LoccoGangsta

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Good update, to some extent. At least MC has grown with powers, but as for the rest of the story, it's boring. I'm really tired of Claire and Ren, even Clare. We know she was made in a lab, but there are really a lot more of them. Does MC really have a choice in the game, of course not, because if she did, I would have gotten rid of Claire a long time ago because she's like everyone else, just power and control, and Clara, like everyone else, expects MC to jump at their will. He didn't have a say, nor did he want to be the father of the child, because like the whole story, no one asks him anything. Just my opinion, no offense.Games are today same as anime,MC can destroy the world but he doesn't have a say.I liked the game when was about MC and Noel,their connection and in the end love
 

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Good update, to some extent. At least MC has grown with powers, but as for the rest of the story, it's boring. I'm really tired of Claire and Ren, even Clare. We know she was made in a lab, but there are really a lot more of them. Does MC really have a choice in the game, of course not, because if she did, I would have gotten rid of Claire a long time ago because she's like everyone else, just power and control, and Clara, like everyone else, expects MC to jump at their will. He didn't have a say, nor did he want to be the father of the child, because like the whole story, no one asks him anything. Just my opinion, no offense.Games are today same as anime,MC can destroy the world but he doesn't have a say.I liked the game when was about MC and Noel,their connection and in the end love
Bro ... when you fuck a girl bare, thats your say in becoming a father lmao

otherwise of course he has a say, its all his decisions these are just not yours.
 

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So Clara is a "mastermind" planer right , but in her plans didnt crossed her mind a single bit that Ren could betray her ?

And Ren .. she can manifest , she can create billions of swords and use her power as she will , and she couldnt had used any sword to stop Unus ? im not talking about her killing him for "going against they deal" , im talking about her using her powers to stop him from killing any of them ? weird to me...

BUT the biggest detail , EVERYTHING so far that happened is JUST because REN wants NAEL to PRAISE REN , THERES NO OTHER REASON. ( she even said and confirmed post credit scene )
BUT she possossed Clara now , and she knows who Clara is and what she is for the MC , does she really believe that the MC will be happy with all that ? That she will get praised by Nael , who definitely would side with the MC instead of other primordial.

Again , just give me the option to kill Ren and im happy :)
 
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I’m pretty sure that Clara willingly picked up the sword that Ren planted in her head. So the consequences of doing that are entirely her own. Hopefully the MC will be able to accept that and abandon her to her fate as Ren’s puppet.

Except.. we all know what’s going to happen.
 
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I’m pretty sure that Clara willingly picked up the sword that Ren planted in her head. So the consequences of doing that are entirely her own. Hopefully the MC will be able to accept that and abandon her to her fate as Ren’s puppet.

Except.. we all know what’s going to happen.
Yes , Clara "willingly" picked the sword , but for a single reason , to save her mother before Unus killed both of them.
Also Clara somehow discovered the whole plan , that everything that happened was Ren manipulating on the background to lead Clara to accept Ren's deal. But Ren didnt count on Unus betraying her and wanting to kill both girls . Ren also didnt want Clara to pick up the sword at that moment and Clara also told her "the mc will do everything to get me back" , which will totaly backfire for Ren , because yes Ren is "back" , but she has the "Ruler B"/Noel as enemy .
And im very sure that MC will never accept one of his most loved people to be a "puppet" , and MC already knows that REN is behind all that when he picked her sword .

My theory is that the mc will kill Ren and absorb her power ( because previous conversation with Noel , said that he is very good at being a companion , but he is lacking in "raw power" , so absorving another primordial will basicaly do the trick ) . I dont know what will happen then , but if something doenst go this way , he can ask Nael for help , and Nael will do it , because she cant say no to her "sister" .
 

