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Seems like most people swear by Jaye but I just can't join them for the life of me. I know preferences and all that, and I much prefer Mal. I just feel like I'm the oddball and want to know what I'm missing here. Maybe because my brother instincts kick in but the game does an okay job with taming that instinct and justifying the relationship. That's not the point anyway. What is it about Jaye, sibling or not, that makes you choose her over Mal? That's my main question.
Jaye is just one of the best written characters in about 200 (99% completed) AVNs, top 3 if not top 2 for me. She is simply wholesome and the relationship dynamic between her and MC is perfectly written too.

About the "most people swear by Jaye" part...
Steam achievements:
Game over (where MC tries to let Jaye die during the storm) - 17.5% of players
Manifest Destiny (where MC ends up with Jaye at the end of Chapter 9) - 8.9% of players
Quite shocking.
Yes this is true for the good and for the bad, Jaye is very well written and the dynamic between her and the MC is powerful, but on an extreme example, there is some very well written villains around and even though I guess many more will still cheer for the hero even if has less depth than the antagonist.

I'm with darkcaptainfighter, even though the former is true I enjoyed more the fresh relationship and dynamic between the MC and Mal, so no you are not an oddball and you are not alone in your preference for sure but yes I believe that probably there is more Jaye fans than Mallory's and it is understandable.

On the players choice statistics your signature is the best answer :) Facts don't care about (our) feelings, and as former scientist student and later/now Quality technicien I rely a lot on facts and statistics/probabilities so I also "follow" (not blindly) that motto.

If I wasn't that kind of player that plays almost every path possible, and I did play all the 4 main paths and the alone path (later after chapter 9 was released), probably I only would play the solo Mallory path that was my main playthrough all the way (but wouldn't play the game over) when I replayed all the paths after the release of chapter 9 misleading conclusion of Jaye and Mallory open relationships that didn't gone the way I thought it would and at the time it was my only playthrough. Got pretty pissed at the time but the game is so well written I decided to start a new main playthrough focusing on Mallory that at the time already was my favorite. I used the former main playthrough to dump both and go the alone path hahaha.

Side note : sorry about the last paragraph, English isn't my first language and had troubles to put my train of thought into words, after read it, it seems confusing even for me :LOL:. Hope is clear enough hehe.
 
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This is sort of the opposite of me. I love redheads and upon seeing Jaye for the first time I thought I'd be going for her route first. But her attitude toward the MC in the beginning really soured me on her early. Then Mal came into the picture and she was both beautiful and charming right from their first meeting.

I did eventually warm up toward Jaye and ended up liking her quite a bit, only a tiny bit less than Mal overall. But wouldn't say I liked her in the early parts of this game at all.
Fully agreed. Mal had a head start for the same reasons for me as well. After that, Jaye, no matter how well written she was, just couldn't beat first impressions. I could put everything aside if she smoked others in hotness scale but there was no such gap.
 
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Yes this is true for the good and for the bad, Jaye is very well written and the dynamic between her and the MC is powerful, but on an extreme example, there is some very well written villains around and even though I guess many more will still cheer for the hero even if has less depth than the antagonist.

I'm with darkcaptainfighter, even though the former is true I enjoyed more the fresh relationship and dynamic between the MC and Mal, so no you are not an oddball and you are not alone in your preference for sure but yes I believe that probably there is more Jaye fans than Mallory's and it is understandable.

On the players choice statistics your signature it the best answer :) Facts don't care about (our) feelings, and as former scientist student and later/now Quality technicien I rely a lot on facts and statistics/probabilities so I also "follow" (not blindly) that motto.

If I wasn't that kind of player that plays almost every path possible, and I did play all the 4 main paths and the alone path (later after chapter 9 was released), probably I only would play the solo Mallory path that was my main playthrough all the way (but wouldn't play the game over) when I replayed all the paths after the release of chapter 9 misleading conclusion of Jaye and Mallory open relationships that didn't gone the way I thought it would and at the time it was my only playthrough. Got pretty pissed at the time but the game is so well written I decided to start a new main playthrough focusing on Mallory that at the time already was my favorite.

Side note : sorry about the last paragraph, English isn't my first language and had troubles to put my train of thought into words, after read it, it seems confusing even for me :LOL:. Hope is clear enough hehe.
I don't think the open relationship thing is misleading at all, it perfectly fits Jaye's character. I've said before, but this game is mostly about Jaye and the relationship between her and MC. That girl loved MC since she was 9, that's when she wanted that ring and imagined MC proposing to her with it. MC loved her too already back then (the tingling feeling during the bed fort scene that he did not understand).

