This. If they don't want to add gay content that's fine, but then the gay tag is a bit misleading. I think there's a few FxF scenes between Cece and some girl monsters, but no MxM ones. As I saw the gay tag I definitely tried to pair male monsters and was promptly disappointed as you said.
I'm talking about poor game design and decision making, e.g. multiple unfinished, unpolished, redundant features or the inclusion of unfinished artwork / animations. Also, as mentioned, this is already v0.4.1 and not even the first quest can be completed, resulting in a disappearing protagonist. Now if you tell me this is new since a recent patch it will only get a lot worse.
In what world can this be justified as good?
How is it possible to create more content by just polishing things? I think you are just a troll. No offense here, just what I think about your message. So, let me pass your question back to you: What are you talking about?
I think these quotes speak for themselves.
because the first quest is the main one, and the the entire plot line? Finishing it is finishing the game, basically. There are different types of approaches to the story. Get the bugs out of the side quests - bum = (a typical jav game in terms of content)^2. Tho the elfs line is not done. Whatever. They never said it's finished.
WiP is WiP. Can't criticize it as a final product, yet.
There is enough content for a small game, imo. If they want to expand - their choice. If it's a burden to them - finish the animations for MC, the already existing quest and voila. Judge a final product, if you wish. What is the game missing? That's what i didn't understood from your comment. Only thing I understood is: "the game is bad because it's unfinished". And it never was presented as a finished one.
I liked the game, ok? And imo it's better, way better than the infamous predecessor, or inspired one, whatever. I took the bitching in it's direction a little more serious that i normally would. But... at least make it constructive criticism.
Nagging the bugs or unfinished plot lines is not criticism, it's just understandable, for the game is WiP. If it was declared finished, then the bugs and plot holes can be shit upon. *cough cough* MG5 *cough cough*
Nagging the bugs or unfinished plot lines is not criticism, it's just understandable, for the game is WiP. If it was declared finished, then the bugs and plot holes can be shit upon. *cough cough* MG5 *cough cough*
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I'll remove the gay tag for now, I wasn't really one to add it.
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IMO the Elves shouldn't be "monsters" but more equals of humans and thus a simple and easy way to actually include pregnancy content into this breeding game (breeding season also had this issue). Them being so apprehensive in the plot and their art looking so unassured clashes greatly when you can breed them with a barely anthropomorphic wolf. It'd be nice to have four or five elf girls you meet, they have personalities, and maybe a couple have husbands that you can cuck or something.
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Would you rather nobody have said anything and we just ignore these issues you guys are having?
No, definitely not. It's just great that you are tackling this! I just wanted to point out that your missing/bad plan is making things a lot harder for you than it needs to be. I'm talking about project management here. This is sadly very often the reason why devs of NSFW fail.
Seems like the quotes weren't speaking for themselves. Sorry for the confusion here!
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niceee unavoidable NTR, time to delete this garbage
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Yeah, sorry, I guess I didn't get what you referring to. Apologies on my end as well.
I do think you're correct looking back at what you even really said about planning and roadmapping. Amity Park is something where me and GZone sorta have a concrete idea of where and what we're heading toward, and what needs to be implemented in between that, either in the future or retroactively. Now we usually relay that to the fans of AP, and they can usually get a gyst of what we're setting up.
BF is a bit of a different beast in that GZone has more say in the story beats, but a lot of the creativity and world building comes from LR. I usually have just taken what he's done in the script, proofread it, tidy it up, and streamline the ideas he's working with. But where I sorta myself have an idea of what we're all leading towards, I couldn't really ultimately tell you what's going to happen in between, outside of female character updates, similar to one's we've had for Rika and Cece. I do think that should change, and I think you guys should be let in on it too. So I'm adding a roadmap to the list of things we need by the end of the year, even just a couple steps ahead.
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What you can put is lesbian tag, for me gay is for both m/m and f/f but here there is a tag for both of them.
Thank you for your time and effort! I really appreciate this. It is really nice to have this knowledge now. First and foremost, I wanted you guys to know that the game as it is now is a pretty terrifying experience for a completely new player - or at least it was for me. I just wanted to love it, but simply couldn't enjoy it.
