VN Ren'Py Chasing Sunsets [v0.9a] [Stone Fox Studios]

[stuffstuffstuff]

2. MC loved Jaye, AND he knew Jaye loved him too. He decided to leave because of something that she said in the heat of the moment instead of at least talking about it first. The key here is that MC (for the third time in the game) made a one-sided major decision.

He didn't know she loved him. There was the diary thing that hinted at it, but he was 14 and I don't think he ever really put it together, because the moment he realizes the problem is after the kiss with Mallory.

"It's in that moment the magnitude of your stupidity hits you.
(How the fuck did I not see this before?)
(Jaye doesn't hate me... she's jealous.)"

He left because he was in love with her, and this probably seemed like the easy way out. He thought she hated him. He could either stay, and be miserable and watch her live her life without him. Or he could try and go live his own life maybe.

 

[DA22]

I keep on seeing this as the justification of blaming Jaye so I'll respond to this part since there are no actual examples of MC trying to fix the relationship in your post for me to respond to.

Walter: "Don't be an idiot. She said that in the heat of the moment. You can't honestly think she want you completely out of her life."
MC: "I had to leave because I was in love with her."

Here's the thing:
1. Jaye loved MC, but she didn't know how MC felt to him. She acknowledged that she was in the wrong (she said so in the shower scene) and planned to talk to MC the next morning to find out how he felt. If he loved her too, then it wasn't too late to fix the relationship. If he didn't love her, she wanted to try to move on. The key here is that she wanted to ask MC first before she made any decision.
2. MC loved Jaye, AND he knew Jaye loved him too. He decided to leave because of something that she said in the heat of the moment instead of at least talking about it first. The key here is that MC (for the third time in the game) made a one-sided major decision. (note: as we know, the reason why Jaye was so angry at MC as a child was because MC made one-sided decision for her)

This is the trend that is happening throughout the game where MC instigated something, then Jaye reacted to it and made it worse, then MC just made a one-sided decision which made things even worse. That's why I disagreed with the idea that she was broken beyond fixing. So far in the game, MC hasn't done anything meaningful to try to fix the relationship at all (once again, you couldn't find any example of him doing so).

Lastly, I'll end it by saying that the game is only up to Chapter 1. We don't know how things will go. We don't know what the direction of the game will go. We don't know how the ending will be reached. Normally, porn games have extremely one-dimensional characters where they are given a certain trope and stayed that way from start to end. If there is a happy ending for MC and Jaye planned, then it'd be achieved by both MC and Jaye's characters growing up and becoming better people to fix their relationship.

If you're projecting yourself into the MC and you don't want to fix the relationship with a character like Jaye, I can understand that because you're free to have feelings. But to claim that she is broken beyond fixing is a completely different thing and extremely premature IMO.

Actually I have way more experience with that broken part, since I have the same broken parts as Jaye has so she is very easy to recognize. Trust me, as long as she does not work on whatever it was that happened emotionally to her at 8 yo she is unmendable at least for MC since he is the reason of her trauma and reawakens it every time and with it also reawakens those emotions she felt then with all the force she had then. It is not a surprise she has been shutting out MC all these years, he hurts her if he wants or not.

It is not that Jaye can not change, but she will need both help and accept that she has a problem and work on it, then when MC will no longer automatically call up her trauma and emotional pain in her they can talk and start to repair things amongst eachother. Not sure but likely MC can use some professional help with that as well.

The proof are given in all those moments you retell and keep retelling and others tell you they see them differently as you and in the way she reacts, it is after funeral, after Mal kiss, the way she reacts when he does not react cause she had him blocked, it is in her whole descriptions by third parties like the barkeeper. The way MC describes her and her actions.

Just you want to see a sweet loveable Jaye that can be easily saved and just made a few mistakes and you prefer to blame MC fully for those, since he was not perfect or reacted perfectly to the difficult situations she and him placed themselves in. Now stopping with answering, like you said before you are playing a different game from me. Now you might be surprised but cause of my background I feel a lot of sympathy for Jaye and I paid my own prize for having walked around with untreated PTSD for way too long, that does not mean she did not treat MC badly though, just she could do no better as she is.

