VN Ren'Py Completed City of Broken Dreamers [v1.15.0 Ch. 15] [PhillyGames]

[Raziel_8]

Why not both? Why not do a hard sci fi Neo noir like Blade Runner that asks existential questions like what does it actually mean to be human?

I don't know, i think most settings can be interesting, personaly i'd prefer it if the next game would have a completely different theme/setting.

Whatever he does, I pray to God that he focuses on the story and doesn't just twist it to accomodate more and more sex scenes with different characters. Like have a couple of characters and let them be important to the story, but add sex scenes only if the opportunity arises due to the story.

I think a good balance is key. Story and characters have to be priority, but a good amount of nsfw scenes is also needed, also brings in more support. But yes, no fuckfest on cost of the story.

Also, it is my personal opinion after having played so many games, harem takes away from the romance somehow. So I hope the next one is a single LI per play through game. That way I feel like you can truly get attached to a character.

I think that is mainly due to how most devs make harem games.

• Slice of life/school setting (often way too boring and without a story)
• MC, if lucky, decent/normal (often some perv/creep/idiot teen MC with barely, if any, redeeming qualities)
• A dozen, often even more, LI's...there is just no way to give them all enough screentime. Mostly one dimensional characters with no character growth and forget anything about a good, lengthy romance with a dozen LI's, not too mention conflict or interaction with other LI's etc

If a dev would focus on a good story & MC, a small cast (maybe 3-4 LI's), a harem game could be way more interesting.
You would have time for good characters, relationship/character development, interactions/conflict between the LI's etc.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Having multiple LIs isn't the problem. Japanese developers have them all the time. It's to package it all in a good story and that's why, if a Japanese VN focuses hard on the story, they tend to have fewer love interests and not really have a harem either. Since each of the love interests needs to have a route.

And that's really where western games and japanese ones diverge: the western ones have one route/story with multiple love interests to pick and choose from, while japanese ones have a route for each girl.

 

[Estreiher]

Having multiple LIs isn't the problem. Japanese developers have them all the time. It's to package it all in a good story and that's why, if a Japanese VN focuses hard on the story, they tend to have fewer love interests and not really have a harem either. Since each of the love interests needs to have a route.

And that's really where western games and japanese ones diverge: the western ones have one route/story with multiple love interests to pick and choose from, while japanese ones have a route for each girl.

I dare to say that Japanese VN are generally made by big studios and not single devs.

 

[xXwankerXx]

Oh yes, more of my favourite bitch

Good male domination stuff seems considered 'extreme' in these games, so I'm happy to see more. Shanlon is that sex toy that knows what she is and is fun to play with.

Shanlon's the kinda toxic bitch you know you need to stay away from, but you just can't help yourself but want more of dat crazy pussy, or asshole in her case lol. The fact that she gets off on being hurt, treated roughly and humiliated by dominant men is something some guys would consider a big plus too, and why wouldn't they ?? It's free pussy that doesn't get passed around, can't refuse this luxury.

Hope Philly shows her pussy some love too, cuz as much as some users here troll or hate her for being her, the irony is, she might be the most sexually active woman and still have the tightest pussy in the whole game, even tighter than Gloria's and Katie's, so that's a big W for Shanlon against all the LIs.

Philly's trolling us too hard with this lil unspoken fact, and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see her get her own or throuple ending with Teri as fan service to those fans who like her crazy ass.

And that's really where western games and japanese ones diverge: the western ones have one route/story with multiple love interests to pick and choose from, while japanese ones have a route for each girl.

I'd argue that it's a matter of tastes and preferences, it always is, so as long as you, the player, like a certain game and think it's worth supporting its dev, that dev did a good job and accomplished their goal.

I personally think that few mistakes aside, COBD is a great porn game with an actually well-written story that legitimately deserves ALL those raving 4 and 5-star reviews, unlike most of those ugly bastards and creeps on horny, dumb sluts simulators, while most japanese adult VNs and porn games are, to me at least, a complete waste of time and some nonsense written by a bunch of horny teenagers who know jack shit about women IRL. But like I said, tastes and preferences are always the deciding factor when judging the quality of products like this type of games, so that's that.

 

[xXwankerXx]

I am not sure if Philly has any interest in continue the City of Broken Dreamers game after the final chapter is over, so, I think the COBD community should reunity as a team and ask Philly permission to create some DLCs for the game

Idk, bro'. While I do agree that the idea of having one or two DLCs telling the stories of some popular characters, including male characters like the MC, Henry and the Red Moon, like a lot of big AAA games do, sounds promising and worth considering by Philly, at the end of the day, it's his decision to make, and we'll just have to respect it and wish him the best.

