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Nemo de Nemo

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So maybe this has been mentioned but couldnt nail anything down in searches, may also be CE related but the game will just randomly close itself and put out a crash report EXCEPTION_ACCESS_VIOLATION, had this a few times and eventually the game would simply not load at all and sit on a black screen. Is this just me being punished for cheating or is there something else going on?
Sounds like something else is going on here, I'm not sure on the specifics but I'd recommend keeping the entire folder of the current install around in case there is a problem CSDev can fix. Also, I assume by cheats, you're refering to the in game ones?
 
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Tenri278

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I had gotten onto loop 3 before i saw the game had its own cheat option so was primarily using cheat engine. Wouldnt be shocked if that was the cause somehow, but even when i didnt use it, it would just randomly shutdown, so far not running the .jar and instead the .exe is working, but i guess if that changes ill just reset with the cheat option enabled. Weird part is it ran perfectly fine for a good while and then it just starts failing, was thinking there was possibly some overflow somewhere but cant see where it would be from
 

Celerarity

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I don't think there's a developer out there who can be responsible for users randomly and unpredictably modifying unlabeled sections of memory to manipulate their program. Once you break out the memory editors you kind of step out of the bounds of traditional product support.
 

dekeche

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I had gotten onto loop 3 before i saw the game had its own cheat option so was primarily using cheat engine. Wouldnt be shocked if that was the cause somehow, but even when i didnt use it, it would just randomly shutdown, so far not running the .jar and instead the .exe is working, but i guess if that changes ill just reset with the cheat option enabled. Weird part is it ran perfectly fine for a good while and then it just starts failing, was thinking there was possibly some overflow somewhere but cant see where it would be from
Assuming that cheat engine doesn't permanently modify the .jar file, then maybe you could try removing the .sav file? Maybe there's something in the save data causing an issue.
 
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Celerarity

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That said if you're already to the point of wiping your saves, there's not really anything to be lost by taking out the whole install and grabbing the latest version again.
 
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Tenri278

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Thanks for the replies. I had the older save from v44b so i kept going out of stubborn curiosity. Seems to be loading/retrying is what causes the crash which in retrospect makes a bit more sense to me if its holding onto previous instances when reloading, though thats just a guess, never threw CE at a java game before
 

McHuman

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So just a question, is there ever actually a reason to use Suppressor/Defiler/Punisher upgrades beyond doing the T3 Confidence break or any of the T4 breaks? Cause in my (admittedly limited) experience it feels like even with max duration/captures and all 3 upgrades equipped I do way more with a vastly cheaper commander.
 

dekeche

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So just a question, is there ever actually a reason to use Suppressor/Defiler/Punisher upgrades beyond doing the T3 Confidence break or any of the T4 breaks? Cause in my (admittedly limited) experience it feels like even with max duration/captures and all 3 upgrades equipped I do way more with a vastly cheaper commander.
Definer+Suppressor is my go to for late-game progress. But, I almost never use a max duration commander. I find that you don't actually want to capture a chosen too long initially, instead you want to capture them just long enough for the commander capture to run out when a new chosen enters the battle. Maybe that doesn't matter much if every chosen has a T3 Confidence break.
 

Celerarity

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So just a question, is there ever actually a reason to use Suppressor/Defiler/Punisher upgrades beyond doing the T3 Confidence break or any of the T4 breaks? Cause in my (admittedly limited) experience it feels like even with max duration/captures and all 3 upgrades equipped I do way more with a vastly cheaper commander.
You can use all of them together to make a commander that just wrecks chosen. Very expensive though.

Also, the fact they don't allow chosen to use T1 breaks can be helpful for maintaining distortions.
 

McHuman

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Definer+Suppressor is my go to for late-game progress. But, I almost never use a max duration commander. I find that you don't actually want to capture a chosen too long initially, instead you want to capture them just long enough for the commander capture to run out when a new chosen enters the battle. Maybe that doesn't matter much if every chosen has a T3 Confidence break.
Yeah I was just mentioning max duration/capture as an example, I usually don't use maxed duration/capture commanders unless I'm trying for something specific, though in my current loop I had all three with T3 Morality and Confidence breaks so I kinda needed max duration commanders just to limit the number of free turns any of them had as much as possible.