For Mal, the open relationship option is understandable exactly because she does not have a past with MC, they've just met and she knows there're some unresolved feelings between MC and Jaye but she still wants to get involved with MC, that's why she keeps trying even after learning that something's already developed between MC and Jaye.
Jaye on the other hand must know that MC wants her and her only above all before she could consider bringing in Mal. She loved that guy since she was 9!!! They had a 16 years long past. She had an attitude sometimes? Yeah, but MC was the one who tried to push her away and even if he had good intentions that move obviously hurt Jaye a lot. They were kids. He did not even succeed by the way, despite the "attitude" she was with him (and vice versa) at all the important moments of their lives! She went to each and every game MC played in for many years, took revenge when someone hurt MC. Also, she's still a virgin at 25, never dated (the Christian thing is very well explained, wasn't close to dating), never touched another man because she was and IS in love with MC. She even accepts how MC was dealing with his feelings in the past without any jealousy.
Then MC is fooling around with Mal and tells Mal he wants an open relationship AFTER the naked night in Jaye's bed (fort) and the shower scene with Jaye. They've just stared to (re)build their relationship and got physical too. MC also told her he isn't dating anyone, and while it was true back then he forgot to mention that that's changed, Jaye finds out by chance when running into Mal in front of MC's door at night. It's quite reasonable for Jaye to feel betrayed and to avoid that poly relationship in this scenario. I did not try that option yet, does she dump MC too or the solo option remains?

The poly route comes when Jaye feels she is the only one MC needs even though she suspects that MC has feelings for Mal too. And it's perfectly fitting!
Focus on Jaye all the time and obviously be as nice as one could be to Mal always but don't stop her when she leaves the room after getting in because of Amanda. The choice to confess feelings to Mal and the poly option from Jaye comes up then, no trickery and walkthrough needed.
 

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I did not try that option yet, does she dump MC too or the solo option remains?
There is various options/outcomes, you can keep going on the solo Jaye, solo Mal, dump both or be dumped by both. I used that playthrough and dumped her both and began the "alone" path, that I also would get by being dumped by both.

The rest of the post I agree to disagree, but it is pointless to argue. I see it completely different, not on the background stories and in those I agree but on the outcome of those experiences, doesn't make sense based on my own personal experiences, but ok this is written from a completely different point of view and different experiences than my own and I understand it, if I wanted the outcome to be different I would have to write my own story haha and I'm not a good writer.

Edit : Also it makes the trust stat completely pointless in that open relationship scenario, I would understand those outcomes if those trust stats of Jaye and/or Mal were low, but in my playthrough they were very high and near the max values, the least I expected was if those trust stats were high that we also would get a path/choice/scene where communication between the 3 were involved, there isn't anything that can't be solved and agreed by clear communication.

The way the poly path happens I would be in a clear solo Jaye path after "helping Mal" and would never look or think at any other girl, the way the poly path happens doesn't make much sense to me also but again, different people different views.
 
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Seems like most people swear by Jaye but I just can't join them for the life of me. I know preferences and all that, and I much prefer Mal. I just feel like I'm the oddball and want to know what I'm missing here. Maybe because my brother instincts kick in but the game does an okay job with taming that instinct and justifying the relationship. That's not the point anyway. What is it about Jaye, sibling or not, that makes you choose her over Mal? That's my main question.
For me,

Jaye (and James) fit seamlessly into the family of Sarah and the MC. They created a new family, and the early story shows how James worked hard to include both Alex and Jaye when he did things.

Jaye was not a prissy princess - she was active and more of a tomboy - involved with Alex and happy to have him in her life.

Yes, a miscommunication when they were young occurred, putting Jaye and Alex on different paths but they both tacitly supported each other in their sports and other things (until Christian).

I think that the devs really captured the angst of two people - Alex and Jaye - who loved each other but felt like 'society' would not understand or let them have that love.

The fight scene at the graduation party did a nice job bringing that angst and the underlying love Alex had for Jaye, to protect her from someone he thought tried to hurt her, to a head with Christian getting knocked down and then Jaye losing her temper and going after Alex for defending her.

All of this is preamble to their bittersweet reunion when their parents died.

I was on the Jaye love path and that reunion was a bit rocky but, IMO, very well done.

The emotional rollercoaster and the end of that rollercoaster ride, leaving a wiser and more honest Jaye and Alex, sold me on their relationship.

If you are on the Jaye love path, Lisa can clearly see how Jaye and Alex feel about each other, and she is Not going to try to get in between them.

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If someone chose a different path, snubbing Jaye and intentionally distancing Alex from her, then Mallory could well be the easy choice - with nothing in Alex's past interesting him romantically anymore.

The Jaye and Alex love story is one of my favorite LI story arcs: finding love, surviving adversity, and finally finding happiness - a top 3 journey across the hundreds of AVNs I've enjoyed thus far.