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Yes , Clara "willingly" picked the sword , but for a single reason , to save her mother before Unus killed both of them.
Also Clara somehow discovered the whole plan , that everything that happened was Ren manipulating on the background to lead Clara to accept Ren's deal. But Ren didnt count on Unus betraying her and wanting to kill both girls . Ren also didnt want Clara to pick up the sword at that moment and Clara also told her "the mc will do everything to get me back" , which will totaly backfire for Ren , because yes Ren is "back" , but she has the "Ruler B"/Noel as enemy .
And im very sure that MC will never accept one of his most loved people to be a "puppet" , and MC already knows that REN is behind all that when he picked her sword .

My theory is that the mc will kill Ren and absorb her power ( because previous conversation with Noel , said that he is very good at being a companion , but he is lacking in "raw power" , so absorving another primordial will basicaly do the trick ) . I dont know what will happen then , but if something doenst go this way , he can ask Nael for help , and Nael will do it , because she cant say no to her "sister" .
Unfortunately Ren doesn't have the raw power that the MC needs. She is the weakest of the primodials when it comes to raw power. At least, she was the weakest before Amy. My theory is that the MC and Noel gain power by hunting down the mysterious dark one behind Unis and maybe even taking the power from Arsa and Emma. I know he hasn't been mentioned in awhile but Zero is out there somewhere still trying to become a god and the MC is quickly becoming his fastest route to godhood. So, it is likely that Zero and the MC will come to blows at some point which would give the MC an opportunity to gain more raw power as well.
 

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Unfortunately Ren doesn't have the raw power that the MC needs. She is the weakest of the primodials when it comes to raw power. At least, she was the weakest before Amy. My theory is that the MC and Noel gain power by hunting down the mysterious dark one behind Unis and maybe even taking the power from Arsa and Emma. I know he hasn't been mentioned in awhile but Zero is out there somewhere still trying to become a god and the MC is quickly becoming his fastest route to godhood. So, it is likely that Zero and the MC will come to blows at some point which would give the MC an opportunity to gain more raw power as well.
Yes is true , but still REN is a PRIMORDIAL , she has more raw power than any other non primordial , thats includes Unus.
Also getting her power is still a good upgrade in raw power , and of course in my theory unus is dead as well , because theres no way MC will let him live , so means he is getting both of them.
And yeah , Zero is out there hunting "us" .. about him so far i dont know what is going to happen , but yeah , eventualy in the future he is a target , because i dont think the Mc would ally to him so...
 
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Only reason I would give up on Clara is if Ren takes her virginity somehow.

Since that keeps getting teased then cock blocked, though Clara should be able to handle pain with being a companion..
 

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Yes , Clara "willingly" picked the sword , but for a single reason , to save her mother before Unus killed both of them.
Also Clara somehow discovered the whole plan , that everything that happened was Ren manipulating on the background to lead Clara to accept Ren's deal. But Ren didnt count on Unus betraying her and wanting to kill both girls . Ren also didnt want Clara to pick up the sword at that moment and Clara also told her "the mc will do everything to get me back" , which will totaly backfire for Ren , because yes Ren is "back" , but she has the "Ruler B"/Noel as enemy .
And im very sure that MC will never accept one of his most loved people to be a "puppet" , and MC already knows that REN is behind all that when he picked her sword .

My theory is that the mc will kill Ren and absorb her power ( because previous conversation with Noel , said that he is very good at being a companion , but he is lacking in "raw power" , so absorving another primordial will basicaly do the trick ) . I dont know what will happen then , but if something doenst go this way , he can ask Nael for help , and Nael will do it , because she cant say no to her "sister" .
Plus, when Nael finds out what Unus did to MC's brother and Ren is going against her sister, all hell breaks loose for those two, because Nael doesn't care what happens to her if MC's brother ends up dead and badly hurt because of Unus's men did to him.
 
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Plus, when Nael finds out what Unus did to MC's brother and Ren is going against her sister, all hell breaks loose for those two, because Nael doesn't care what happens to her if MC's brother ends up dead and badly hurt because of Unus's men did to him.
Let's hope that in CH.12 the dev will close all these subplots.
 

