Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

[Comiies]

After the battle on day 1, you get an item. It will be displayed in green text above your upgrade options. You can check what it does in Info -> Items. On day 1 of loop 1, you can change it there to any of the 8 starting items.

Some things mentioned in what I wrote that may or may not have been immediately clear:

5EE Commander = The Mentioned 2 Capture 4 Surround Commander.


Chosen Vulnerabilities are classified in Minor, Significant and Core for the 4 circumstance types, Hate/Pleas/Inj/Dig
All Vulnerabilities will be spread over all chosen so that there is exactly 1 Core weakness for each of those 4 types, with all chosen having at least 1 core weakness, and 1 having 2.
The same goes for all other types of Vulnerabilities.

Each of these vulnerabilities can be broken 4 times, as seen in the profile of the chosen.
1. You need to deal enough circumstance damage that the chosen would reach 10K in that circumstance. Using an Action (Which gets highlighted in green) will then cause the Tier 1 break. Note that you can use surround actions that do not actually affect the vulnerability you want to break. (Check profile, they will be listed.)
2. You need to reach 10K circumstance damage and use the new yellow marked attack option while the chosen is surrounded. Using that action causes a Tier 2 Break.
3. Tier 3 Breaks happen by themselves, and explain themselves when they become available in the chosen profile. For them to happen, you need to reach high enough accumulated trauma damage. That's what the Orgy is for, as it otherwise is nigh impossible to get the required Trauma values in a timely fashion.
4. Tier 4 Breaks are also rather self explanatory. Check the chosen profile after tier 3 break.

Each break makes inflicting trauma and circumstance damage for that type on that chosen easier.

The relationship between chosen is determined by the order of breaking Core and Minor Vulnerabilities of a type (For example, the relationship between your core morality and your minor morality vulnerability chosen is determined by those). (Significant don't matter). I Personally recommend breaking core vulnerabilities always first, it is the simpler and usually safer option later.

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Beyond step 7 the game becomes self explanatory, IMO. My big hangup starting the game was getting past that point. And well, understanding the need of the 5EE Commander.

And again, grab Networked consciousness (the upgrade) as soon as you can. It is really, really good. I usually start the mad dash for it after my first 5EE Commander deployment.

Thank you for the clarification but i am playing in classic mode so i dont see an item?So maybe this whole item shenanigans happen in a diff mode?

 

[Ragsmu]

Thank you for the clarification but i am playing in classic mode so i dont see an item?So maybe this whole item shenanigans happen in a diff mode?

Items are in Campaign. Single play does not have them.

 

[Comiies]

Items are in Campaign. Single play does not have them.

ahh that makes sense.So i should start playing in campaign orrr keep playing in classic

 

[Ragsmu]

ahh that makes sense.So i should start playing in campaign orrr keep playing in classic

Campaign is main mode of the game i would say and have more features. (i.e after winning the loop you progress into another city with increased difficulty, you can use Chosen that you have corrupted in your run(forsaken) as commanders, you get items etc) but play whatever you are comfortable with

 

[Comiies]

Campaign is main mode of the game i would say and have more features. (i.e after winning the loop you progress into another city with increased difficulty, you can use Chosen that you have corrupted in your run(forsaken) as commanders, you get items etc) but play whatever you are comfortable with

ohh so thats where the whole "loop" analogy comes from makes sense.Well ill play around with casual for now and when i understand the game better ill jump on campaign

 

[Anyone9999]

ahh that makes sense.So i should start playing in campaign orrr keep playing in classic

Just for full reference, Single play has items, but only on non classic and challenge starts, and these are usually not one of the 8 starting items.