My idea with these possible DLCs is to tell the not told stories of some COBD girls: Like Victoria, for example, a path telling how she became one of the top Baynard lieutenants. Or Shanlon, how she became a reporter and a hardcore sex addicted person. Or Meredith, when she was younger and how she became the Ice Queen of Baynard.

Man, just tell us you want to see Vic and the other female characters get fucked by other dudes than the MC, cuz it sure sounds like it, but if Philly isn't ok with that, the bois in the fan art thread can always make their own noncanonical, sexually depraved porn comics based on the actual story as additional endings or "what if" scenarios to the things that happened in the story, and it should be a win-win type of situation for everybody, of course, as long as they don't try to make a profit off Philly's work and assets and only be ok with the exposure they'd get as 'payment' by doing this.

Only redeeming quality be futa

But only futa on male or other futa, cuz the rest ain't as 'quality stuff' as this shit is.

 

[Beduin123]

I dare to say that Japanese VN are generally made by big studios and not single devs.

I listened to an interview with a Japanese anime developer recently and he said that a lot of jobs are outsorced from Japan to S. Korea and China. That's one of the reasons why the quailty of anime has fallen dramatically in the recent years. I suppose in the adult industry similar process takes place.

 

[Estreiher]

I listened to an interview with a Japanese anime developer recently and he said that a lot of jobs are outsorced from Japan to S. Korea and China. I suppose in the adult industry similar process takes place.

I might be wrong but I believe that even with outsourcing Japanese VN have more people working on a single title then we have here.

 

[Beduin123]

I might be wrong but I believe that even with outsourcing Japanese VN have more people working on a single title then we have here.

I'm not a big fan of anime or hentai but from some casual information bits I have the same impression. Japan is the land of big corporations. That's not a good country for a person with the Western individualist entrepreneurial mentality.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

I dare to say that Japanese VN are generally made by big studios and not single devs.

While true, a lot of those studios started out as small groups with far less funding than some of the patreon games on here. Take Type Moon, for example, when they released the original Tsukihime. They burned that shit on discs themselves to sell at Comiket.

I'd argue that it's a matter of tastes and preferences, it always is, so as long as you, the player, like a certain game and think it's worth supporting its dev, that dev did a good job and accomplished their goal.

I personally think that few mistakes aside, COBD is a great porn game with an actually well-written story that legitimately deserves ALL those raving 4 and 5-star reviews, unlike most of those ugly bastards and creeps on horny, dumb sluts simulators, while most japanese adult VNs and porn games are, to me at least, a complete waste of time and some nonsense written by a bunch of horny teenagers who know jack shit about women IRL. But like I said, tastes and preferences are always the deciding factor when judging the quality of products like this type of games, so that's that.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing. COBD is one of the games that manages to tell a great story and juggles the whole harem thing. But I think that is also a bit of it's 'problem' so to speak because it only really tells that one story and you have the girls share the focus around through it. It doesn't really branch out.

It makes me wonder how a focused route for every girl might have looked in comparison. Does that make sense?

 

[xXwankerXx]

It makes me wonder how a focused route for every girl might have looked in comparison. Does that make sense?

Of course it does, and I fully agree with you. AlienEDM even said something about Philly releasing some sort of untold stories DLC about the women's lives prior to meeting the MC and how they became who they are in the present, an idea I support 100%, with the small difference being that I'd also include the big male characters, the MC, Henry, the Red Moon, even that idiot Alexis Connor, there too.

Would be real interested to see how the MC got into the the whole "ghost" mercenary business, how he met Sonja, how and why Henry basically became a guinea pig for the 1st gen augment program (he had a broken spine and couldn't walk or move at all anymore, if I'm not mistaken), how the Red Moon became some sort of android to protect his country, what happened to Japan before the war that completely destroyed it broke out, how and why Vic became an augment and Baynard agent too and so on.

There's a looot of interesting things that one or two big DLCs could elaborate on for us fans to understand why some characters are the way they are and why others did what they did, why dickhead Alexis practically kicked his own daughter out of the house for something that wasn't even her fault, for example.

So far, it's just wishful thinking on our part, but maybe we're lucky enough that Philly hears about this and decides to listen to our request and give us those much-needed DLCs so everybody could benefit from this.

