VN Ren'Py Completed City of Broken Dreamers [v1.15.0 Ch. 15] [PhillyGames]

[Beduin123]

I might be wrong but I believe that even with outsourcing Japanese VN have more people working on a single title then we have here.

I'm not a big fan of anime or hentai but from some casual information bits I have the same impression. Japan is the land of big corporations. That's not a good country for a person with the Western individualist entrepreneurial mentality.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

I dare to say that Japanese VN are generally made by big studios and not single devs.

While true, a lot of those studios started out as small groups with far less funding than some of the patreon games on here. Take Type Moon, for example, when they released the original Tsukihime. They burned that shit on discs themselves to sell at Comiket.

I'd argue that it's a matter of tastes and preferences, it always is, so as long as you, the player, like a certain game and think it's worth supporting its dev, that dev did a good job and accomplished their goal.

I personally think that few mistakes aside, COBD is a great porn game with an actually well-written story that legitimately deserves ALL those raving 4 and 5-star reviews, unlike most of those ugly bastards and creeps on horny, dumb sluts simulators, while most japanese adult VNs and porn games are, to me at least, a complete waste of time and some nonsense written by a bunch of horny teenagers who know jack shit about women IRL. But like I said, tastes and preferences are always the deciding factor when judging the quality of products like this type of games, so that's that.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing. COBD is one of the games that manages to tell a great story and juggles the whole harem thing. But I think that is also a bit of it's 'problem' so to speak because it only really tells that one story and you have the girls share the focus around through it. It doesn't really branch out.

It makes me wonder how a focused route for every girl might have looked in comparison. Does that make sense?

 

[xXwankerXx]

It makes me wonder how a focused route for every girl might have looked in comparison. Does that make sense?

Of course it does, and I fully agree with you. AlienEDM even said something about Philly releasing some sort of untold stories DLC about the women's lives prior to meeting the MC and how they became who they are in the present, an idea I support 100%, with the small difference being that I'd also include the big male characters, the MC, Henry, the Red Moon, even that idiot Alexis Connor, there too.

Would be real interested to see how the MC got into the the whole "ghost" mercenary business, how he met Sonja, how and why Henry basically became a guinea pig for the 1st gen augment program (he had a broken spine and couldn't walk or move at all anymore, if I'm not mistaken), how the Red Moon became some sort of android to protect his country, what happened to Japan before the war that completely destroyed it broke out, how and why Vic became an augment and Baynard agent too and so on.

There's a looot of interesting things that one or two big DLCs could elaborate on for us fans to understand why some characters are the way they are and why others did what they did, why dickhead Alexis practically kicked his own daughter out of the house for something that wasn't even her fault, for example.

So far, it's just wishful thinking on our part, but maybe we're lucky enough that Philly hears about this and decides to listen to our request and give us those much-needed DLCs so everybody could benefit from this.

 

[AlienEDM]

Man, just tell us you want to see Vic and the other female characters get fucked by other dudes than the MC, cuz it sure sounds like it

Why do you say that? Just because you play as the MC in COBD main line, that doesn't mean he own all the girls. This is not a harem game. Also, if you don't like a girl in the game wouldn't care for her to be fucked by another guy besides the MC?

Plus, I'm a very open-minded person. I'm a very secure about my heterosexuality and I don't feel offended at all with this kind of sexual content. And... I don't care if a game has female or male MC, I just want a game with a good story, a good plot and a good playthrough.

But, I understand that not everyone is like me, so... I can respect your line of thoughts.

but if Philly isn't ok with that, the bois in the fan art thread can always make their own noncanonical, sexually depraved porn comics based on the actual story as additional endings or "what if" scenarios to the things that happened in the story, and it should be a win-win type of situation for everybody, of course, as long as they don't try to make a profit off Philly's work and assets and only be ok with the exposure they'd get as 'payment' by doing this.

I understand the game is 100% Philly's property and I don't known if is ok with someone modding his game. That is why I suggested the community should ask him permission first.

