Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[Ragsmu]

Ok i think i figured out t1 cores. now what kind of commander is needed for tier 2 cores? i can manage tier 2 significant - but cores so far elude me. or should i just try to fine tune my play with 5 EE commander?

 

[SuperSkippy]

Ok i think i figured out t1 cores. now what kind of commander is needed for tier 2 cores? i can manage tier 2 significant - but cores so far elude me. or should i just try to fine tune my play with 5 EE commander?

If you can't seem to get it with a 5EE, you have two ways available to you to go quite a bit further than you think:
The straightforward way is to get Genius and send out one that gets 5 turns for 7EE. The extra turn makes a large difference, because it's a turn where you're dealing all 4 types of circumstance/hitting all 4 traumas each way. But, it can be hard to use that many "free" surround turns before the extermination percentage reaches 100% depending on your other upgrades.

The less straightforward way is to go pretty deep into the chain and get Networked Consciousness. This... does basically the same thing as the above, but is better and overall more flexible in a fight. It gets you a turn ahead from where you were every time you do a surround, basically. So it's better because you get more useful surrounds in before the Chosen annihilate the demons and start flying above the battlefield, and you get some very useful upgrades along the way that may help you break one or two of the T2 cores in terms of more combat turns. It affects your demon surrounds and your standard surrounds, making them all effectively "better" by one turn. I generally prefer this way of doing it, but generally I can also get some T2 cores along the way after I get some significant breaks.

 

[Kalloi]

Ok i think i figured out t1 cores. now what kind of commander is needed for tier 2 cores? i can manage tier 2 significant - but cores so far elude me. or should i just try to fine tune my play with 5 EE commander?

There are a good number of options for doing this but I think the best option for you would to use the 5EE commander since that will continue to help you learn the battle flow for basic surrounds and such, maybe try to increase the duration a bit or pick up some upgrades to extend the battle.

Although moppet would really hurt from versatilty commander that has HATE and INJU equipped which could set you up for a good way to break her innocence but I would only recommend this if you find yourself unable to much damage at your current state

Since you're still getting the hang of things, I will also just say its okay if you're forced to t2 break a minor vulnerability, especially if you managed to make them rivals with the t1 cores, its still possible to turn them back into enemies.

 

[Ragsmu]

If you can't seem to get it with a 5EE, you have two ways available to you to go quite a bit further than you think:
The straightforward way is to get Genius and send out one that gets 5 turns for 7EE. The extra turn makes a large difference, because it's a turn where you're dealing all 4 types of circumstance/hitting all 4 traumas each way. But, it can be hard to use that many "free" surround turns before the extermination percentage reaches 100% depending on your other upgrades.

There are a good number of options for doing this but I think the best option for you would to use the 5EE commander since that will continue to help you learn the battle flow for basic surrounds and such, maybe try to increase the duration a bit or pick up some upgrades to extend the battle.

Yea, was experimenting with 7EE commander while waiting for replies and after fumbling around finally managed t2 core break on Despair.
Current breaking situation is

Spoiler: day 18

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sitting on 43 EE with all upgrades that cost up to 5EE aside from versatility and causal projection bought. considering that i use 7EE on commanders i have 36 to invest, though not sure where. would appreciate a direction, including in what to do with chosen. finish up minors and significant? try for more cores? not sure XD

edit: actually have just enough to get Networked Consciousness +7EE commander with 1 point to spare, so i guess that is a good investement.

 

[Kalloi]

Yea, was experimenting with 7EE commander while waiting for replies and after fumbling around finally managed t2 core break on Despair.
Current breaking situation is

Spoiler: day 18

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sitting on 43 EE with all upgrades that cost up to 5EE aside from versatility and casual projection bought. considering that i use 7EE on commanders i have 36 to invest, though not sure where. would appreciate a direction, including in what to do with chosen. finish up minors and significant? try for more cores? not sure XD

Good work!! I'm glad to see you're getting the hang of things

Like SuperSkippy recommended, Networked Consciousness is an excellent target to work towards while learning the game, Since you have 43 EE it should be easy to get it since you have casual projection already, now you just need dominance unlocked and you're good!

With networked consicousness unlocked some of your older strategies you tried without it might have some use for breaking the t2 cores of the others, also since you've broken Despair T2 confidence you can break Moppet's without worry!

If things go well you should be getting an influx of EE now, Invest in things like soul resonance or passion release to maximize your time and try some things out, after breaking the t2's your next focus should learning a good way to get them in group defilers or orgies even, doing those will get you the Angst need to unlock the first few T3 breaks

 

[Ragsmu]

Good work!! I'm glad to see you're getting the hang of things

Like SuperSkippy recommended, Networked Consciousness is an excellent target to work towards while learning the game, Since you have 43 EE it should be easy to get it since you have casual projection already, now you just need dominance unlocked and you're good!