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it would be hillarious when nael goes rampage against ren because she helpt Anus in some way doing that to gab,and she punishes ren to force a bond with the MC or something like that :LOL::LOL:
 
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I don't get why everyone wants the MC to abandon Clara?
I'm assuming the main reasons are that:

- Clara rarely stands up or calls out her mother, Claire's decision-making and has trouble admitting Claire can do any wrong when other characters do so more confidently. Hence why Ren continuously makes comments to Clara that she is in her mother's shadow and Clara doesn't deny such an accusation because there is some truth buried in those statements.

- Clara has been blessed (or cursed/pick your poison) to be bonded to a Dark One as capable, strong, and patient as Eda, but she waste such a gift by hiding in her room/avoiding basic responsibilities like cleaning her room. If Clara even had a ounce of awareness, especially given the risen threats that her mother keeps finding herself in, then she would've toke up Eda's offer to train so much earlier in the story. It's hypocritical that she will now lay down her life/free-will for her mother, but she had plenty of time prior to at least prepare for such an disastrous event. Clara has been apart of this Dark One/Companion saga far too long to act surprised. Could Clara have succeeded in defeating Albere/Unus with just Eda's power and training? I don't know, but at least, she could've held out long enough for the MC to arrive and/or actually uphold her desire to protect Claire's life at all cost.

- Ren is just a hard bargain to sell as likeable amongst not just the Companions, but the entire cast. She is far too unpredictable, manipulative and selfish. She is quick to claim to be some weird force of neutrality, but her actions will move at the speed of light to counter that previous title, if Ren can see herself coming out of conflicts at the very top on both sides. At least, the other Primordials are capable/proven of looking beyond themselves and not just for the sake of their Companions. Now, imagine packaging that type of individual up and dropping that mentality into the mind of someone weak-willed like Clara, who's grand plan results in the MC saving her and Claire's asses again.

This update is funny to me, because the MC could've met up with Claire/Eda/Clara, if he simply went on foot like he literally wanted to. Claire is in no position to make demands of him and needs all the help them can muster, mother figure or not. Time is of the essence, and Claire has already miscalculated how strong Unus/Albere became. Ren's betrayal was unexpected (Not really because her obsession with Clara wasn't). To be stuck holed up in that trailer, moving at a snail's pace in comparison was annoying to say the least.
Anyway, I don't know what will happen to Ren, but if I get the decision to make her suffer (if death isn't an option), I will do so in a heartbeat. As for Clara, like Ren, they are acting within their nature. However, that doesn't mean I like or agree with Ren's perspective. If this is Ren's way of showing to Nael how worthy she is in her eyes, then leave me out of that personally. Now, as for Clara, if she doesn't grow from this mess, then I will also look unfavorably upon her.

Finally, I wish the developer well and continued success, even though this update wasn't amongst my personal favorites.
 

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I'm assuming the main reasons are that:

- Clara rarely stands up or calls out her mother, Claire's decision-making and has trouble admitting Claire can do any wrong when other characters do so more confidently. Hence why Ren continuously makes comments to Clara that she is in her mother's shadow and Clara doesn't deny such an accusation because there is some truth buried in those statements.

- Clara has been blessed (or cursed/pick your poison) to be bonded to a Dark One as capable, strong, and patient as Eda, but she waste such a gift by hiding in her room/avoiding basic responsibilities like cleaning her room. If Clara even had a ounce of awareness, especially given the risen threats that her mother keeps finding herself in, then she would've toke up Eda's offer to train so much earlier in the story. It's hypocritical that she will now lay down her life/free-will for her mother, but she had plenty of time prior to at least prepare for such an disastrous event. Clara has been apart of this Dark One/Companion saga far too long to act surprised. Could Clara have succeeded in defeating Albere/Unus with just Eda's power and training? I don't know, but at least, she could've held out long enough for the MC to arrive and/or actually uphold her desire to protect Claire's life at all cost.

