owner. Rainces certainly wouldn't trigger legal mechanisms, because the BBS itself is already illegal in many countries and possibly in his. So, in the same way that I made my minigame with the game's assets, and just like the guy who makes BBS2 also uses it, Zip also uses it and Rainces won't do anything about it.

The idea that they are the same person only favors Zip. Because it seems to me that he wants people to think that they are all the same game.

 

[edgaia]

I agree that this could happen. He could profit in two ways. However, if you look beyond all the visible differences like the writing, the aesthetics, the characters, etc., even the way he coded the games is quite different. Details like the way he organizes the script folders, for example.

Of course, people evolve and change, but Axeman99 started making his mod while Rainces was still active. So what he would have learned would have been used in both games. In the fan art thread, you can see a few messages from Rainces praising one or another fanart. In 2024 we also see a message from Rainces saying he's looking for people to make renders of secondary characters. You don't see any interaction between the two but we don't see Rainces interacting with almost anyone... In 8 years here he only sent 24 messages. If it were a case of trying to deceive people to prove that they are different people, all they would have to do would be to interact here, logging into different accounts. Don't you agree? Wouldn't it look like they are two different people? But apparently that didn't happen because they are not the same person and they are not trying to make it look like they are two. And Axeman99 (ziptiefun) was able to use the game's assets without conflict because this is a piracy site and if Rainces complained about Zip's mod, the site's staff wouldn't do anything. I know this because they have already told me that they do not remove content even at the request of the content owner. Rainces certainly wouldn't trigger legal mechanisms, because the BBS itself is already illegal in many countries and possibly in his. So, in the same way that I made my minigame with the game's assets, and just like the guy who makes BBS2 also uses it, Zip also uses it and Rainces won't do anything about it.

The idea that they are the same person only favors Zip. Because it seems to me that he wants people to think that they are all the same game.

Podiamos estar nisto tempos infinitos... Axeman só apareceu por queixa dos fãs... Ambos trabalharam juntos mas não há qualquer registo de interação entre os 2? Ambos usam o f95zone e o discord, são amigos, desenvolvem a mesma ideia mas não comunicam?? Aqui há tanta censura, com moderadores a apagar tudo e a ameaçar toda a gente e entre eles nada? Só favorece 1 porque são apenas 1.

# We could do this forever...

Axeman came about due to fans complaints. He could do both as this was less demanding (same renders and a few new).

Both worked together but there's no evidence of interaction between them. Both are here and on discord, they're friends, they work on games with same core theme but still no communication or conflict?? You are here, SummmerP was here, OGrey was here...

There's a lot of censorship in this platform, with moderators killing off whole conversations about the game, due to reporting or to the "rules", but nothing here? Making money with someone else's renders? No reports, no arguments... Not same idea but same renders and for years. Nahh... Same person.

This is a "piracy" site used by devs to promote themselves. Nobody is stealing anything (except daz assets). If they want free advertising, they should deliver the full game to the audience (or at least a public version).

This only favors 1 person because they are one and the same.

 

[mikednew]

Aqui há tanta censura, com moderadores a apagar tudo e a ameaçar toda a gente e entre eles nada?

Yes, there is a lot of censorship and reports, but I PERSONALLY asked for MY minigame to be removed and the staff told me they wouldn't do it because they keep anything that has a minimum of sexual content and they won't remove anything even at the request of the game owner. So even if Rainces made any complaint, neither the moderators nor the staff (who control the moderators) would do anything about it.

Of course, if you talk about a game in the thread of another game, or if you go on and on in discussions that they consider to be off-topic, the moderators will delete the message. Because there are explicit rules about this, but there is no rule that prohibits you from pirating or stealing other people's work hahah.

Of course, you can continue to think that they are the same person, but the basis for you thinking about this is quite unfounded. The discussion won't last forever because there are no more points that we can discuss.

 

[edgaia]

Yes, there is a lot of censorship and reports, but I PERSONALLY asked for MY minigame to be removed and the staff told me they wouldn't do it because they keep anything that has a minimum of sexual content and they won't remove anything even at the request of the game owner. So even if Rainces made any complaint, neither the moderators nor the staff (who control the moderators) would do anything about it.

Of course, if you talk about a game in the thread of another game, or if you go on and on in discussions that they consider to be off-topic, the moderators will delete the message. Because there are explicit rules about this, but there is no rule that prohibits you from pirating or stealing other people's work hahah.

Of course, you can continue to think that they are the same person, but the basis for you thinking about this is quite unfounded. The discussion won't last forever because there are no more points that we can discuss.

Sim, eu percebo isso mas seja como for teria que haver algum tipo de indicio comunicação ou desconforto entre eles e não há nada, em lado nenhum. É como se o RAInces simplesmente não soubesse que o jogo do Zip existe e isso não é possivel. O zip tinha cenas inteiras do jogo original no DAZ Studio para renderizar. Desculpa? Trabalharam juntos. O timing de aparecimento do Zip, os mesmos erros ortograficos, a mesma chulice e falta de respeito para com os fãs, a criação de usuarios falsos,... Demasiada coincidencia. Mas sim, esta discussão já esgotou.

# Yeah I get that. But there should always be some kind of trace of communication or discomfort between them. Nothing.
It's like RAInces never got to know Zip's game/mod exists and that's simply not possible. All devs related to BBS have come here or to RA's thread at least once. It can't be any different unless there's something fishy...

Zip showed raw scenes from the original game in DAZ Studio ready to render. Excuse? They worked together... Bullshit. The timing for zip's appearance, using original renders, same basic typos, same milking and lack of respect for the fans, aliases... Too much coincidence. But yeah this discussion is over.

 

[mikednew]

Yeah I get that. But there should always be some kind of trace of communication or discomfort between them. Nothing.
It's like RAInces never got to know Zip's game/mod exists and that's simply not possible.

You raised a new point and I want to talk about it, but first look at this:

You pointed out common grammar and typing errors. But Zip writes his characters exactly the way he speaks. That's why it's so poorly written. Lucy speaks like Bob, who speaks like Lisa, who speaks like Jenny... and they all speak like, guess what... Zip!

"ANYHOO"..

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About Rainces' knowledge of the mod:

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Look... I'm not saying it's impossible for them to be the same person, but there are a lot of things that indicate otherwise. You're not the only one who has thought or thinks this:

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A curious thing is that of the few interactions RAinces had on the forum over these 8 years, 3 were liking your messages. I think you're Rainces!