 

[cxx]

For the next game Philly could always combined the 40s noir and the sci-fi, something like retrofuturism in Fallout games. It would be something very interesting design wise

new game happens in same universe so no.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Hmm, you know, funny thing about the term Milcher being used in the game. Proper German would probably be Melker. Unless the term was meant to be derived from fish cum

 

[LuciferPrometheus]

Oh, I'm not disagreeing. COBD is one of the games that manages to tell a great story and juggles the whole harem thing.

I really don't think it does in my humble opinion.

In fact, dare I say, no game does. It makes sense if one or two characters out of the whole cast doesn't mind sharing you but when no girl cares, that bugs me. Because at that point they're not real characters but rather fuck toys. Also I might be biased because I enjoy it in games when characters expect you to be faithful and dialogue is actually romantic rather than horny. To me that realism makes sex scenes more hot. In harem games it's like they don't give a fuck what you do.

So I think harem and romance are very very difficult to do together without it turning out to just be a mindless Fuckfest. I can't currently remember any game that got it right.


As for CoBD specifically, I have already said it before, but the harem definitely feels forced. The way that MC can just go from anywhere to anywhere just to bone a girl even though the entire city is supposedly looking for him in a world where there are cameras and spying devices everywhere, it makes no sense to me. It's like you're supposed to think of the sex scenes as filler content that didn't actually happen in canon but are just there to expand length or in this case appease the players.

That's my two cents.

 

[micojive]

I really don't think it does in my humble opinion.

In fact, dare I say, no game does. It makes sense if one or two characters out of the whole cast doesn't mind sharing you but when no girl cares, that bugs me. Because at that point they're not real characters but rather fuck toys. Also I might be biased because I enjoy it in games when characters expect you to be faithful and dialogue is actually romantic rather than horny. To me that realism makes sex scenes more hot. In harem games it's like they don't give a fuck what you do.

So I think harem and romance are very very difficult to do together without it turning out to just be a mindless Fuckfest. I can't currently remember any game that got it right.


As for CoBD specifically, I have already said it before, but the harem definitely feels forced. The way that MC can just go from anywhere to anywhere just to bone a girl even though the entire city is supposedly looking for him in a world where there are cameras and spying devices everywhere, it makes no sense to me. It's like you're supposed to think of the sex scenes as filler content that didn't actually happen in canon but are just there to expand length or in this case appease the players.

That's my two cents.

Imo it all depends how the world is built. If its some super grounded 1:1 real life sim game then its alot harder for me to accept than in a game like this which has basically an alternate timeline of what could happen if things go south and mutants turn out to be real. From what we have seen about the world it doesnt feel out of place that sex is a much more casual thing and relationships seem to mean something totally different than what is "normal" in real life.

 

[PayneToTheMax]

Imo it all depends how the world is built. If its some super grounded 1:1 real life sim game then its alot harder for me to accept than in a game like this which has basically an alternate timeline of what could happen if things go south and mutants turn out to be real. From what we have seen about the world it doesnt feel out of place that sex is a much more casual thing and relationships seem to mean something totally different than what is "normal" in real life.

Hmm, I don't think I agree there. Especially not when you got some bonus stuff with Katie when you stay faithful to her.

I also have to agree with LuciferPrometheus that the story, as it is written, doesn't really lend itself to drive around to fuck multiple chicks when the entire city is like gunning for MCs ass.

 

[adanu]

Shanlon's the kinda toxic bitch you know you need to stay away from, but you just can't help yourself but want more of dat crazy pussy, or asshole in her case lol. The fact that she gets off on being hurt, treated roughly and humiliated by dominant men is something some guys would consider a big plus too, and why wouldn't they ?? It's free pussy that doesn't get passed around, can't refuse this luxury.

Hope Philly shows her pussy some love too, cuz as much as some users here troll or hate her for being her, the irony is, she might be the most sexually active woman and still have the tightest pussy in the whole game, even tighter than Gloria's and Katie's, so that's a big W for Shanlon against all the LIs.

Philly's trolling us too hard with this lil unspoken fact, and to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised to see her get her own or throuple ending with Teri as fan service to those fans who like her crazy ass.



I'd argue that it's a matter of tastes and preferences, it always is, so as long as you, the player, like a certain game and think it's worth supporting its dev, that dev did a good job and accomplished their goal.