 

[bosp]

Could you please elaborate on this and give example of what MC actually did in an attempt to fix their relationship? My main disagreement with your thought is that you framed it by repeatedly saying Jaye is broken beyond fixing, while I question what fixing MC even did at all. I have given multiple examples of where MC instigated the problem (consistently from young to older). I'm looking forward to see what examples you could give as to where MC attempted to fix the problem.

Ummm, sorry for interjecting here but I would like to ask a question - acting cold but cordial for 10 years is considered a relationship?
10 years. I mean... 10 years. I had a more meaningful relationship with my neighbour saying good morning to him for 10 years, heck we even chatted about the weather from time to time.

Can anyone remind me why am I actually in love with Jaye, because the author certainly did not waste any time explaining it to me?

 

[Ariostebaldo]

I can't believe Jaye would bring that rapist to the boat! I was really loving her until that scene I just want Alex to beat this guy's face again! fuck Jaye!!!

 

[operamini]

They seem like nice devs with a bright future but I'm saying if they force Jaye on MC
time for a little history lesson 101:
like DrPinkCake made some forced story and decisions in Acting Lessons and BADIK
even if players want to avoid it completely
DPC received backlashes, shit comments, negative reviews by just doing one mistake of forcing things on the players
even to the point where he left F95 for good
he hates f95 now and he never came back
(F95 still has a big influence on his Patreon b/c most people find the game here and then support it on Patreon.)
and He now bans anyone who just says or even mentions F95 even some big High-Paying Patreons got banned b/c of it.
if something similar happened in this game then I'm afraid History will repeat itself as it does from time to time.

seems like a hurt but.

I can't believe Jaye would bring that rapist to the boat! I was really loving her until that scene I just want Alex to beat this guy's face again! fuck Jaye!!!

that ending is much of the reason this thread got 50 new pages in 2-3 days

 

[Odin73]

Great Visual Novel. Sad to see step brother and step sister set apart but I am sure it will bond again later.

 

[cakeny]

They seem like nice devs with a bright future but I'm saying if they force Jaye on MC
time for a little history lesson 101:
like DrPinkCake made some forced story and decisions in Acting Lessons and BADIK
even if players want to avoid it completely
DPC received backlashes, shit comments, negative reviews by just doing one mistake of forcing things on the players
even to the point where he left F95 for good
he hates f95 now and he never came back
(F95 still has a big influence on his Patreon b/c most people find the game here and then support it on Patreon.)
and He now bans anyone who just says or even mentions F95 even some big High-Paying Patreons got banned b/c of it.
if something similar happened in this game then I'm afraid History will repeat itself as it does from time to time.

There's already been way too many things forced on us in this game, doubt it will change anytime soon.

 

[MrDL]

Jaye's hot, that's enough motivation for me to see where that goes, plus it's not as if the MC is blameless, especially with how dense he is.

They seem like nice devs with a bright future but I'm saying if they force Jaye on MC
time for a little history lesson 101:
like DrPinkCake made some forced story and decisions in Acting Lessons and BADIK
even if players want to avoid it completely
DPC received backlashes, shit comments, negative reviews by just doing one mistake of forcing things on the players
even to the point where he left F95 for good
he hates f95 now and he never came back
(F95 still has a big influence on his Patreon b/c most people find the game here and then support it on Patreon.)
and He now bans anyone who just says or even mentions F95 even some big High-Paying Patreons got banned b/c of it.
if something similar happened in this game then I'm afraid History will repeat itself as it does from time to time.

Really? That's what happened? DPC needs thicker skin because he should've known that in Acting Lessons was going to piss off a lot of people, forcing a "Sophie's Choice" situation is in these games is just a bad decision IMO because like other things in Acting Lessons it's a cheap manipulation to illicit an emotional response, it takes too much control out of the hands of the player with an event that didn't really make sense and goes against the character of the MC, it didn't have to be that way either and should've depended on your stats.