Campaign is the same as single play mode, except after a victory you get to continue to another city, with your defeated chosen and difficulty enhancers (Loop two could be something like final battle on day 41 with a 2% compounding damage resistance, for example. You always get to choose between two options.). Speaking as someone who got used to the game through campaign mode and barely touched single play, I would say staying in single play classic is fine to get the hang of the game, however I would not recommend the advanced scenarios as the opponents in those are designed with Forsaken in mind, and the scenarios themselves would be either close to loop 10 or above. Can't say for certain because I haven't seen any loop stacked to the degree of the advanced scenarios in campaign yet, but my highest loop is also only 6. Just as a warning.

Also, Campaign offers a much gentler way of getting introduced to these advanced opponents as they will throw you for a loop the first time, guaranteed.

Btw, you can build custom scenarios in customize, if you so desire, so you could technically build a custom scenario in which you start with one of the 8 starting items (Those 8 Items being the first 8 in the customize menu when adding specific items.) or specific chosen.

 

[Comiies]

Just for full reference, Single play has items, but only on non classic and challenge starts, and these are usually not one of the 8 starting items.

Campaign is the same as single play mode, except after a victory you get to continue to another city, with your defeated chosen and difficulty enhancers (Loop two could be something like final battle on day 41 with a 2% compounding damage resistance, for example. You always get to choose between two options.). Speaking as someone who got used to the game through campaign mode and barely touched single play, I would say staying in single play classic is fine to get the hang of the game, however I would not recommend the advanced scenarios as the opponents in those are designed with Forsaken in mind, and the scenarios themselves would be either close to loop 10 or above. Can't say for certain because I haven't seen any loop stacked to the degree of the advanced scenarios in campaign yet, but my highest loop is also only 6. Just as a warning.

Also, Campaign offers a much gentler way of getting introduced to these advanced opponents as they will throw you for a loop the first time, guaranteed.

Btw, you can build custom scenarios in customize, if you so desire, so you could technically build a custom scenario in which you start with one of the 8 starting items (Those 8 Items being the first 8 in the customize menu when adding specific items.) or specific chosen.

hmmm well ill try campaign and see how it is and will comeback with any questions.Appreciate it as always

 

[Anyone9999]

Hey CSDev (or rather CSDevs?), noticed something odd today with the save I send you a while back.

The Chosen who is a twin to all her family members, while they are older and younger siblings to each other, also has offspring. While my settings disable chosen motherhood. Something broke, I guess? Or is it related to the previous relationship glitch?

Save is attached just for easy reference, latest save. Chosen in question is Nightmare.

 

[Comiies]

Btw from what ive read and from what i understand.
HATE 2x ALL my dmg per hate lvl
PLEA 4x my trauma dmg
INJU 3x my CIRM dmg
EXPO 2x the CIRM dmg of other chosen

So do i understand correctly

 

[Celerarity]

Btw from what ive read and from what i understand.
HATE 2x ALL my dmg per hate lvl
PLEA 4x my trauma dmg
INJU 3x my CIRM dmg
EXPO 2x the CIRM dmg of other chosen

So do i understand correctly

You're missing some trauma interactions. The guide says

HATE: x2 all damage per level, or x4 for FEAR
PLEA: x4 all traumas per level, or x8 for DISG
INJU: x3 all circumstances per level, also x2 PAIN
EXPO: x2 all ally circumstance damage per level, also x2 own SHAM

I recommend reading it, it comes with the game as a text file!

 

[Comiies]

You're missing some trauma interactions. The guide says



I recommend reading it, it comes with the game as a text file!

oh yea bro i am blind.The guide also says that they act as trauma multipliers yea.At least i got the first part right lmao

 

[Chekhovs_Ghost]

Missing capitalization twice for "she".

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[CSdev]

Here's the save where it's in effect. Any CamCheat save past the first loop has this problem (same game and all) but I made a specific called Training BugTest with 6 forsaken rolled back to day 40 with cheats........And I just tested my one regular (non image pack) Forsaken and it worked fine. From here I assume that something about custom chosen that were user made isn't playing nice with the system. For convenience since I rename all my chosen, Wraith is the only Forsaken the game custom generated for me. The other 5 Forsaken are from Chekhovs_Ghost's Suntorn Dawn pack.