- Ren is just a hard bargain to sell as likeable amongst not just the Companions, but the entire cast. She is far too unpredictable, manipulative and selfish. She is quick to claim to be some weird force of neutrality, but her actions will move at the speed of light to counter that previous title, if Ren can see herself coming out of conflicts at the very top on both sides. At least, the other Primordials are capable/proven of looking beyond themselves and not just for the sake of their Companions. Now, imagine packaging that type of individual up and dropping that mentality into the mind of someone weak-willed like Clara, who's grand plan results in the MC saving her and Claire's asses again.

This update is funny to me, because the MC could've met up with Claire/Eda/Clara, if he simply went on foot like he literally wanted to. Claire is in no position to make demands of him and needs all the help them can muster, mother figure or not. Time is of the essence, and Claire has already miscalculated how strong Unus/Albere became. Ren's betrayal was unexpected (Not really because her obsession with Clara wasn't). To be stuck holed up in that trailer, moving at a snail's pace in comparison was annoying to say the least.
Anyway, I don't know what will happen to Ren, but if I get the decision to make her suffer (if death isn't an option), I will do so in a heartbeat. As for Clara, like Ren, they are acting within their nature. However, that doesn't mean I like or agree with Ren's perspective. If this is Ren's way of showing to Nael how worthy she is in her eyes, then leave me out of that personally. Now, as for Clara, if she doesn't grow from this mess, then I will also look unfavorably upon her.

Finally, I wish the developer well and continued success, even though this update wasn't amongst my personal favorites.
Damn im not even the biggest Clara fan (i think shes my least liked LI, i even prefer Jacky over her) but thats just not fair lol

Shes just a little girl and was never asked to become a companion and to become a killer/murderer as if that would be easy for everyone like its for the MC. MC was actually the one who made her into a companion so you could argue her wellbeing is to some degree his responsibility.

And the thing that Clara need/should fight herself is pretty new, until not long ago it was fine when Eda simply fought for her.

Clara and Claire walked into a trap and when there was no other possibility anymore Clara sacrificed herself in the hopes that MC will rescue her, she didnt had any other choice but to watch her mother die.

How can some guys here write like she acting entitled lol, what else is she supposed to do/hope? The MC is her friend/lover and among the most powerful people in the world, OF COURSE she puts her trust in him and hopes he will bring her back, friends help each other.

They did not went on foot because they suspected Albere would panic and flee if he gets aware of the MC coming and the MC agreed to this decision after hearing the reasoning. The plan was fine (until a certain point) as Claire had no way of knowing about Ren's sword in Clara's head.

The stupid part was to continue to drive in the truck after he fought the brotherhood goons already, they would know at this point that its the MC in the truck anyway lol
 
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I would sacrifice a lot to be rid of Claire… Clara would evidently sacrifice just as much to save that very same person. This is a good example of moral incommensurability.

It’s the equivalent of Luke saving Darth Vader from being killed by the Emperor. But unlike that story, Claire doesn’t sacrifice her own life to deal with the evil that she helped create while saving her kid in the process.

Nah.. you made this bed Clara. You get to then also deal with the consequences. Maybe Claire can help you handle Ren. Besides.. it will probably be fine. She and Claire can create some evil utopia where nobody has any free will.

I wonder if we can go back to Europe or tour through parts of Asia.
 

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Still one of the best/my favorite AVNs, but damn creators really need to run their scripts through a simple, free spelling/grammar checker. There were SO MANY errors in this. I feel like I noticed one every other sentence. Also, kinda minor complaint, but any dialogue that was supposed to say like, "This bit... then this bit later" was VERY slow on "auto." It was so much faster to just manually progress the dialogue each time. It's like the "auto speed" just somehow gets set to maximum for the 2nd half of those dialogues, despite me having it set below the halfway/default spot. Not sure if that can be fixed easily.
 
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