There's some stuff that's going to have to be forced, that's a given with how complicated and messy things can get as the variables pile up. I would expect there to be two or three outcomes with Jaye but I would hope any major choices aren't forced upon players.

 

[Skylaroo]

He didn't know she loved him. There was the diary thing that hinted at it, but he was 14 and I don't think he ever really put it together, because the moment he realizes the problem is after the kiss with Mallory.

You're mixing two different things. MC knew about Jaye's feelings from the diary when they were 14. The kiss with Mallory is more of a "it just hit me that she still likes me after all this time" moment. This is important because during the separation, MC traveled around and banged girls left and right. So he didn't think that Jaye would still have any feelings toward him as he clearly had forgotten about his feelings toward her.

Ummm, sorry for interjecting here but I would like to ask a question - acting cold but cordial for 10 years is considered a relationship?

Please don't be semantic. Relationship is relationship. They are still family.

Can anyone remind me why am I actually in love with Jaye, because the author certainly did not waste any time explaining it to me?

You are not in love with Jaye. MC is in love with Jaye. The story is about MC, not you. You have options in the game to make MC not like Jaye if you choose so.

Just you want to see a sweet loveable Jaye that can be easily saved and just made a few mistakes and you prefer to blame MC fully for those, since he was not perfect or reacted perfectly to the difficult situations she and him placed themselves in.

Please do not put words into my mouth. From the very beginning, I have repeatedly and consistently said that both MC and Jaye are at fault because of misunderstandings that is caused by their lack of communication. The reason why I kept on mentioning MC's fault is to show that Jaye's fault was mostly a reaction to something that is instigated by MC's action. The reason why I had to do so is because there are so many people who would lay the blame on her as if she was the only problem. Just look at the person I quoted above asking for any reason why MC should love Jaye (as if she was the only one with fault while MC was a fine faultless person) without being able to question the opposite of why Jaye (or any other female character in the game) should love MC (who technically banged wives behind their husband's backs, but hey this is porn game after all so it's ok?).

Actually I have way more experience with that broken part, since I have the same broken parts as Jaye has so she is very easy to recognize. Trust me, as long as she does not work on whatever it was that happened emotionally to her at 8 yo she is unmendable at least for MC since he is the reason of her trauma and reawakens it every time and with it also reawakens those emotions she felt then with all the force she had then. It is not a surprise she has been shutting out MC all these years, he hurts her if he wants or not.

First of all, sorry to hear that you had to go through such things IRL. But this is where I think you're wrong when it comes to Jaye. She didn't get hurt by him whether he wants to or not. There is actually a reason for her hurt:
1. As a child = because MC made a one-sided decision to shut her out (misunderstanding with good intent)
2. At around 14 years old = because MC read her diary (100% MC's fault)
3. At graduation party = because MC made the second one-sided decision to announce to the whole party that she was almost raped by Christian (100% MC's fault despite the good intention, but also note MC's fault of snooping through her phone as if her privacy still didn't matter after reading her diary years ago)
4. After graduation party = because MC made the third one-sided decision to leave the family (Jaye wanted to talk about it, but robbed the chance to do so, 100% MC's fault despite the good intention)
5. At George's office #1 = because she thought MC didn't come to the funeral and didn't call (Jaye acknowledged her fault and apologized once proven otherwise, but MC drove away on Uber and randomly decided to go to Aspen uninvited to rob her the chance to talk yet again)
6. At George's office #2 = because Mallory kissed MC (not MC's fault as Mallory randomly kissed him, misunderstanding because it appeared as if MC had time for Mallory but not for Jaye)

If you believe that she got hurt whether he intended to do so or not, please give example where Jaye got hurt (or angry at MC) when MC did something good to her (the one-sided decision made by MC with good intent doesn't count because one-sided decision by itself is a bad thing for her). I don't think that happened at all in the game. So I disagree with the idea that she was traumatized and that MC is the cause of the trauma. IMO, she was simply behaving based on what's happening to her. She was angry when there's a reason to, she was apologetic when she was at fault, she was happy when things go her way (ex: if MC replied to the text kindly, she was really happy about it).