Though what combo of Defiler+Suppressor do you use, cause even when I use Defiler+Suppressor I always do just way more using the same commander but without those.
 

McHuman

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You can use all of them together to make a commander that just wrecks chosen. Very expensive though.

Also, the fact they don't allow chosen to use T1 breaks can be helpful for maintaining distortions.
Ehh, like I said I find myself doing way more without them than with. So what are you doing to get them to wreck the Chosen.

It's honestly funny you mention maintaining distortions as in my recent loop I actually ruined a distortion path because I did so much damage in a single battle that they jumped from no T3 breaks to multiple with one interfering with the distortion plan (while also skipping the T2 break). Granted that was more my fault since I was trying to do a Negotiation distortion on another Chosen at the same time and had delayed the other distortion so that the trauma/angst reset wouldn't prevent me from doing the Negotiation distortion like what happened the loop before it.
 

Celerarity

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Ehh, like I said I find myself doing way more without them than with. So what are you doing to get them to wreck the Chosen.

It's honestly funny you mention maintaining distortions as in my recent loop I actually ruined a distortion path because I did so much damage in a single battle that they jumped from no T3 breaks to multiple with one interfering with the distortion plan (while also skipping the T2 break). Granted that was more my fault since I was trying to do a Negotiation distortion on another Chosen at the same time and had delayed the other distortion so that the trauma/angst reset wouldn't prevent me from doing the Negotiation distortion like what happened the loop before it.
Nothing complicated. Put every upgrade on one commander, send them at the chosen, you now have a one-click option to do all four types of damage (if you spread the specialized ones right) in very high amounts while exploiting T3 vulnerability multipliers. Regular commanders take multiple turns to stack up all the damage types so you're moving much faster.

obviously anything can mess up a distortion path if you use it wrong but you're not getting someone to 10k INJU with no T1 break unless you use a specialized commander.
 

Karnewarrior

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Did the ability to deflower Chosen in the Negotiation and similar paths get added yet or is that still impossible? I've been showing up at Kyoko's doorstep every day and half the time she almost says I can fuck her, but then in the scene I never actually can. Not sure if I'm just doin it wrong or if it's still impossible due to the old connection between virginity and the level 2 Morality thing.
 

alex2011

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Did the ability to deflower Chosen in the Negotiation and similar paths get added yet or is that still impossible? I've been showing up at Kyoko's doorstep every day and half the time she almost says I can fuck her, but then in the scene I never actually can. Not sure if I'm just doin it wrong or if it's still impossible due to the old connection between virginity and the level 2 Morality thing.
It still isn't to that point, but the connection to morality issue is gone last I checked, it's just a lack of writing done for it as other things got put ahead of it such as those things related to the two bosses in the game.
 

dekeche

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Yeah I was just mentioning max duration/capture as an example, I usually don't use maxed duration/capture commanders unless I'm trying for something specific, though in my current loop I had all three with T3 Morality and Confidence breaks so I kinda needed max duration commanders just to limit the number of free turns any of them had as much as possible.

Though what combo of Defiler+Suppressor do you use, cause even when I use Defiler+Suppressor I always do just way more using the same commander but without those.
I've found that a ANGR/INJU/EXPO combo works best. You need EXPO to get scaling damage, INJU leads to higher circumstance damage overall, and ANGR nullifies the highest circumstance penalty, while giving boosted trauma. Swapping ANGR for PLEA increases initial trauma damage, but the decreased circumstance damage actually seems to result in less total damage. Going ANGR/PLEA/INJU does lead to higher initial trauma damage on the first selected chosen, but without EXPO damage being dealt to the second chosen, your second surround will generate less circumstance damage. Which, in turn, leads to less overall trauma damage.
 

MoarDakka123

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Before I forget, I just noticed this game doesn't have the incest tag.

Okay, so, I was fiddling around with the outfit editor, specifically ID 235 (I'm assuming these are always the same?).

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The first thing I did was to remove the shoulder coverage, but that immediately resulted in that thing where the buttons freeze up, like so.

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That said, before this particular bug I was having a blast just seeing a bunch of combinations. I honestly don't know how you manage all this stuff, I'm just so fucking impressed with all the tidbits of information in this game that react to other tidbits in a grand web of tidbits, and it's honestly amazing to me, and I just love it so much.

EDIT Oh, has no one posted the update? Well, here ya go!

 
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