If you're looking for a helping hand anywhere, you might want to check out my thread here: https://f95zone.to/threads/happy-to...keting-project-management-play-testing.99288/
I would be very happy to see you succeed with Breeding Farm and finish the game.
This is the kind of thing people like to see. Someone actually taking some responsibility and trying to improve. Proof is in the pudding though, and the skeptics are gonna need to see the actions to offset the look of the team's current track record with this game. That said, I do sincerely hope you follow through. Always hoping someone will eventually break Breeding Season's curse.
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I honestly just can't bring myself to call it "ntr" or "cucking" when it's happening in a world (well, in a town so far) built around the premise of banging anything and everything with a dick, for profit in the case of the farm. This is made more evident by their nonchalant attitude towards sex (church lady notwithstanding), hell, even the queen was getting herself a healthy dose of monster vitamin D until something happened and she threw a temper tantrum that resulted in the whole mess with the church shutting down breeding farms at her behest (if I understood the story correctly).
Rika had allegedly been doing that before our MC popped into existence, so what makes it weird now? Hell, I'd join the wolf that night and sandwich her if that was an option. The way I see it, asking her to stop sneaking off and getting wolfed is like asking a smoker to stop smoking right now. Will they do it? Probably not, they're just more likely to avoid you and smoke when/where you can't see it.
I'm far more miffed about how the choices we're given don't actually affect the outcome of the story. Having me be accepting and supporting her uh, adicktion, only to do a complete 180 and get mad/stomp off on her out of nowhere felt really weird and out of place.
I get why people are calling it ntr and are so up in arms about it, in any other game I would be inclined to agree too. In the context of a breeding game, where the basic premise is that you can/will bang several species for profit/fun, I'm more inclined to just call it Monday.
Rika had allegedly been doing that before our MC popped into existence, so what makes it weird now? Hell, I'd join the wolf that night and sandwich her if that was an option. The way I see it, asking her to stop sneaking off and getting wolfed is like asking a smoker to stop smoking right now. Will they do it? Probably not, they're just more likely to avoid you and smoke when/where you can't see it.
I'm far more miffed about how the choices we're given don't actually affect the outcome of the story. Having me be accepting and supporting her uh, adicktion, only to do a complete 180 and get mad/stomp off on her out of nowhere felt really weird and out of place.
I get why people are calling it ntr and are so up in arms about it, in any other game I would be inclined to agree too. In the context of a breeding game, where the basic premise is that you can/will bang several species for profit/fun, I'm more inclined to just call it Monday.
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I will be complete honest, i have no idea if only him can do anything (he look like is the only one that really care about the game, since look like lostraven are now working more on the other game), this one really look like a plan b to try pick people from that garbage of game that "purple guy" have made. I really hope too that this game become a good game, the breeding games always have this curse, from all those that i have seen appear and get abandoned, so far there is only one and half that still good, at this moment, this one is the half one.
I say that is ntr/cheating because of the choices, i completely agree if the mc chose "i don't care that you fuck monsters" that they have an open relationship, hell, she can even be a helper at the barn, but those that put "keep you to myself" ended the same way, i don't care if the world where everyone fuck everyone (not too much different that the world where we live) the problem is that i choose to keep her to myself, have a relationship, kids, and not a quick fuck of someone that i will probably never see again, and that don't change anything, if she said "if you want me i will be like this" ok, but she said yes to being only mine and cheated, and the worst if that even if i said that i don't want anything more with her after all that, he still coming back for her for the threesome. I really hope that in the future, choices matter, i know that is kinda ironic saying "hey, he can fuck anything that moves and she don't", but the game have that "choice". I know mostly people don't like when a game have the ntr, but i will always say this, give the player options, this always make any game better, make her a slut that fuck any monster in the barn, a slut on the town, or keep her to be ours only.
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I still work on the project, but like many this is just a commission based project, and given the long-lengths between updates on both projects, my involvement in minimal.
Is this a jab at me or something?