Thanks for the bug report, this should be fixed in the next version.

Guys, I need help - I played a similar game with the same interface and mechanics, but I can't remember what it's called, there is some kind of war with the kingdoms, it's the same text, with character creation at the beginning, it's turn-based...

5 boardgame dollars say its EraTohoK. Or atleast based off the era engine. EraTohoK has an f95 thread dedicated to it so that's probs the easiest way to access it. There is a dedicated wiki which you... actually I have the site in a tab; Plop*

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Since your looking at turnbased kingdoms, you'll probably be most interested in EratohoK, EraAL-K, and EraFGOK; all based on different IPs but the Touhou one probably has the most translation work done on it out of the 3 variants. Might be wrong since I only played tohoK but this should be good enough for an answer.

Don't forget eraGvT! It stands for Girls versus Tentacles, and it puts you in command of the team of girls. It played a major part in inspiring me to make Corrupted Saviors.

Kept trying, kept changing different things, even after getting them to lvl 4 INJU and capturing an ally, they refuse to use Frenzy. Doesn't matter if I capture an ally who will detonate or not, doesn't matter which of the two I try to get to Frenzy, doesn't matter if they are flying or not, nothing works.

Here's my save file if someone wants to give ambushing Spike a try and prove me wrong, but it seems like I've given many many chances where the ability should be used, and they just spam regenerate or rally instead. It doesn't seem like the ability use is working correctly. Or at the very least, nothing in the documentation mentions it being this hard, and I can't understand why.

Oh, this is an unforeseen interaction. As with all combat moves, Animalistic Chosen try to assess how useful it will be before they use Frenzy. INJU acts as a multiplier for their decision, but the base value comes from the perceived strength of the Commander you're using. For Forsaken, the value is based on their Evil Energy cost with a multiplier depending on the Forsaken's species. And while Undead Forsaken do have a high multiplier, it isn't nearly enough to outweigh the huge cost discount they get. I'll add a much more reasonable multiplier for the next release. Until then, you might want to try using a more expensive Forsaken.

Hey CSDev (or rather CSDevs?), noticed something odd today with the save I send you a while back.

The Chosen who is a twin to all her family members, while they are older and younger siblings to each other, also has offspring. While my settings disable chosen motherhood. Something broke, I guess? Or is it related to the previous relationship glitch?

Save is attached just for easy reference, latest save. Chosen in question is Nightmare.

This looks to be an unrelated bug. Nightmare is correctly flagged as a virgin, so I'm not sure where the offspring are coming from. I'll try to figure this out and get it fixed by the next release.

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Missing capitalization twice for "she".

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Thanks as always for catching these. Looks like some of the text got messed up when I was cleaning up the code for Chosen profiles.

Heya, doing miles better on my second run today, just wanted to upload a typo and a missing comma I found

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Nothing major but ye

And thank you for catching these as well.

 

[DynamoPeach]

Damnn my Chosen is a broodmother already lol

 

[Isilindil]

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Damnn my Chosen is a broodmother already lol

For real, I think relations should have a hard cap of sorts. Right now my headcanon explanation is that those 10+ siblings some of mine had are non-blood related, but I got nothing for 8 offsprings.

Actually, could Chosen stop aging at one moment (like, when they got power or something), which would give them a time to build a big family?