With networked consicousness unlocked some of your older strategies you tried without it might have some use for breaking the t2 cores of the others, also since you've broken Despair T2 confidence you can break Moppet's without worry!

If things go well you should be getting an influx of EE now, Invest in things like soul resonance or passion release to maximize your time and try some things out, after breaking the t2's your next focus should learning a good way to get them in group defilers or orgies even, doing those will get you the Angst need to unlock the first few T3 breaks

Yea, will go and try to fumble around till everything t2 is broken. Will come back for t3 unless anything bad happens along the way XD
Much obliged for all the help.

 

[SuperSkippy]

Yea, was experimenting with 7EE commander while waiting for replies and after fumbling around finally managed t2 core break on Despair.
Current breaking situation is

Spoiler: day 18

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sitting on 43 EE with all upgrades that cost up to 5EE aside from versatility and casual projection bought. considering that i use 7EE on commanders i have 36 to invest, though not sure where. would appreciate a direction, including in what to do with chosen. finish up minors and significant? try for more cores? not sure XD

Direction with upgrades? Get networked consciousness. Being able to do something with small amounts of surround time is huge, being able to immediately surround a second chosen and start dealing damage the same turn is huge. Seeing you're at close to 100% extermination and starting a surround before it finishes while still growing your total damage output? That's huge too. Causal Projection is along that path, which is sometimes kind of useful. And there's one of the fight duration upgrades on the way too, and at least one defiler.

With the Chosen, your call. Breaking T2 CON on everyone is pretty significant as you almost always benefit from more CON damage on every single Chosen. But personally I'd work on Moppet. Get her INN T2 break, CON T2 break, and DIG T1 break and she'll be a lot more help to you for breaking the others as you can pile EXPO onto her and whatever you're trying to break onto the others. Immediate-term, break those, use those to break Prophet's DIG T2, break Moppet's T2 DIG, and then feast on all the other T2s you have left.

 

[Kalloi]

Yea, will go and try to fumble around till everything t2 is broken. Will come back for t3 unless anything bad happens along the way XD
Much obliged for all the help.

Happy to help! T3 require a different touch to the game but there's a lot of people on here familiar with the change so everyone will be more than happy to assist

I hope your run keeps going well!

 

[Ragsmu]

Happy to help! T3 require a different touch to the game but there's a lot of people on here familiar with the change so everyone will be more than happy to assist

I hope your run keeps going well!

literally first try at moppet

Spoiler: Yea, i think it is going quite well (in b4 done in by my own ego)

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but what is really happening here is an overkill i think. 7EE is to much. 5 should probably do the trick

edit: Also i think it's a thing i need to ask - but should i at this point go for 2 girls at a time when i am not trying for core break? i feel doing rest of t2 one by one is going to take to long

Edit 2: i also accidentally broke core T3 on prophet. oops. now i have 101 EE that i need to spend...

edit 3: yea i am rolling that t3 break back till al t2 are broken. wasnt ready to constant surround breaks.

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

I'm trying to figure out the T4 corruptions, having only completed one so far.

Spoilers ahead for people that like to figure out these details for themselves.

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So I've got the CONfidence/pain/injury DRAIN one. You charge the drain rate by using your master to capture the target, and they'll end the capture sooner and even kill off an extra master, but the drain rate goes up fast.

I haven't got the INNocence/disgust/pleasure HYPNOSIS one. But I think I get it: am I right in saying the way to increase it is to leave the target alone while you surround and capture other Chosen?

But I'm stumped on the MORality/fear/hate INSEMINATION one. I've tried a couple of things, but I never can figure out what part made the insemination increase (or when it doesn't).

I haven't yet unlocked the DIGnity/shame/exposure one. Feel free to explain, though, for anyone that gets stuck and finds your post.

Please help? How to complete impregnation corruption?

 

[Ragsmu]

Happy to help! T3 require a different touch to the game but there's a lot of people on here familiar with the change so everyone will be more than happy to assist

I hope your run keeps going well!

So. Turn 24. all t2 are broken. i rolled back my accidental t3 break so now i have none. 27 EE on hand. i was investing into timer extensions. actually at this point i can buy last one of them but that will leave me with 7 EE - just enough to make a normal commander. Where do i go from there? whats's the approach (as i found out from accidental t3 break - they start breaking surrounds after the break)

 

[haksaw]

Where do i go from there?

