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Why does every RPGM game that has a free roam part thinks it's a good idea to make you repeat the same actions over and over again at the beginning to slowly grind arbitrarily high stats ?
Do people enjoy that ?

Genuinely asking because if nearly every game does that there must be a good reason.
I personnally find it frustrating and boring, but maybe I'm missing something

At least this game here avoids the other very annoying trope of RPGM games: overly big map sizes, which is a big plus already.
But I've been playing for close to 2h now, and all I've achieved is a bit of groping (that fails the stat check), the beginning of the bestiality scene and peeking.
1- the statistics system serves to cover the little content that there is.

2-I think that very few people enjoy that maximum between 10 and 15 percent.

3- the size of the map serves to keep you entertained giving you the false feeling that the game has a lot of content since it takes you a long time to do the quests and some games are very ambiguous making you talk to every fucking npc in the game to find the damn item what do you need
 

TrialRagnarok

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Why does every RPGM game that has a free roam part thinks it's a good idea to make you repeat the same actions over and over again at the beginning to slowly grind arbitrarily high stats ?
Do people enjoy that ?

Genuinely asking because if nearly every game does that there must be a good reason.
I personnally find it frustrating and boring, but maybe I'm missing something

At least this game here avoids the other very annoying trope of RPGM games: overly big map sizes, which is a big plus already.
But I've been playing for close to 2h now, and all I've achieved is a bit of groping (that fails the stat check), the beginning of the bestiality scene and peeking.
You can use these saves to skip the points grinding. Ain't a solution to the game's mechanics but it'll help you see everything a bit quicker.

Download, drag and drop the extracted files in the root folder (where the .exe file is located). Make a backup of your own, if the names are the same, you could overwrite your saves (in case you want to keep them).
 
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devilxxx

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Why does every RPGM game that has a free roam part thinks it's a good idea to make you repeat the same actions over and over again at the beginning to slowly grind arbitrarily high stats ?
Do people enjoy that ?

Genuinely asking because if nearly every game does that there must be a good reason.
I personnally find it frustrating and boring, but maybe I'm missing something

At least this game here avoids the other very annoying trope of RPGM games: overly big map sizes, which is a big plus already.
But I've been playing for close to 2h now, and all I've achieved is a bit of groping (that fails the stat check), the beginning of the bestiality scene and peeking.
You have to find the right level of grind. Grind is used to get players attached to a game. If you invest time, you getting attached to the game, because your mind tells you "I played for so many hours, I can't give up now else everything would be wasted!". And every now and then you get a reward of a new scene and this triggers other levels in your brain. Boom, more attachment.

The grind in this game is okish, but not to much. Also this is a incest theme. Convincing a family to have sex and feel good with it needs some time. If it would be a go to the club and bang some random girl game, then yes the grind would be to much.
 

yercat

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Man i don't know if it's just me, but i REALLY like the interative grope scenes, like Martha on phone, lucille on sink, vera reading and mia on bathroom, i wish that it get more focus on it and variations, more options, better animations and reactions , only me?
Same here, still there should be more interaction in it and dialogues.
 

yercat

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Why does every RPGM game that has a free roam part thinks it's a good idea to make you repeat the same actions over and over again at the beginning to slowly grind arbitrarily high stats ?
Do people enjoy that ?

Genuinely asking because if nearly every game does that there must be a good reason.
I personnally find it frustrating and boring, but maybe I'm missing something

At least this game here avoids the other very annoying trope of RPGM games: overly big map sizes, which is a big plus already.
But I've been playing for close to 2h now, and all I've achieved is a bit of groping (that fails the stat check), the beginning of the bestiality scene and peeking.
It's the new way of making games, this happens in the big industry too, like in the gatcha games where you kind of gamble to get a character of your like but then you gotta lvl up by doing the same shit over and over again. You got achievements too, like shoot players in the dick 1 million times to get the gold dicke and balls. Almost every game has his grind in a way or another and you know what, it's not bad as long it's not the example i gave you before.
 

Madeni

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You have to find the right level of grind. Grind is used to get players attached to a game. If you invest time, you getting attached to the game, because your mind tells you "I played for so many hours, I can't give up now else everything would be wasted!". And every now and then you get a reward of a new scene and this triggers other levels in your brain. Boom, more attachment.