The other part that I disagree with is your claim that she has been shutting out MC all these years. If she had been shutting out MC, she wouldn't have bothered coming to his football games, taking sports that didn't clash with his, giving him birthday gifts, etc. She was also the one who reached out and texted to apologize while MC went to Aspen. While not explicitly mentioned, it was also clear that she wanted MC's help the day when she was almost raped (but unfortunately yet again, another misunderstanding that led to MC thinking otherwise so he shut himself in the room instead). It doesn't make sense to conclude that she was shutting him out.

 

[Tumai]

Dunno why defenders of Jaye keep citing the MC "shutting her out" that one time as a kid as a defense.

This may come as a shock, but siblings don't (and shouldn't) want to do everything together, even irrespective of good intentions.

I remember eons ago when my older brother refused to take me with him to bowling with his friends (I was around 12 and he 16 at the time, so the reason why is obvious). I sulked for a day.

I recall long ago once snapping at my sister to get out of the room when she was hovering over my shoulder making commentary while I was in an intense online PvP ladder ranking match of Starcraft. She left in a huff with tears in her eyes. We were as good as ever within a couple of days.

That Jaye went into a cold shoulder sulk for TEN YEARS is proof of crazy, not a defense.

 

[Naxos]

Could you please elaborate on this and give example of what MC actually did in an attempt to fix their relationship? <snip> while I question what fixing MC even did at all. <sip>

I love this and I'm in total agreement with ^^

Everyone else:
Jaye, jaye, jaye.
She did this and then she did that, and then Jaye.

Fine she did bad shit.. the MC did worse, he did nothing to fix it. I ran away every time.
From the time he left to the end, Jaye reached out 6 times, the MC ignored or deflected or ran away.

BuT JayE NEvEr aPolOGIsed fOr BLocKiNG hIs nUmBer!? How the fuck is she supposed to apologise when he pulls some batman level dissapearing trick before she can?

She stopped having any rights when she told him to get out of her life and he complied at the fight. She still refuses to see that though.

I honestly hope those who think this "get out my life" is justification for what happened never ever have kids. What you going to do when the tell you one day how much they hate you and to leave them alone because you've done something for their own good and safety they don't like. Ok, I'll leave you along, get out the house and don't come back. But you're the parent you cant do that. Duh, same for siblings.

I also don't know why everyone keeps going on about her in the heat of the moment comments about leaving like it's some excuse absolving the MC of everything. After he left, Jaye responded with more anger initially because she was even more hurt now he ran away. Despite her words she never ever wanted him gone. She then started pleading for him to return. Within the first months he left, she was begging and pleading, and in true in his true heroic dickhead nature, he does what he always does, ignored it.

 

[Naxos]

I recall long ago once snapping at my sister to get out of the room when she was hovering over my shoulder making commentary while I was in an intense online PvP ladder ranking match of Starcraft. She left in a huff with tears in her eyes. We were as good as ever within a couple of days.

Let me guess, you where her best friend, the one she loved most and she was secretly in love (romantically) with you too? Her other "friends" where teasing her because how much she adored you and wanted to spend all her time with you right?

 

[DA22]

You're mixing two different things. MC knew about Jaye's feelings from the diary when they were 14. The kiss with Mallory is more of a "it just hit me that she still likes me after all this time" moment. This is important because during the separation, MC traveled around and banged girls left and right. So he didn't think that Jaye would still have any feelings toward him as he clearly had forgotten about his feelings toward her.


Please don't be semantic. Relationship is relationship. They are still family.


You are not in love with Jaye. MC is in love with Jaye. The story is about MC, not you. You have options in the game to make MC not like Jaye if you choose so.


Please do not put words into my mouth. From the very beginning, I have repeatedly and consistently said that both MC and Jaye are at fault because of misunderstandings that is caused by their lack of communication. The reason why I kept on mentioning MC's fault is to show that Jaye's fault was mostly a reaction to something that is instigated by MC's action. The reason why I had to do so is because there are so many people who would lay the blame on her as if she was the only problem. Just look at the person I quoted above asking for any reason why MC should love Jaye (as if she was the only one with fault while MC was a fine faultless person) without being able to question the opposite of why Jaye (or any other female character in the game) should love MC (who technically banged wives behind their husband's backs, but hey this is porn game after all so it's ok?).