 

[Comiies]

Uhhh so the 5EE commander is very useful(still finding it hard to break vurnabilities after the 1st chosen but oh well practice makes perfecte ig so ill find a way) but the big milestone that i still cant seem to figure out is how to do an orgy.Its very annoying to have all 3 chosen have 10k dmg on the same CIRM because personality is a bitch(skill issue) so ill do the *logical* thing and get more surround turns and around 4-5 captures(after network consiousncess that is) so wish me luck cause this brick will will take a while to break

 

[SuperSkippy]

Uhhh so the 5EE commander is very useful(still finding it hard to break vurnabilities after the 1st chosen but oh well practice makes perfecte ig so ill find a way) but the big milestone that i still cant seem to figure out is how to do an orgy.Its very annoying to have all 3 chosen have 10k dmg on the same CIRM because personality is a bitch(skill issue) so ill do the *logical* thing and get more surround turns and around 4-5 captures(after network consiousncess that is) so wish me luck cause this brick will will take a while to break

A basic Commander (no Defiler/Suppressor) with 3 captures (so 2 extra) and 6 turns should be plenty to get an Orgy with relevant upgrades Networked Consciousness and the 5-cost upgrades that raise Evacuation and Extermination thresholds. If you have those upgrades and you're still having trouble, post a save and and someone will walk you through it.

 

[Comiies]

A basic Commander (no Defiler/Suppressor) with 3 captures (so 2 extra) and 6 turns should be plenty to get an Orgy with relevant upgrades Networked Consciousness and the 5-cost upgrades that raise Evacuation and Extermination thresholds. If you have those upgrades and you're still having trouble, post a save and and someone will walk you through it.

ahh so it is in fact a skill issue on my part.Well thx for the offer but i am far too stubborn to give it up.I will in fact get an orgy and will post it here and be all proud about it lmao

 

[Comiies]

I fucking did it.After 3 hours of having skill issue i finally did it.(Granted it was a 2 turn orgy and i for the love of me cannot even imagine how to have a 5 turn orgy like the kind stranger before told me to as a general pointer but hey i finally did it)

(P.S I would rlly appreciate someone explaining to me how is a 5 turn orgy even possible)

 

[Nemo de Nemo]

I fucking did it.After 3 hours of having skill issue i finally did it.(Granted it was a 2 turn orgy and i for the love of me cannot even imagine how to have a 5 turn orgy like the kind stranger before told me to as a general pointer but hey i finally did it)

(P.S I would rlly appreciate someone explaining to me how is a 5 turn orgy even possible)

Haven't played in a bit and have foggy memory, but the method I remember is to use a decent commander (at least 3 caps), stack trauma levels after ambushing the first chosen, capture the 2nd chosen immediately and do the same (with a focus on your chosen circumstance for orgy), surrounding the 1st when they escape, capture the third one and repeat. Keep an eye on extermination and avoid capturing any chosen until the last surround is about to expire, then capture the chosen with the highest surround turns, using the punisher move, 2nd most (or spend turns upping trauma levels if uneven and you want to try for a longer orgy). Finish off on the third and you should (hopefully) have a decent orgy.

The reason to hold off on the surounds after exterm finishes is to prevent the chosen from flying off, making it impossible to surround them unless you have the augmented commander with the relevant upgrade and a capture charge.

If you have the item Inevitability, you could take the 1 EE hit to make your moves 10x more effective (free surround level for each trauma<---) and maybe get an extra turn or three on the orgy.

Also, save before you go for the orgy in case you mess up or want to change the beginning of the day (chosen targeted etc.).

The circumstance you use is semi dependent on your chosen but a good starting move for first capture would be pummel or grind for the circumstance boost, then humiliate to make damage accumulation on the other 2 easier to do.

Also consider how long it takes for each chosesn to get reinforcements. Example being that if I wanted to damage chosen 1 as long as possible, I'd go with a personality type like the red colored Reaper (6-8 turns for first reinforcement to appear) giving me an extra surround to stun Reaper with (not participating in exterm) while I work on the other 2. Sidenote on stunning is that you will want to at least pummel on surround stuns to get the pain trauma to attribute turns to the surround counter again as surround turns it off at the current level. (surround at pain lvl 2 means that pain won't tally in to the total until it becomes level 3. This is something to be mindful of as losing your pain levels could mean that your shame levels don't either, and you suddenly can't surround the chosen. Totally hasn't happened to me a few times :-D ).