I personally think that few mistakes aside, COBD is a great porn game with an actually well-written story that legitimately deserves ALL those raving 4 and 5-star reviews, unlike most of those ugly bastards and creeps on horny, dumb sluts simulators, while most japanese adult VNs and porn games are, to me at least, a complete waste of time and some nonsense written by a bunch of horny teenagers who know jack shit about women IRL. But like I said, tastes and preferences are always the deciding factor when judging the quality of products like this type of games, so that's that.

This has nothing to do with her being crazy or toxic. She will either follow my lead and submit, or she will be left behind. I have no time to deal with her bullshit if she won't learn her place.

 

[LuciferPrometheus]

Imo it all depends how the world is built. If its some super grounded 1:1 real life sim game then its alot harder for me to accept than in a game like this which has basically an alternate timeline of what could happen if things go south and mutants turn out to be real. From what we have seen about the world it doesnt feel out of place that sex is a much more casual thing and relationships seem to mean something totally different than what is "normal" in real life.

It might be true for Victoria and Ellen but both Katie and Gloria(?) don't seem like the type who don't care if you fuck around. In fact Ellen would probably break up with you or go crazy if she found out you were fucking both her and Gloria because she sees her as a sister.
Katie should hate you if she found out you fucked shanlon and so should Gloria. And probably Ellen as well.
And I'm sure there are many other incongruencies.

This game kinda became a fuckfest at around episode 7 which is a shame because I remember playing the first 6 episodes at once when I started playing this game and I couldn't wait to play the next chapter. But after that the story went downhill.

Also the big cast takes away from the tension. Think about it, why does every horror/thriller movie have a small main cast? Because it's not as scary when there are too many people. They'll even make the characters split up to make it more scary/thrilling.

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

It might be true for Victoria and Ellen but both Katie and Gloria(?) don't seem like the type who don't care if you fuck around. In fact Ellen would probably break up with you or go crazy if she found out you were fucking both her and Gloria because she sees her as a sister.
Katie should hate you if she found out you fucked shanlon and so should Gloria. And probably Ellen as well.
And I'm sure there are many other incongruencies.

This game kinda became a fuckfest at around episode 7 which is a shame because I remember playing the first 6 episodes at once when I started playing this game and I couldn't wait to play the next chapter. But after that the story went downhill.

Also the big cast takes away from the tension. Think about it, why does every horror/thriller movie have a small main cast? Because it's not as scary when there are too many people. They'll even make the characters split up to make it more scary/thrilling.

I dont know what do you mean? you were able to bang multiple girls right from the start

 

[moskyx]

I dont know what do you mean? you were able to bang multiple girls right from the start

Not really, or at least not so often. You could have sex with Ellen and Victoria since chapter 1, but you couldn't fuck Katie until 5, and Gloria was off the table for obvious reasons. And you could only fuck Shanlon once. From chapter 8 onwards, all those sex options got multiplied, and the fact that there were no hard limits as to how many scenes you could get in the same playthrough (there's only a couple of mutually exclusive scenes) makes a 'manwhore' route a total fuckfest that kills the intended thrilling narrative. Sure, all scenes are optional so that's on players, but that route is not that hard to get, and it totally detracts from the tension the writing tries to convey (especially because, most of times, you have to get to the location where that scene takes place anyway, even if you're not in that girl's sex route). To me, as a believable story-focused game, CoBD ended with Book 1 (chapters 1-7). Book 2 is just a completely different thing.

 

[micojive]

Not really, or at least not so often. You could have sex with Ellen and Victoria since chapter 1, but you couldn't fuck Katie until 5, and Gloria was off the table for obvious reasons. And you could only fuck Shanlon once. From chapter 8 onwards, all those sex options got multiplied, and the fact that there were no hard limits as to how many scenes you could get in the same playthrough (there's only a couple of mutually exclusive scenes) makes a 'manwhore' route a total fuckfest that kills the intended thrilling narrative. Sure, all scenes are optional so that's on players, but that route is not that hard to get, and it totally detracts from the tension the writing tries to convey (especially because, most of times, you have to get to the location where that scene takes place anyway, even if you're not in that girl's sex route). To me, as a believable story-focused game, CoBD ended with Book 1 (chapters 1-7). Book 2 is just a completely different thing.