First of all, sorry to hear that you had to go through such things IRL. But this is where I think you're wrong when it comes to Jaye. She didn't get hurt by him whether he wants to or not. There is actually a reason for her hurt:
1. As a child = because MC made a one-sided decision to shut her out (misunderstanding with good intent)
2. At around 14 years old = because MC read her diary (100% MC's fault)
3. At graduation party = because MC made the second one-sided decision to announce to the whole party that she was almost raped by Christian (100% MC's fault despite the good intention, but also note MC's fault of snooping through her phone as if her privacy still didn't matter after reading her diary years ago)
4. After graduation party = because MC made the third one-sided decision to leave the family (Jaye wanted to talk about it, but robbed the chance to do so, 100% MC's fault despite the good intention)
5. At George's office #1 = because she thought MC didn't come to the funeral and didn't call (Jaye acknowledged her fault and apologized once proven otherwise, but MC drove away on Uber and randomly decided to go to Aspen uninvited to rob her the chance to talk yet again)
6. At George's office #2 = because Mallory kissed MC (not MC's fault as Mallory randomly kissed him, misunderstanding because it appeared as if MC had time for Mallory but not for Jaye)

If you believe that she got hurt whether he intended to do so or not, please give example where Jaye got hurt (or angry at MC) when MC did something good to her (the one-sided decision made by MC with good intent doesn't count because one-sided decision by itself is a bad thing for her). I don't think that happened at all in the game. So I disagree with the idea that she was traumatized and that MC is the cause of the trauma. IMO, she was simply behaving based on what's happening to her. She was angry when there's a reason to, she was apologetic when she was at fault, she was happy when things go her way (ex: if MC replied to the text kindly, she was really happy about it).

The other part that I disagree with is your claim that she has been shutting out MC all these years. If she had been shutting out MC, she wouldn't have bothered coming to his football games, taking sports that didn't clash with his, giving him birthday gifts, etc. She was also the one who reached out and texted to apologize while MC went to Aspen. While not explicitly mentioned, it was also clear that she wanted MC's help the day when she was almost raped (but unfortunately yet again, another misunderstanding that led to MC thinking otherwise so he shut himself in the room instead). It doesn't make sense to conclude that she was shutting him out.

I already said I would stop responding, just replay the game and stop just looking at those scenes and look at the whole.

Besides I strongly doubt that Jaye was first traumatized when she was 8 yo, for that her reaction to it was too extreme, it felt like his behaviour touched upon another trauma she already had and never gone away. The things that happen with diary and at date Rapey happen due to her behavior since she was 8 yo and fact that she was hurting MC and herself with that behavior for years already even before those things happened. That relation and those happenings are not when their relation goes south, it was already abusive for years and those things MC does are partly in relation to that. That is why blaming either for what happens is useless.

Same goes for the things after death parents, some are also plot armor since need to be in like him leaving for years. It is not that there are misunderstandings, but how she reacts to all those things that give you the picture. In original prologue I did not think yet it was PTSD though suspected it, but after this update she surely has one with her behavior and fact even loosing him for 5 years made her even worse is an even bigger indication. She is constantly blaming and looking for fault, completely overlooking her own involvement with the situation they are in and that he treats her so bad .... Never even trying to look at things from his side.

So even if she had walked into his room and not rubbed one out to talk to him before he left, it would not have helped anymore even then, she would have found a new reason to get mad at him soon enough especially the closer he would get to her and she to him, the more her trauma would play up. This game is simply a situation where love is not enough to heal who they have become. Just MC might have been less traumatized by what happened during the fight. Talking will not solve their situation, if it does it is just because the devs say it will and has to be that way for a Jaye/MC path. Just as that MC still loves Jaye, but in reality would have started to hate her some time ago just to protect himself even before the fight. Stop looking at Jaye as that sweet cute 8yo kid that got hurt.