The grind in this game is okish, but not to much. Also this is a incest theme. Convincing a family to have sex and feel good with it needs some time. If it would be a go to the club and bang some random girl game, then yes the grind would be to much.
What you're highlighting is exactly my issue: sunk-cost fallacy is a lazy way to drive player engagement (and a boring way for me as a player). It always leads to unnecessarily bloated experiences that could easily be trimmed down and be better as a result because the experience would become more focused on the core aspects.
I don't mind games that take their time if the writing and developments justify the time it takes. One I love like that is Long Live the Princess where getting to the sister character is very long and tricky, BUT ! Along the way you get an engaging magic-murder-mystery story and get to uncover more about that sister. There's also a lesbian you can turn Bi or straight if you want, entirely as side content, and it also takes time to develop, but each scene tends to be different, you're progressing a storyline, not repeating an action for a nebulous stat increase.
There's stats grind, and it takes a while to get them to the max and unlock everything, but it doesn't matter because you're experiencing scenes and story-moments along the way. This games strikes the right balance of porn and compelling storytelling for me. Nothing too fancy, but still some nice twists and layered characters to learn about (like I said, nothing too fancy, but it's miles above most of the competition)
Here in The Manor, all I'm doing is spying on characters, perving a bit on them and playing tag all to raise the stats and unlock the scenes.
There's not really any engaging story going on in this phase, it's mindless grind. And even when I unlock scenes, it doesn't feel earned (neither from a narrative standpoint, nor from a gameplay standpoint).
EDIT: To further explain the previous point in less words: There's no "AH HA !" moment, it's all "FINALLY.", if that makes sense

My go-to example for a well balanced game with this kind of grind is Summer Memories. The story is nothing special, in fact it has a lot in common with the setup from Bones' Tales: The Manor: "Young man gets in house with 3 women, 2 young, 1 older, sexy time ensues".
But the unlocks are constant, you always have something new gameplay-wise to build towards with the currency you get, and by upgrading the character, you unlock new scenes because the way you get currency is through interaction with the family members.
Even without talking about the porn content itself (which I find excellent), the core gameplay loop is something you could release as a full indie game without the porn and I wouldn't bat an eye, it's very solid and well balanced with a variety of ways to progress.

That's not something I would say of The Manor unfortunately.
There's no decision making when you're grinding in this game, it's a very rigid set of things you have to do to raise the stats and that's it.

I'm sure the H-scenes in The Manor are good, but the game as a package I find lacking unfortunately.
And it's made worse by the fact that I have to wait so long to get to the H-scenes for no good reason (because nothing changes between my actions that raise Lust/Guilt/Trust, I'm just repeating the same think until it unlocks the new part, after which I'll repeat the process)
 
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but now without kidding: the Manor has only one big sellingpoint: The Art. It is a cool and sexy artstyle.... and the Story COULD have some potential besides the cocky Shota creeping for his family. I am talking about Doyle. There is a huge potential of story to be unfold.... (yep.... and "sexy scenes" of Doyle and his female family members.... i know most of you are here for the i-word :p )
There are many oportunities to develop the story. But that won't happen. Once he start this people will demand more..... and by now we know the certain skeleton hates work. The grind is a way to simulate more content and extent the playing time.
 

Madeni

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but now without kidding: the Manor has only one big sellingpoint: The Art. It is a cool and sexy artstyle.... and the Story COULD have some potential besides the cocky Shota creeping for his family. I am talking about Doyle. There is a huge potential of story to be unfold.... (yep.... and "sexy scenes" of Doyle and his female family members.... i know most of you are here for the i-word :p )
There are many oportunities to develop the story. But that won't happen. Once he start this people will demand more..... and by now we know the certain skeleton hates work. The grind is a way to simulate more content and extent the playing time.
That's the issue I'm seeing with a lot of games.
The big one that comes in mind is Daily Lives of my Countryside.
The game has GORGEOUS artwork, seriously, it's insane, and incredible scenes already.

However... The game's structure is complete crap. It takes forever to unlock anything, the clues are convoluted and unintuitive, so in the end you're better off playing the scenes in the unlocked gallery than actually playing the game.

But instead of getting back to square one and completely re-designing the game to make a better gameplay experience, the developer keeps adding new characters, new scenes, new locations, etc. which the games has already a lot of.
That's not bad in itself, but it's such a shame to have all this amazing work go to waste on a game that's barely playable

BUT... That's what people want. That's what they are here for: the gorgeous porn. So the dev is giving people what they want, and that's cool ! But at this point just remove the gameplay from your game, or scale down a LOT so the experience gets smoother for people that just want to enjoy the porn.
 

DatWanGai

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My go-to example for a well-balanced game with this kind of grind is Summer Memories. The story is nothing special, in fact it has a lot in common with the setup from Bones' Tales: The Manor: "Young man gets in house with 3 women, 2 young, 1 older, sexy time ensues".
But the unlocks are constant, you always have something new gameplay-wise to build towards with the currency you get, and by upgrading the character, you unlock new scenes because the way you get currency is through interaction with the family members.
Even without talking about the porn content itself (which I find excellent), the core gameplay loop is something you could release as a full indie game without the porn and I wouldn't bat an eye, it's very solid and well balanced with a variety of ways to progress.
Summer Memories is both a good and bad example. Gameplay wise, it's great. You get reward for doing the thing you want to do by unlocking more things to do. So even though it's a grind (and yes it IS a grind) it doesn't feel like one. But it's easy to do so because of the story. The main girls are already accepting of the MC it's simply a matter of how much they will let him get away with it. Hell you immediately get service scenes from the older sister and the mom knowingly let's you grind on her just in the tutorial/prologue, the girls have no resistance against him. As the original title of this game says, they are out to spoil you.