Cheers!! :coffee:
 

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The Jaye and Alex love story is one of my favorite LI story arcs: finding love, surviving adversity, and finally finding happiness - a top 3 journey across the hundreds of AVNs I've enjoyed thus far.
In the game I followed the same path as you (Jaye love path) and I will only quote your last sentence, but I agree with everything you wrote, word for word: I am only expressing my personal opinion based on my personal tastes, but of all the AVNs I have played so far, this is definitely in the top 3 if not in first place.
 

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Seems like most people swear by Jaye but I just can't join them for the life of me. I know preferences and all that, and I much prefer Mal. I just feel like I'm the oddball and want to know what I'm missing here. Maybe because my brother instincts kick in but the game does an okay job with taming that instinct and justifying the relationship. That's not the point anyway. What is it about Jaye, sibling or not, that makes you choose her over Mal? That's my main question.
She's the prettiest, a redhead, etc...
 
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Seems like most people swear by Jaye but I just can't join them for the life of me. I know preferences and all that, and I much prefer Mal. I just feel like I'm the oddball and want to know what I'm missing here. Maybe because my brother instincts kick in but the game does an okay job with taming that instinct and justifying the relationship. That's not the point anyway. What is it about Jaye, sibling or not, that makes you choose her over Mal? That's my main question.
Leaving aside physical appearance, which is largely a matter of personal taste (in my opinion Jaye is gorgeous), I think it's mainly a question of empathy.
Just my two cents...
 
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I want to enable the dev console (SHIFT+O) so I put this .rpy file into the game folder.
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But its still not working. Even the SHIFT+D does nothing. Any idea how should I enable the dev console? (I tried the mod too, what the walkthrough mentions but that doesnt work either.)
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Jaye is just one of the best written characters in about 200 (99% completed) AVNs, top 3 if not top 2 for me. She is simply wholesome and the relationship dynamic between her and MC is perfectly written too.

About the "most people swear by Jaye" part...
Steam achievements:
Game over (where MC tries to let Jaye die during the storm) - 17.5% of players
Manifest Destiny (where MC ends up with Jaye at the end of Chapter 9) - 8.9% of players
Quite shocking.
You get a broader picture if you look at all the ending achievements at once.
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So getting Jaye's solo ending is the most commonly completed one, follow by Mal/Amanda throuple, Mal Solo, and then Jaye/Mal poly.

Interesting enough, Mal solo + Mal/Amanda throuple is 10.3%, so combined that's a bit higher than Jaye solo. But I'm sure there's some double-dipping there.
 
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You get a broader picture if you look at all the ending achievements at once.
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So getting Jaye's solo ending is the most commonly completed one, follow by Mal/Amanda throuple, Mal Solo, and then Jaye/Mal poly.

Interesting enough, Mal solo + Mal/Amanda throuple is 10.3%, so combined that's a bit higher than Jaye solo. But I'm sure there's some double-dipping there.
Exactly and the blended family is just the last one because of the way it is gotten, if there was a path to get it in an open relationship with both I guess it was 2nd and probably really close with Jaye solo, it is not so intuitive to get as the others ones but I believe this was intended like it was a special harder ending with specific requirements to get.

For a weird comparison in CoBD there is an alone special ending with an epilogue with 2 of the main LIs and a special bonus scene in a less intuitive path to get it. Forgot how many people I tried to help on both those "special" endings with either screenshots with URM or pdf walkthrough screenshots :LOL: and I gladly do it. At least now there is a resume on how to get the poly ending on the OP.
 
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Exactly and the blended family is just the last one because of the way it is gotten, if there was a path to get it in an open relationship with both I guess it was 2nd and probably really close with Jaye solo, it is not so intuitive to get as the others ones but I believe this was intended like it was a special harder ending with specific requirements to get.
In addition to narrative reasons, Stoya has said they deliberately made the poly ending hard to achieve because with the personalities involved, they believed it would be challenging to achieve in real life too. So you're definitely not wrong there.
For a weird comparison in CoBD there is an alone special ending with an epilogue with 2 of the main LIs and a special bonus scene in a less intuitive path to get it. Forgot how many people I tried to help on both those "special" endings with either screenshots with URM or pdf walkthrough screenshots :LOL: and I gladly do it. At least now there is a resume on how to get the poly ending on the OP.
Yeah, got tired of finding my old quotes about getting the poly ending so literally just slapped it into a PDF so it could be linked in OP. :ROFLMAO:
 

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Yeah, got tired of finding my old quotes about getting the poly ending so literally just slapped it into a PDF so it could be linked in OP. :ROFLMAO:
:LOL: yes I always forget there is a bookmark posts feature so it gets easier to locate them and use it on posts I may want/need to re-post or quote. :ROFLMAO:
 
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