For the family part, well I kicked out one of my brothers for less and I know enough people who did same. There is only so much a person can take before it is enough and yeah that can rip many family ties even with parents.

 

[bosp]

Please don't be semantic. Relationship is relationship. They are still family.

You are not in love with Jaye. MC is in love with Jaye. The story is about MC, not you. You have options in the game to make MC not like Jaye if you choose so.

Guess we are both playing semantics. Good game.

 

[TomPhan]

You're mixing two different things. MC knew about Jaye's feelings from the diary when they were 14. The kiss with Mallory is more of a "it just hit me that she still likes me after all this time" moment. This is important because during the separation, MC traveled around and banged girls left and right. So he didn't think that Jaye would still have any feelings toward him as he clearly had forgotten about his feelings toward her.

Why are you convinced that he knew about her feelings?

While he's reading her diary there are two occasions where the MC is wondering about Jaye's feelings:

MC (thinking): What the... Does Jaye like me like that?​ Naw, I get it...​ It feels weird for me to think about Jaye dating too.​ Not because I'm into her or anything.​ I'm just... Protective of my sister.​ ...Right?​

Jaye (in her diary): We were each other's first kiss.​ I had always imagined it would be with someone else, but...​ This will have to do. I hope think I can be OK with that."​ MC (thinking): Who did she imagine it with?​ Is there a guy she's into that I don't know about?​ Did she mean me? There's just not enough info here to know for sure.​

So from my understanding, the MC is considering the possibility but can't quite connect the dots because he starts questioning his own feelings for her. He's not sure if the signs are actually there or if he's just imagining them, which isn't unusual for someone in love, especially someone with little to no experience. Also, Jaye herself told the MC that he's not particularly good at reading between the lines.

I also feel like if the MC had known that his feelings were reciprocated, he wouldn't have ran away in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 3006697]

the heat of the moment

This.
I see people here bring the "get out of my life" scene every time and never once consider this.
I'm pretty sure everyone here has done or said something while they were angry and regretted it later.
It was nothing more than anger. Stop taking it at face value.

 

[Tumai]

Let me guess, you where her best friend, the one she loved most and she was secretly in love (romantically) with you too? Her other "friends" where teasing her because how much she adored you and wanted to spend all her time with you right?

You're missing the point. That's the whole reason Jaye should have been given space.

Romantic love does not exist pre-puberty

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Her actions of wanting to spend all time with one target at 8 isn't love, it's a sign of obsessive behavior.

 

[Skylaroo]

Dunno why defenders of Jaye keep citing the MC "shutting her out" that one time as a kid as a defense.

That Jaye went into a cold shoulder sulk for TEN YEARS is proof of crazy, not a defense.

I think you misunderstood the point. It's not a defense/excuse to make it sound like what she did is ok. It's simply a reason as to why she did what she did. That she did it because of what MC did. Your personal experience is valid, but it doesn't mean that everyone would be the same as you. People are different from one another. People behave differently when presented with the same situation (easy example: wear a mask during COVID-19? some yes some no). Just because what she did is different than your sibling doesn't make it less valid of an action.

Also, you can't just oversimplify the ten years as if she did nothing but cold-shoulder sulking for the whole ten years. What happened in the ten years is simply that their relationship never got back to where it was before, largely due to them being kids that need a lot of growing up to do before they could make the mature decision. It's not just 100% one-sided cold-shoulder sulking by Jaye.

I already said I would stop responding, just replay the game and stop just looking at those scenes and look at the whole.

I'm really confused. You're blatantly ignoring the scenes that actually showed what the facts are, while focusing on the "whole picture" where it's simply your own interpretation of what's actually happening. It's really confusing why someone would believe speculation over the fact. Your speculation might be right, but if there's no factual supporting evidence, then it's really hard to believe so.

Besides I strongly doubt that Jaye was first traumatized when she was 8 yo,

This is a prime example of your own interpretation. Now suddenly you think Jaye was already traumatized before the event that happened when she was 8 years old, despite no such thing being mentioned/shown in the game. If we start including things that didn't even get shown in the game, where do we draw the line?