Well, start breaking T3s, what else can you do =) You need a 3 capture commander to effectively work with T3 broken girls though. The idea is to keep them busy with surround all the time so they won't use their skills. When you break only one girl it's fine, you can manage to hold her with 2 capture commander, but when you have two T3 broken girls they are harder to contain, so try to get 3 captures by that time.

 

[Ragsmu]

Well, start breaking T3s, what else can you do =) You need a 3 capture commander to effectively work with T3 broken girls though. The idea is to keep them busy with surround all the time so they won't use their skills. When you break only one girl it's fine, you can manage to hold her with 2 capture commander, but when you have two T3 broken girls they are harder to contain, so try to get 3 captures by that time.

used 2 turns to t3 break 2 girls. sitting at 132 EE. Also if i understand it correctly one girl breaks capture and consumes unused captures. what to do with it. Also at this point do i need to finally get Commander upgrades? as i dont see myself doing well in manual commander since i need to inflict stuff at 3 girls at the same time

edit: scratch the last part - need to go manual for it to work. next thing i am wondering if working on all 3 is viable - or should i just focus on 2?

 

[haksaw]

Also if i understand it correctly one girl breaks capture and consumes unused captures. what to do with it.

They don't break out of unupgraded commaders, unless smth is changed. Haven't gotten to T3s in new build yet.

next thing i am wondering if working on all 3 is viable - or should i just focus on 2?

Working on all 3 is not only viable, it's the only way to go. You need orgies for MASSIVE DAMAGE after all

 

[Ragsmu]

They don't break out of unupgraded commaders, unless smth is changed. Haven't gotten to T3s in new build yet.

Working on all 3 is not only viable, it's the only way to go. You need orgies for MASSIVE DAMAGE after all

Sigh, i barely manage to somehow do 2 girls but now i need all 3... what do i want? 6 turn 3 capture + flying?
Als owhat are orgies? if i have to muster a guess - 3 girl with the same break at the same time? or is it 3 t3 core broken girls? what do i need to do first. do i care about breaking significant asap? or should i focus on percentage after t3 break?

Edit - scratch that. managed to hit an orgy - but it randomly wants to break my t3 minor b4 t3 core is borken. not sure what to do about it. or dont start orgy b4 all t3 are broken?

 

[haksaw]

flying?

Flying is very situational. By the time extermination is complete you want to have way more openings than commander gives you.

Als owhat are orgies?

Orgy is having all 3 girls with the same defiler action at the same time (broadcast, sodomize and such). It gives massive damage to all circumstances, so you dont need to work on all 4 with each girl, just one to 10k is enough to join in.

 

[DillyDubzee]

Would anyone be willing to help me out, I feel like I'm kinda stuck as I don't really know where to go from here. I've been sticking to generic commanders so I've never used the Defiler or Suppressor upgrades except for a couple times to experiment randomly, the only time i feel like i've gone somewhere with them was once when i used a punisher upgrade to break a character T4 core. So basically how do i get the best out of those kinds of upgrades? Sorry if this has been asked before but I've gone through around 30 pages of the forum and i still feel lost.

Also how's my progress so far, considering I'm on day 36?

 

[haksaw]

Upgraded commanders are not that useful in general. I rarely use them myself. They are tools for some specific tasks, like dancing around breaks when you go for distortions, or getting as many openings as you can in a handful of turns if you need that for smth. In general standard commanders are more versatile.

Though I see you've never brought any chosen to lvl 7 trauma, you are also in need of an orgy it seems.

 

[Ragsmu]

Would anyone be willing to help me out, I feel like I'm kinda stuck as I don't really know where to go from here. I've been sticking to generic commanders so I've never used the Defiler or Suppressor upgrades except for a couple times to experiment randomly, the only time i feel like i've gone somewhere with them was once when i used a punisher upgrade to break a character T4 core. So basically how do i get the best out of those kinds of upgrades? Sorry if this has been asked before but I've gone through around 30 pages of the forum and i still feel lost.

Also how's my progress so far, considering I'm on day 36?

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Not a specialist by any means as i am constantly asking for advice but i can give my day 28 info to compare. (i was reaaaaly trying to be as optimal as i can be with my lame skills)

Spoiler: Day 28. Time to break all the T3 next

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[DillyDubzee]

Upgraded commanders are not that useful in general. I rarely use them myself. They are tools for some specific tasks, like dancing around breaks when you go for distortions, or getting as many openings as you can in a handful of turns if you need that for smth. In general standard commanders are more versatile.

Though I see you've never brought any chosen to lvl 7 trauma, you are also in need of an orgy it seems.

Yeah I tried to do that orgy thing and...



What the fuck dude that's actually insane