 

[AlienEDM]

Man, just tell us you want to see Vic and the other female characters get fucked by other dudes than the MC, cuz it sure sounds like it

Why do you say that? Just because you play as the MC in COBD main line, that doesn't mean he own all the girls. This is not a harem game. Also, if you don't like a girl in the game wouldn't care for her to be fucked by another guy besides the MC?

Plus, I'm a very open-minded person. I'm a very secure about my heterosexuality and I don't feel offended at all with this kind of sexual content. And... I don't care if a game has female or male MC, I just want a game with a good story, a good plot and a good playthrough.

But, I understand that not everyone is like me, so... I can respect your line of thoughts.

but if Philly isn't ok with that, the bois in the fan art thread can always make their own noncanonical, sexually depraved porn comics based on the actual story as additional endings or "what if" scenarios to the things that happened in the story, and it should be a win-win type of situation for everybody, of course, as long as they don't try to make a profit off Philly's work and assets and only be ok with the exposure they'd get as 'payment' by doing this.

I understand the game is 100% Philly's property and I don't known if is ok with someone modding his game. That is why I suggested the community should ask him permission first.

 

[cxx]

For the next game Philly could always combined the 40s noir and the sci-fi, something like retrofuturism in Fallout games. It would be something very interesting design wise

new game happens in same universe so no.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Hmm, you know, funny thing about the term Milcher being used in the game. Proper German would probably be Melker. Unless the term was meant to be derived from fish cum

 

[LuciferPrometheus]

Oh, I'm not disagreeing. COBD is one of the games that manages to tell a great story and juggles the whole harem thing.

I really don't think it does in my humble opinion.

In fact, dare I say, no game does. It makes sense if one or two characters out of the whole cast doesn't mind sharing you but when no girl cares, that bugs me. Because at that point they're not real characters but rather fuck toys. Also I might be biased because I enjoy it in games when characters expect you to be faithful and dialogue is actually romantic rather than horny. To me that realism makes sex scenes more hot. In harem games it's like they don't give a fuck what you do.

So I think harem and romance are very very difficult to do together without it turning out to just be a mindless Fuckfest. I can't currently remember any game that got it right.


As for CoBD specifically, I have already said it before, but the harem definitely feels forced. The way that MC can just go from anywhere to anywhere just to bone a girl even though the entire city is supposedly looking for him in a world where there are cameras and spying devices everywhere, it makes no sense to me. It's like you're supposed to think of the sex scenes as filler content that didn't actually happen in canon but are just there to expand length or in this case appease the players.

That's my two cents.

 

[micojive]

I really don't think it does in my humble opinion.

In fact, dare I say, no game does. It makes sense if one or two characters out of the whole cast doesn't mind sharing you but when no girl cares, that bugs me. Because at that point they're not real characters but rather fuck toys. Also I might be biased because I enjoy it in games when characters expect you to be faithful and dialogue is actually romantic rather than horny. To me that realism makes sex scenes more hot. In harem games it's like they don't give a fuck what you do.

So I think harem and romance are very very difficult to do together without it turning out to just be a mindless Fuckfest. I can't currently remember any game that got it right.


As for CoBD specifically, I have already said it before, but the harem definitely feels forced. The way that MC can just go from anywhere to anywhere just to bone a girl even though the entire city is supposedly looking for him in a world where there are cameras and spying devices everywhere, it makes no sense to me. It's like you're supposed to think of the sex scenes as filler content that didn't actually happen in canon but are just there to expand length or in this case appease the players.

That's my two cents.

Imo it all depends how the world is built. If its some super grounded 1:1 real life sim game then its alot harder for me to accept than in a game like this which has basically an alternate timeline of what could happen if things go south and mutants turn out to be real. From what we have seen about the world it doesnt feel out of place that sex is a much more casual thing and relationships seem to mean something totally different than what is "normal" in real life.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Imo it all depends how the world is built. If its some super grounded 1:1 real life sim game then its alot harder for me to accept than in a game like this which has basically an alternate timeline of what could happen if things go south and mutants turn out to be real. From what we have seen about the world it doesnt feel out of place that sex is a much more casual thing and relationships seem to mean something totally different than what is "normal" in real life.

Hmm, I don't think I agree there. Especially not when you got some bonus stuff with Katie when you stay faithful to her.

I also have to agree with LuciferPrometheus that the story, as it is written, doesn't really lend itself to drive around to fuck multiple chicks when the entire city is like gunning for MCs ass.