She is constantly blaming and looking for fault, completely overlooking her own involvement with the situation they are in and that he treats her so bad ....

And I have given in-game examples of the opposite. She blames someone else when there's a reason to do so, while she apologized and admitted fault when she was in the wrong. I don't understand how you could come up with the conclusion that she was constantly the aggressor.

So even if she had walked into his room and not rubbed one out to talk to him before he left, it would not have helped anymore even then, she would have found a new reason to get mad at him soon enough.

I'll end this here. Another speculation that is based on nothing just to justify your own conclusion. Thank you for your time.

Guess we are both playing semantics. Good game.

Apologies if it comes off like that. I was just trying to be clear that in this game, the MC is not you. There are a lot of porn games where the MC is designed so that the player can project themselves into the MC. Those kind of games are often without any deep story because the goal is to provide either tons of options to satisfy everyone's preference (ex: games with tons of branches because the MC is essentially just a guy where his character doesn't really matter), or without any consequence where each sub-plot is pretty much independent of one another (ex: games where MC has a story with mother, a story with older sister, a story with younger sister, a story with a neighbor, a story with sister's friend, etc but they are never together as if they don't exist in the same setting)

On the other hand, this game has specific story it wants to tell about the relationship between two (or three now with Mallory?) characters, and one of them is the MC. So in this game, you can't really project yourself to the MC because the MC actually has characteristics and personality. Thus, far less options and freedom in this game. Just like you can't avoid banging the wives (personally, I'm not big on being a cheater who bangs someone else's wife), you can't avoid MC being in love with Jaye. It's part of the story and characters.

Why are you convinced that he knew about her feelings? So from my understanding, the MC is considering the possibility but can't quite connect the dots because he starts questioning his own feelings for her. He's not sure if the signs are actually there or if he's just imagining them, which isn't unusual for someone in love, especially someone with little to no experience. Also, Jaye herself told the MC that he's not particularly good at reading between the lines.

My mistake on this. You're right on this part. MC didn't know for sure because he's bad at reading between the lines though honestly, it's arguably very clear to normal person (ex: "nobody hurts my MC family" on top of the things you mentioned)

But my original point remains valid that MC was at least in a "know more about how the other feels" than Jaye who is completely clueless as to how MC would feel (since there was no hint that MC loved her). While Jaye's action to that is wanting to talk about it with MC to find out how he feels about her, MC's action was instead to make a one-sided decision and leave Jaye regardless of how she feels about him.

 

[Real Kreten]

Skylaroo, you're right that being part of a decision-making is fundamental think for Jay, if decision relates to her life. This is already reflected with RP in story and will clearly be a key factor in building a relationship with her.
What about her claim for such demand? MC and Jaye had a cooperative relationship before the first incident. She had every right to feel hurt when they were 8 years old because of it. They've had a competitive relationship ever since, and you don't share your decisions with your opponent. Her claim to his decision-making has thus passed.


But I wanted to write about the second aspect that the developers gave us about her, “Han Solo shot first”.
I would like to humor the developers as well as my fellow f95 members by comparing the crew of The Sunset to the crew of The Millennium Falcon. My comparison assumes that +1 is our hated Christian and I will start with him.

Christian is classic shady characters, a lot of people like in movies, dangerous (wannabe) and adventurous (allegedly). The girl`s panties get spined from our Han Solo.

Next, we have two siblings, which makes Jaye, Princes Leila. Leila disliked Han's initial personality and yes, I hope that she she will stay with this view.

Than we have MC, who is Luke Skywalker of course. David need to arrive as well if he wants to be Obi Wan.

Mallory is Chewbacca, sorry Mallory, you are beautiful, but you are only one with some trait from our furry friends.

George is C-3PO, they have same hair cut and it looks like George will talk a lot.

Developers will introduce crew next update, so we need to wait for R2-D2.


One more detour. Stone Fox Studios

I assume you will tune the behaviour of each LI depending on Trust P and Love P. I would recommend keeping statistics on MC trust for individual LI as well (not in game), for the cause of writing integrity. If you demand that MC demonstrate some trustworthy behaviour to establish any relationship with LI. It is logical to have same demand on LI`s behaviour to MC.