The hope is that Morah can spur the rest of the team to care as much as he claims to. I hold no illusions that he alone can carry the whole thing however. As I'd said, they've got to walk the walk to prove it's more than just talk.
Pretty sure it's a jab at how the project looks as a whole, at least that's how I would have framed it. 10 months between releases, with little communication no less, on a project that receives monthly funding isn't a good look.Is this a jab at me or something?
ATM I'm pretty nonchalent about this update being good or bad. Which could be supportive or detrimental to the game.
But I do hope for it to suceed, so this are some recommendation based on 0.4.1 update.
Recommendation(Not a demand, just giving out mine or other's opinion so that if you have the chance, to flesh out breeding farm more and make a more defined and unique monster girl genre game):
When I first played it, I had 0 clue how to advance the day through clicking the arrow button, once in a while, some newcomers also encountered this issue.Maybe you could update katelyn's tutorial. Also maybe add a day,night no. of turns limit. Like you can interact with 3 things before it moves from morning to afternoon etc. This could give players more effort to plan their time well and not just use the arrrow to skip time quickly.
As stated by an earlier post, the gender of the baby is entirely dependant on the race and gender of the parents. This meant that we will constantly have female elves, which biologically makes no sense.
No issue with cece and Nu being barren, but maybe one of the plot points could be that one of them, prob cece, loves the mc so much that they start ovulating and become fertile but only to the mc.
I don't know if you could sell dragons yet but this applies to all monster that could not be sold: General: Donating monster back will increase alliance trust -> might increase affection with the queen and/or the girl representative of the monster. Elves: maybe later on, we can sell elves girls as there is an over-abundance but still have to donate elves guys. Dragons:Increasing alliance -> gets higher ranked dragons.(Higher ranked dragons has more human features and less lizard features)
Monster girl traits(not refering to the inheritable traits): One thing that makes the monster girl genre unique is it's trait. I personally think club bifrost is it's best example of a monster girl trait. Basically monster girls are like races and a good game of that genre should focus on it's quirks and cultures. Maybe implementing some monster girls quirks to make them unique and/or improve the ingame demand for selling diff types of monster girl. For example: Having a horny season(on in bifrost's case, full moon), it increases the preg of most of the monster girls and could potentially introduce horny scenes. Dragons,mermaids can't give birth immediately but lay eggs(which could be sold) and takes a while to hatch. Cow girl being able to be milked. Elves having a harder time to gain affections and may not want to mate with other monsters when they have low trust/affection. If males don't fuck/ejaculate for a while, they will fuck and potentially breed with any females. Monster girl has different tit/ass size, while monster girl has different dick/body size, which customer might demand certain trait of. Same race has a high preg chance then mixed race. Some races might not like breeding with other races,(e.g. elves hates breeding with orcs). All of this traits provide players with more motivation to experiment breeding. You could also maybe borrow some idea from Club Bifrost:https://f95zone.to/threads/monster-girl-club-bifrost-v1-12a-midnight-pleasure-remtairy.48518/
People wants the story to have impactful choices. That the main reason majority have issues with rika ntr scenes. I had no issues, despite being a person who dislikes ntr. I can't advice to follow or not and it should depend on team bieno if they want to commit to an easier but must be more consistent linear storyline or a more complex and more flexible complex multiple choices. But if you are going for complex:
-Maybe if you guys want to appeal to both ntr and non-ntr(not recommended if you guys aren't swamped), you could have a horny meter or smt to that extent. If the player ignores/haven't fuck a particular girl for a long time. Then it triggers a ntr scene.
-Affection stat for the girls/boys. Reaching certain stages triggers a quest. Then if two or more girls has reached a certain stat, you could pull stuff like the cece and rika threesome quest.
-Date monster girl/boys with high affection.
-high affection girls/boys can be convinced to work as breeders.(e.g. rika loving you and you selecting the you are fine with her fucking -> she becomes a breeder)
-individual girl/guy ending scenes and/or harem end
-fuck guys(we only have poe) n I'm a straight guy
Including more human races? Like maybe asian or black or other human races but live in-game with their own culture(Not because of woke diversity, but because of well, races and interbreeding).