To each their own. When I go into these games I know Im not playing Cyberpunk, I'm playing an adult VN which are inherently going to lead be heavy on the sex scenes. This game is more focused on story than most, but is still "just" a porn game. I still dont think its out of character for the world that multiple sex partners would be crazy.

The Patreon after all is "Phillygames, creating Adult games" not "Phillygames, creating a deeply hard sci-fi world that mimics our day to day life"

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

Not really, or at least not so often. You could have sex with Ellen and Victoria since chapter 1, but you couldn't fuck Katie until 5, and Gloria was off the table for obvious reasons. And you could only fuck Shanlon once. From chapter 8 onwards, all those sex options got multiplied, and the fact that there were no hard limits as to how many scenes you could get in the same playthrough (there's only a couple of mutually exclusive scenes) makes a 'manwhore' route a total fuckfest that kills the intended thrilling narrative. Sure, all scenes are optional so that's on players, but that route is not that hard to get, and it totally detracts from the tension the writing tries to convey (especially because, most of times, you have to get to the location where that scene takes place anyway, even if you're not in that girl's sex route). To me, as a believable story-focused game, CoBD ended with Book 1 (chapters 1-7). Book 2 is just a completely different thing.

one can say thats because not all girls were introduced right at the start, but for example Shanlon can be screwed almost immediately too. game was always like that more or less. maybe only exception was this rebel girl with lightning symbol on her face

 

[Idontplay]

Not really. Some girls were immediately "fuckable", due to their nature: Chandra and Shanlon are natural born slut, Victoria is a corporate whore and Ellen was already a Jake's lover, but the other girls were off limits at the beginning, since the story didn't achieve the right conditions to fuck them; even if they were presented immediately (like the Doctor). Only in the later update the game became a fuckfest, since all the sex scenes in the Book 1 were well introduced by the storytelling, while most of the sex scenes in the Book 2 were pretty forced in the story.

 

[moskyx]

all the sex scenes in the Boo 1 were well introduced by the storytelling, while most of the sex scenes in the Book 2 were pretty forced in the story.

This. In Book 2, the effort to include all those sex scenes goes against the storytelling. Where Book 1 was an interesting story with sex scenes, Book 2 is a nice and entertaining fuckfest, but little else. Anyway, here's hoping for a satisfactory ending. With its flaws, it's still one of the best games out there.

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

Not really. Some girls were immediately "fuckable", due to their nature: Chandra and Shanlon are natural born slut, Victoria is a corporate whore and Ellen was already a Jake's lover, but the other girls were off limits at the beginning, since the story didn't achieve the right conditions to fuck them; even if they were presented immediately (like the Doctor). Only in the later update the game became a fuckfest, since all the sex scenes in the Book 1 were well introduced by the storytelling, while most of the sex scenes in the Book 2 were pretty forced in the story.

nah Im still standing on the point its nothing but a wishful thinking or hidden frustration over long c14 release. and its weird to explain the amount of sex scenes because of "nature" of a characters, we are switching the cause and result here to suit argument. not to say its nothing out of extraordinary for porn game to up a pace further into development, and even then, the game had plenty of fuckery without much introduction, even in book 1.

 

[Idontplay]

Considering we have expressed this same complain even before the release of the chapter 12, I would say no.

 

[moskyx]

nah Im still standing on the point its nothing but a wishful thinking or hidden frustration over long c14 release. and its weird to explain the amount of sex scenes because of "nature" of a characters, we are switching the cause and result here to suit argument. not to say its nothing out of extraordinary for porn game to up a pace further into development, and even then, the game had plenty of fuckery without much introduction, even in book 1.

Oh, please, I thought we were having a serious discussion here. Don't play the 'you're frustrated because it's taking long' card with me, when I'm sick of explaining why WaL! devs haven't released an update in almost 2 years. Again, the problem is not that there's 'plenty of fuckery without much introduction', but that there's too much fuckery against the flow of the game. You can not try to convince us that the MC is being chased by all the powers that be, and then make him roam around the city again and again, even on foot, just for what feels like yet another booty call that doesn't really add to the plot (especially when your path chosen forces you to skip that sex scene). This is a complaint I've been expressing for some time now.