 

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I think you misunderstood the point. It's not a defense/excuse to make it sound like what she did is ok. It's simply a reason as to why she did what she did. That she did it because of what MC did. Your personal experience is valid, but it doesn't mean that everyone would be the same as you. People are different from one another. People behave differently when presented with the same situation (easy example: wear a mask during COVID-19? some yes some no). Just because what she did is different than your sibling doesn't make it less valid of an action.

Also, you can't just oversimplify the ten years as if she did nothing but cold-shoulder sulking for the whole ten years. What happened in the ten years is simply that their relationship never got back to where it was before, largely due to them being kids that need a lot of growing up to do before they could make the mature decision. It's not just 100% one-sided cold-shoulder sulking by Jaye.


I'm really confused. You're blatantly ignoring the scenes that actually showed what the facts are, while focusing on the "whole picture" where it's simply your own interpretation of what's actually happening. It's really confusing why someone would believe speculation over the fact. Your speculation might be right, but if there's no factual supporting evidence, then it's really hard to believe so.


This is a prime example of your own interpretation. Now suddenly you think Jaye was already traumatized before the event that happened when she was 8 years old, despite no such thing being mentioned/shown in the game. If we start including things that didn't even get shown in the game, where do we draw the line?


And I have given in-game examples of the opposite. She blames someone else when there's a reason to do so, while she apologized and admitted fault when she was in the wrong. I don't understand how you could come up with the conclusion that she was constantly the aggressor.


I'll end this here. Another speculation that is based on nothing just to justify your own conclusion. Thank you for your time.


Apologies if it comes off like that. I was just trying to be clear that in this game, the MC is not you. There are a lot of porn games where the MC is designed so that the player can project themselves into the MC. Those kind of games are often without any deep story because the goal is to provide either tons of options to satisfy everyone's preference (ex: games with tons of branches because the MC is essentially just a guy where his character doesn't really matter), or without any consequence where each sub-plot is pretty much independent of one another (ex: games where MC has a story with mother, a story with older sister, a story with younger sister, a story with a neighbor, a story with sister's friend, etc but they are never together as if they don't exist in the same setting)

On the other hand, this game has specific story it wants to tell about the relationship between two (or three now with Mallory?) characters, and one of them is the MC. So in this game, you can't really project yourself to the MC because the MC actually has characteristics and personality. Thus, far less options and freedom in this game. Just like you can't avoid banging the wives (personally, I'm not big on being a cheater who bangs someone else's wife), you can't avoid MC being in love with Jaye. It's part of the story and characters.


My mistake on this. You're right on this part. MC didn't know for sure because he's bad at reading between the lines though honestly, it's arguably very clear to normal person (ex: "nobody hurts my MC family" on top of the things you mentioned)

But my original point remains valid that MC was at least in a "know more about how the other feels" than Jaye who is completely clueless as to how MC would feel (since there was no hint that MC loved her). While Jaye's action to that is wanting to talk about it with MC to find out how he feels about her, MC's action was instead to make a one-sided decision and leave Jaye regardless of how she feels about him.

The point is that you see those later events that are recounted as reasons for why their relation is as it is, while they are just a few highlights recounted by MC to show their relation as it is. What happened in those few events is the result of what happened before as an example of their relationship, not the things that defined their relationship over all these years. The way they react to each other in those highlights is based upon all that happened before. Like I said before it is pretty useless to try to attach blame to either, with their relation both were likely unable to act any different anymore even if both reacted stupidly or unproductive objectively, well it is not for nothing a very dysfunctional relationship.

Concerning her having an earlier trauma. These those things are not in game yet, but I know quite a few people besides myself with PTSD and even complex PTSD from early childhood and based on that her reaction is too extreme for what he did (maybe a few weeks being angry or even a month, but not ten years and such trauma and even after MC was gone completely out of her life for 5 years), unless MC did hit on an earlier trauma. May well have been the loss of her mother and a hardworking father, that could make sense with information as we have, but agreed that is not mentioned as such in game (yet).