Include more fantasy races? Dwarfs, goblins, orcs, idk trent, golems
Include more fantasy classes?(with their own quirk like maybe hiring whores to breed with the monsters but lead to std idk) Mages, warriors, sailors, blacksmiths
I DON'T think having a female mc is worth, despite the complaints/demands for one. As of now, the story is linear and having a female mc would add more effort, might break/limit the story (e.g. Rika addicted to wolve dick but as a female mc with no inhuman dick, she can't sastify Rika).
I can't think of anymore atm, but I could add more later on. Basically, good luck and hope the team won't be discouraged or overworked. And maybe in the future, breeding farm could be a game that could elevate the monster girl genre. I also believe the ppl here are just criticising the game as they atleast care about it to a certain extent. I may not have spent a lot of time on f95zone.to but I think if people think a hentai game is shit or poorly, they won't mention it in post(excluding mtl hate)
(edit)I think as of now, prioritising on making the breeding mechanic(not the sex scene) is the most important. I think the breeding should be fun and constantly engaging. Making it more versertile or being able to meet certain demands(e.g. I want wolfman with selfish trait at 900 coins ), motivates us, the player to continue on the breeding, instead of no money, search bulletin board, see cat girl, find weaker secondary cat girl, use cece to breed, sell cat girl profit, rinse n repeat tillno energy, click arrow to advance next day and if still have less money, rinse and repeat. If have alot of money, do quests,finish update's content.
(Edit) The church influence might also help with the money issue. The game is easy to earn money, which means half the time, you have no monetary motivation to do anything. Maybe the church might rise or low taxes(and we can see it at the plaza). The church might also increase the tax based on your profits for the month. You can also donate to church for infrastructures and gets bonuses for the farm. U can also donate to make the church like you more and lower the taxes or give you certain priveledges like able to visit the central church, visit the castle. The church(or any other factions) could also be a constant antagonist that would trigger certain events like letting one of your monster escape cause your barn's security upgrade is too low etc.
(Edit) maybe you could go for a dark route and you could abuse your monsters. maybe you could let your monster fight in the arena and its stat is based on the breeding stats. Winning in arena might give you more goal, infamy, some treasure that affects the game, like upgrades, and maybe you can date a guy/girl aka a new story dating route
But I do hope for it to suceed, so this are some recommendation based on 0.4.1 update.
Recommendation(Not a demand, just giving out mine or other's opinion so that if you have the chance, to flesh out breeding farm more and make a more defined and unique monster girl genre game):
When I first played it, I had 0 clue how to advance the day through clicking the arrow button, once in a while, some newcomers also encountered this issue.Maybe you could update katelyn's tutorial. Also maybe add a day,night no. of turns limit. Like you can interact with 3 things before it moves from morning to afternoon etc. This could give players more effort to plan their time well and not just use the arrrow to skip time quickly.
As stated by an earlier post, the gender of the baby is entirely dependant on the race and gender of the parents. This meant that we will constantly have female elves, which biologically makes no sense.
No issue with cece and Nu being barren, but maybe one of the plot points could be that one of them, prob cece, loves the mc so much that they start ovulating and become fertile but only to the mc.
