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Nah, I'm not just the passive type who takes any shit lying down and moves on like a dog, but if that's the kind of thing you're into, then go ahead and c;
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Mom betrayed MC in the worst kind of ways, there is no coming back from that lol
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Why is she so fucking annoying? Why did she try to kill MC like 10 times? Why did she try to kill MC's friends? Why does she manipula MC? Why did she try to keep MC away from her sister? Why does she lie and manipulate everyone around her to make them her toys? Honestly, there are many, many reasons.
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She never once tries to kill the MC or his friends. She is basically a god, if she wants you dead and she knows where you're at, you're dead.
There's some manipulation going on but it's the opposite to what you're saying here. There are some not so subtle hints that she orchestrated getting the MC and Noel together deliberately for some reason. Why, we don't know yet.
if i have to guess i´ll say because the MC is the NEW better rule breaker because he has the potencial and already has several Companions and gets more powerful than Gab,and Noel is to replace Nael as Guardian.
so in short The MC and Noel and his other Companions are to replace Nael and Gab in their former Role.
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She actually does kill the MC in the first ending of the game. When Matt confronts the MC, if the he chooses to fight instead of talk, Nael kills the MC. Also, she seemed intent on killing him when her and Gabe confronted the MC and Clara. She could have just been acting during that confontation but I really don't see what purpose it served. If everything was planned by Nael and Gabe from the beginning, why bother tracking them down and attacking them before the congress? Not unless the entire purpose of hunting the MC down was so Nael could return Noel's memories before the congress.
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You're crazy man, I just played the entire first season and she did all that, and did a lot of other nasty shit she's a bad bitch, if you can't even admit the obvious I don't know I'll tell you honestly, you probably haven't even played if you're saying what I said is a lie lol.
its been long since i played ch1 but i think it says when to save so that it imports it automatically to S2
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It's a non-canon bad end from making a poor choice. If you consider those endings as having happened, any story past those points makes no damn sense. That's like claiming Leon died in RE 4 because you got killed by the villagers in the first big fight. Nope, he survived that game, and the MC will probably survive this one. It's almost as if she's testing the MC and if you make a poor choice you fail the test and she either kills him or lets him die. For the sake of the story making sense though, I assume he passes all the "tests".
And in episode 10 Noel tells MC that Nael could have easily gotten to where she'd been launched to in the start, before she even hit the ground. But she didn't, she took her sweet ass time getting over there. Then once there stopped High Order soldiers pursuing Noel and MC instead of just ignoring them as she almost always had until that point. Those troops wouldn't have been a threat to Noel, but they definitely would be to MC. It's not a smoking gun or anything but as I said a pretty obvious hint that Nael wanted MC and Noel together for some reason, since she could have very easily prevented it if she'd actually wanted to.
As to why she pretended (I say pretended because if she had wanted MC dead then, he'd be dead) to attack them, then separated them after the congress? I don't know. My best guess is she is trying to hide that she wants MC and Noel together for some reason. Which would track with manipulating events so that Noel and MC end up together seemingly by accident instead of just introducing them. So she was putting on a show. See the banner with her as the puppetmaster? She's a manipulator. You can't take everything she says and does at face value.
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I agree with everything you said apart from those endings not being canon. The entire idea of the story at this point is that Nael has some desired outcome in mind for the MC and her sister. When the timeline deviates from the path that Nael has in mind, she resets the universe and everything starts again. Fighting is just a choice you make and if you make that choice, Nael kills the MC and resets the universe. That is why the game picks right back up at that choice again. That ending absolutely happened and in reality, it likely happened a vast number of times canonically. We don't get to actualy see it except for that specific ending but Nael regularly kills the MC if you count universe resets as ending the MC's life.
If you do count resets as Nael killing the MC, then she does it explicitly in that scene and implicitly if the MC doesn't sleep with amy, if Gabe dies to Zero, and on the plane back to the States from France. You also may think that only one story actually happens and in reality, the MC doesn't actually make any of those mistakes. However, we know that isn't true because Gabe remarks about how it has been such a long time since they have made it that far and that he can't die now or it would ruin everything. To me, that indicates that the universe has been reset countless times which means that MC has been killed by Nael countless times.
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The flaw with that is not everyone gets those endings. I never did because it's very easy to tell what's a really bad decision from what isn't. So they're not necessary for the canon story. They're akin to game over screens. Of course it picks back up at the choice where you went wrong, if it didn't you'd just load the game at that choice to continue on anyway. It's a quality of life feature, not a story feature.
And even if you're right and she's resetting the world after the MC makes a mistake that means it never happened, because, you know, she reset things so it didn't happen.
My though process on it is pretty simple....... maybe lol. To me, it doesn't really matter if everyone gets the endings or not. It is just a matter of numbers from the MC's point of view. Imagine you have a desired outcome in mind and the only way to acheive that outcome is brute force. The probability of acheiving the desired outcome is infinitely small but that is okay because you have an infinite number of attempts to acheive it. Within those inifinite attmepts, literally every outcome is likely to happen. This is espeically true for higher probability events. Fight or talk is a fifty fifity probability that would consistantly show up in the story and with an infinite number of run throughs it is basically guaranteed that the MC chooses to fight in at least one of them.
As for the definition of reset, I suppose that is subjective. It is an interesting question though. Is a universe reset essentially a complete erasure of everything that happened before or is it just destruction and creation along the same timeline. I would personally argue for the latter. Otherwise Gabe wouldn't make that remark that I paraphrased in my earlier message.
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This would only make sense if the MC were the one resetting time and achieving his goals through brute forcing the probabilities.
So I'd agree with those endings being canon if the story took place from Naels point of view and she was constantly resetting the timeline to get her desired result. She isn't the protagonist though. From our perspective as the MC none of those endings happen.
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I think our disconnect is in the definition of reset. You seem to see each reset as a new distinct timeline where nothing from the other timelines matter or basically never happened. I see each reset as the destruction and then recreation of everything within the same timeline where all previous events acutally did happen. Both views are valid in my opinion because it isn't exactly clear which is actually correct. It is a fun debate though!
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I think the real disconnect is perspective. You're seeing things from Naels point of view. I'm seeing them from the MCs.
Agreed, been an interesting conversation though
HOW CAN YOU DO THIS? I AM FURIOUS. WHY DID YOU HAVE TO MAKE A TEASER SO FUCKING GOOD AT MAKING ME WANT TO KEEP PLAYING I WOULD SELL ME SOUL TO GET THE FINISHED VERSION RIGHT NOW.
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Anyone have a theory on what this is about?