 

[adanu]

Shanlon's the kinda toxic bitch you know you need to stay away from, but you just can't help yourself but want more of dat crazy pussy, or asshole in her case lol. The fact that she gets off on being hurt, treated roughly and humiliated by dominant men is something some guys would consider a big plus too, and why wouldn't they ?? It's free pussy that doesn't get passed around, can't refuse this luxury.

Hope Philly shows her pussy some love too, cuz as much as some users here troll or hate her for being her, the irony is, she might be the most sexually active woman and still have the tightest pussy in the whole game, even tighter than Gloria's and Katie's, so that's a big W for Shanlon against all the LIs.

Philly's trolling us too hard with this lil unspoken fact, and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see her get her own or throuple ending with Teri as fan service to those fans who like her crazy ass.



I'd argue that it's a matter of tastes and preferences, it always is, so as long as you, the player, like a certain game and think it's worth supporting its dev, that dev did a good job and accomplished their goal.

I personally think that few mistakes aside, COBD is a great porn game with an actually well-written story that legitimately deserves ALL those raving 4 and 5-star reviews, unlike most of those ugly bastards and creeps on horny, dumb sluts simulators, while most japanese adult VNs and porn games are, to me at least, a complete waste of time and some nonsense written by a bunch of horny teenagers who know jack shit about women IRL. But like I said, tastes and preferences are always the deciding factor when judging the quality of products like this type of games, so that's that.

This has nothing to do with her being crazy or toxic. She will either follow my lead and submit, or she will be left behind. I have no time to deal with her bullshit if she won't learn her place.

 

[LuciferPrometheus]

Imo it all depends how the world is built. If its some super grounded 1:1 real life sim game then its alot harder for me to accept than in a game like this which has basically an alternate timeline of what could happen if things go south and mutants turn out to be real. From what we have seen about the world it doesnt feel out of place that sex is a much more casual thing and relationships seem to mean something totally different than what is "normal" in real life.

It might be true for Victoria and Ellen but both Katie and Gloria(?) don't seem like the type who don't care if you fuck around. In fact Ellen would probably break up with you or go crazy if she found out you were fucking both her and Gloria because she sees her as a sister.
Katie should hate you if she found out you fucked shanlon and so should Gloria. And probably Ellen as well.
And I'm sure there are many other incongruencies.

This game kinda became a fuckfest at around episode 7 which is a shame because I remember playing the first 6 episodes at once when I started playing this game and I couldn't wait to play the next chapter. But after that the story went downhill.

Also the big cast takes away from the tension. Think about it, why does every horror/thriller movie have a small main cast? Because it's not as scary when there are too many people. They'll even make the characters split up to make it more scary/thrilling.

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

It might be true for Victoria and Ellen but both Katie and Gloria(?) don't seem like the type who don't care if you fuck around. In fact Ellen would probably break up with you or go crazy if she found out you were fucking both her and Gloria because she sees her as a sister.
Katie should hate you if she found out you fucked shanlon and so should Gloria. And probably Ellen as well.
And I'm sure there are many other incongruencies.

This game kinda became a fuckfest at around episode 7 which is a shame because I remember playing the first 6 episodes at once when I started playing this game and I couldn't wait to play the next chapter. But after that the story went downhill.

Also the big cast takes away from the tension. Think about it, why does every horror/thriller movie have a small main cast? Because it's not as scary when there are too many people. They'll even make the characters split up to make it more scary/thrilling.

I dont know what do you mean? you were able to bang multiple girls right from the start

 

[moskyx]

I dont know what do you mean? you were able to bang multiple girls right from the start

Not really, or at least not so often. You could have sex with Ellen and Victoria since chapter 1, but you couldn't fuck Katie until 5, and Gloria was off the table for obvious reasons. And you could only fuck Shanlon once. From chapter 8 onwards, all those sex options got multiplied, and the fact that there were no hard limits as to how many scenes you could get in the same playthrough (there's only a couple of mutually exclusive scenes) makes a 'manwhore' route a total fuckfest that kills the intended thrilling narrative. Sure, all scenes are optional so that's on players, but that route is not that hard to get, and it totally detracts from the tension the writing tries to convey (especially because, most of times, you have to get to the location where that scene takes place anyway, even if you're not in that girl's sex route). To me, as a believable story-focused game, CoBD ended with Book 1 (chapters 1-7). Book 2 is just a completely different thing.