I don't know if you could sell dragons yet but this applies to all monster that could not be sold: General: Donating monster back will increase alliance trust -> might increase affection with the queen and/or the girl representative of the monster. Elves: maybe later on, we can sell elves girls as there is an over-abundance but still have to donate elves guys. Dragons:Increasing alliance -> gets higher ranked dragons.(Higher ranked dragons has more human features and less lizard features)
Monster girl traits(not refering to the inheritable traits): One thing that makes the monster girl genre unique is it's trait. I personally think club bifrost is it's best example of a monster girl trait. Basically monster girls are like races and a good game of that genre should focus on it's quirks and cultures. Maybe implementing some monster girls quirks to make them unique and/or improve the ingame demand for selling diff types of monster girl. For example: Having a horny season(on in bifrost's case, full moon), it increases the preg of most of the monster girls and could potentially introduce horny scenes. Dragons,mermaids can't give birth immediately but lay eggs(which could be sold) and takes a while to hatch. Cow girl being able to be milked. Elves having a harder time to gain affections and may not want to mate with other monsters when they have low trust/affection. If males don't fuck/ejaculate for a while, they will fuck and potentially breed with any females. Monster girl has different tit/ass size, while monster girl has different dick/body size, which customer might demand certain trait of. Same race has a high preg chance then mixed race. Some races might not like breeding with other races,(e.g. elves hates breeding with orcs). All of this traits provide players with more motivation to experiment breeding. You could also maybe borrow some idea from Club Bifrost:https://f95zone.to/threads/monster-girl-club-bifrost-v1-12a-midnight-pleasure-remtairy.48518/
People wants the story to have impactful choices. That the main reason majority have issues with rika ntr scenes. I had no issues, despite being a person who dislikes ntr. I can't advice to follow or not and it should depend on team bieno if they want to commit to an easier but must be more consistent linear storyline or a more complex and more flexible complex multiple choices. But if you are going for complex:
-Maybe if you guys want to appeal to both ntr and non-ntr(not recommended if you guys aren't swamped), you could have a horny meter or smt to that extent. If the player ignores/haven't fuck a particular girl for a long time. Then it triggers a ntr scene.
-Affection stat for the girls/boys. Reaching certain stages triggers a quest. Then if two or more girls has reached a certain stat, you could pull stuff like the cece and rika threesome quest.
-Date monster girl/boys with high affection.
-high affection girls/boys can be convinced to work as breeders.(e.g. rika loving you and you selecting the you are fine with her fucking -> she becomes a breeder)
-individual girl/guy ending scenes and/or harem end
-fuck guys(we only have poe) n I'm a straight guy
Including more human races? Like maybe asian or black or other human races but live in-game with their own culture(Not because of woke diversity, but because of well, races and interbreeding).
Include more fantasy races? Dwarfs, goblins, orcs, idk trent, golems
Include more fantasy classes?(with their own quirk like maybe hiring whores to breed with the monsters but lead to std idk) Mages, warriors, sailors, blacksmiths
I DON'T think having a female mc is worth, despite the complaints/demands for one. As of now, the story is linear and having a female mc would add more effort, might break/limit the story (e.g. Rika addicted to wolve dick but as a female mc with no inhuman dick, she can't sastify Rika).
I can't think of anymore atm, but I could add more later on. Basically, good luck and hope the team won't be discouraged or overworked. And maybe in the future, breeding farm could be a game that could elevate the monster girl genre. I also believe the ppl here are just criticising the game as they atleast care about it to a certain extent. I may not have spent a lot of time on f95zone.to but I think if people think a hentai game is shit or poorly, they won't mention it in post(excluding mtl hate)
(edit)I think as of now, prioritising on making the breeding mechanic(not the sex scene) is the most important. I think the breeding should be fun and constantly engaging. Making it more versertile or being able to meet certain demands(e.g. I want wolfman with selfish trait at 900 coins ), motivates us, the player to continue on the breeding, instead of no money, search bulletin board, see cat girl, find weaker secondary cat girl, use cece to breed, sell cat girl profit, rinse n repeat tillno energy, click arrow to advance next day and if still have less money, rinse and repeat. If have alot of money, do quests,finish update's content.
(Edit) The church influence might also help with the money issue. The game is easy to earn money, which means half the time, you have no monetary motivation to do anything. Maybe the church might rise or low taxes(and we can see it at the plaza). The church might also increase the tax based on your profits for the month. You can also donate to church for infrastructures and gets bonuses for the farm. U can also donate to make the church like you more and lower the taxes or give you certain priveledges like able to visit the central church, visit the castle. The church(or any other factions) could also be a constant antagonist that would trigger certain events like letting one of your monster escape cause your barn's security upgrade is too low etc.
(Edit) maybe you could go for a dark route and you could abuse your monsters. maybe you could let your monster fight in the arena and its stat is based on the breeding stats. Winning in arena might give you more goal, infamy, some treasure that affects the game, like upgrades, and maybe you can date a guy/girl aka a new story dating route
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