In this game, the MC has to trick/guilt trip/take advantage of curiosity to eventually lead on the girls into sexual acts because the girls have that resistance. There's definitely a way that he can make that grind more enjoyable, but the grind from a narrative perspective is 100% necessary. Personally, I would add in more to do that raises those stats as well as lowering the needed amount to unlock. To the point where just trying to see everything you can do with a specific girl will almost seamlessly unlock new things, thus making things flow better and players don't even realize they are grinding.
 

Madeni

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Summer Memories is both a good and bad example. Gameplay wise, it's great. You get reward for doing the thing you want to do by unlocking more things to do. So even though it's a grind (and yes it IS a grind) it doesn't feel like one. But it's easy to do so because of the story. The main girls are already accepting of the MC it's simply a matter of how much they will let him get away with it. Hell you immediately get service scenes from the older sister and the mom knowingly let's you grind on her just in the tutorial/prologue, the girls have no resistance against him. As the original title of this game says, they are out to spoil you.

In this game, the MC has to trick/guilt trip/take advantage of curiosity to eventually lead on the girls into sexual acts because the girls have that resistance. There's definitely a way that he can make that grind more enjoyable, but the grind from a narrative perspective is 100% necessary. Personally, I would add in more to do that raises those stats as well as lowering the needed amount to unlock. To the point where just trying to see everything you can do with a specific girl will almost seamlessly unlock new things, thus making things flow better and players don't even realize they are grinding.
I agree on both points.
Games don't have to be grindy. And if you feel the grinding experience would add to your game, it doesn't need to be repetitive.
In the end what matters is the player's experience, and that's subjective.
But I don't think a lot of people would complain if The Manor had less repetitive tasks to do until the girls cave-in to the guilt/trick/lust.
It's just a matter of writing the scenes properly, not a matter of how long you repeated the exact same thing that somehow leads the character to take different actions after 5 days of doing nothing.
 

DatWanGai

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I agree on both points.
Games don't have to be grindy. And if you feel the grinding experience would add to your game, it doesn't need to be repetitive.
In the end what matters is the player's experience, and that's subjective.
But I don't think a lot of people would complain if The Manor had less repetitive tasks to do until the girls cave-in to the guilt/trick/lust.
It's just a matter of writing the scenes properly, not a matter of how long you repeated the exact same thing that somehow leads the character to take different actions after 5 days of doing nothing.
Umu, lowering the points needed, giving more points per action or adding new actions that give points would be extremely helpful. As I said, personally would go with the new actions because....who wouldn't want to see more?

Like I don't understand why the "spending the day with xxx" doesn't have scenes attached to it. Just a here's 5 points then fade to black. Easy way to cut down on the grindy feeling and it provides content, two birds one stand user.
 

devilxxx

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I still think the grind is ok. What is lacking is more rewarding scenes, where you can feel or see some progress. I agree with that. A good example is something like a diary, where the girls write down all their kinky thoughts, where you can feel the inner fight they have. I always found that really nice. Or some spying scenes. Little progress scenes would be nice. But we all know, this will never happen. We still have not implemented scenes from the beginning and the work ethic... yeah just forget it
 

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... or scale down a LOT so the experience gets smoother for people that just want to enjoy the porn.
Why always tone down shit to the lowest common denominator? If you want to 'enjoy the porn', just watch porn or go to rule34 websites or whatever, there's literally tons of content that's easily consumable without gameplay getting in your way.
I enjoy the game as it is.
 

Madeni

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Umu, lowering the points needed, giving more points per action or adding new actions that give points would be extremely helpful. As I said, personally would go with the new actions because....who wouldn't want to see more?

Like I don't understand why the "spending the day with xxx" doesn't have scenes attached to it. Just a here's 5 points then fade to black. Easy way to cut down on the grindy feeling and it provides content, two birds one stand user.
I just discovered that feature, and MY GOD does it make the game a whole lot more enjoyable to just be able to skip the tedious scene repeats.
Another game comes to mind when it comes to all the relationships taking time to get to the sexual parts (sister and mother included to): Summertime Saga
In this one no grind, you just have to complete the storylines and discover how to progress in them. Which to me is way more compelling than just repeating the same scenes to fill up an arbitrary gauge.
 
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Madeni

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Why always tone down shit to the lowest common denominator? If you want to 'enjoy the porn', just watch porn or go to rule34 websites or whatever, there's literally tons of content that's easily consumable without gameplay getting in your way.
I enjoy the game as it is.
I argue for the exact opposite.
I want my porn games to also be good games, not just something I slog through to get to the porn.
But if I have the choice between a non-game with just porn scenes and a slog that takes ages to get anywhere with boring gameplay, I'd take the former, which is my entire point.

You either make your gameplay good, or you remove it to let people access the scenes easier because at this point that's all you are offering.
Some games manage to do both like Summer Memories, or MonsterGirlDreams (for the Ren'Py RPG genre), but those are the absolute minority of porn games.

You are the one settling for mediocrity here, not me
 
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