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SuperSkippy

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Okay, so I just got the third chosen from Loop 2 to pop up and these are their current breaks and forsaken abilities.

The only thing I can think (as far as distortion plans) is that Shadow seems like the most powerful one here by far, specifically as a Publicist, but the distortion effects are all confusing af about whether or not they are a good move to go for or not based on the traits gained from special training after being broken.

Like, should I send shadow down the Demon Knight path, or the Eager Partner path since those are the only two distortions that get enhanced EXPO damage?
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You're correct that this needs to be the time to think about your distortions and where you want to end up.

I would say:
Looks like you're sending Paladin down Negotation--that's probably a very good choice if you can do it. One of the few ways that regular-ass Forsaken can be useful in the lategame is if they give large bonuses to converted Forsaken and she has 3 quite good +victim ones.

Cheer can be trained for a damage type right now. She doesn't really have any of the modifiers that I look for, so if you've got a hole in your damage lineup she can fill it. I might go Tempted and build for EXPO damage if I needed that?

I've never really messed around with Demon Knights that aren't Undead. I generally feel like spending all my EE is bad. It's a shame that her self-breaks mean you can't make her a Negotiation Forsaken. She has self-buffs on TICK and you're adding 50% to that with Negotiation, she has a self-buff on trauma and Negotiated Forsaken can use Traumatize which multiplies Trauma. But yeah, bad pre-breaks make me sad. In my games I'd hit her with Aversion (though one on Aversion and one Tempted is admittedly difficult) and use her to buff the stronger Forsaken that I want to do HATE damage (I want a low-disgrace Forsaken that buffs each damage type so I can build strong Forsaken). If that's not something you can manage I'd probably just get all the T4 breaks on her and not worry about Distortions.
 
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What's the best distortion for Victory? I got her Averted since it seemed fitting given her core breaks but making her a passive buff to Animalistic Forsaken feels rather useless in my current run, as I'm significantly more stacked towards Undead. Granted, I could train one of her friends up to be a pretty good Rampancy user, but I'm wondering how worthwhile it'd be to go back and make her something else.
 

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Hey all, it's me again. Been a while since I've touched the game after I beat the first loop on R44c. I left off at Day 33 of loop 2, and it truly does feel like playing loop 1 for the first time all over again, with little progress over halfway through the loop. Particularly I'm struggling with getting that passive income, but the new Chosen feel a lot harder to penetrate (pardon me). Any tips? Will likely restart at day 1 of the loop (haven't checked but is it possible to restart at loop 2 day 1 with your Forsaken in tact if you don't have the day 1 save?)

Probably obvious questions to some of you, but thanks for reading and any help provided.
 

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Hey all, it's me again. Been a while since I've touched the game after I beat the first loop on R44c. I left off at Day 33 of loop 2, and it truly does feel like playing loop 1 for the first time all over again, with little progress over halfway through the loop. Particularly I'm struggling with getting that passive income, but the new Chosen feel a lot harder to penetrate (pardon me). Any tips? Will likely restart at day 1 of the loop (haven't checked but is it possible to restart at loop 2 day 1 with your Forsaken in tact if you don't have the day 1 save?)

Probably obvious questions to some of you, but thanks for reading and any help provided.
If you want specific advice it would help to know your general strategy and information about the Chosen you're dealing with. Though if you want more general advice I did write some guides linked below which might help, they're written with loop 1 in mind and thus don't cover Forsaken, but it should still help with getting a general idea of how you should tackle things. Also there is no way to restart a loop to my knowledge unless you have a save from Day 1 of that loop or earlier.

General early game guide

Basic mechanics/stats/modifier guide

Very basic loop 1 item pick comparison
 

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What's the best distortion for Victory? I got her Averted since it seemed fitting given her core breaks but making her a passive buff to Animalistic Forsaken feels rather useless in my current run, as I'm significantly more stacked towards Undead. Granted, I could train one of her friends up to be a pretty good Rampancy user, but I'm wondering how worthwhile it'd be to go back and make her something else.
I honestly don't remember these and am having trouble finding them. I thought I bookmarked the post that had them but I guess I didn't. Want to re-post them?
 
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I honestly don't remember these and am having trouble finding them. I thought I bookmarked the post that had them but I guess I didn't. Want to re-post them?
Not sure how I'm supposed to re-post them without replaying the Victory fight for each distortion. I did actually replay her once and got her Tempted this time, and her traits are the following:


Trait: Animalistic Forsaken Leader [her base trait]
One-third motivation gain, +100% damage, Distortion trait changed

Trait: Eager Partner (Newfound Caprice) [Tempt Distortion trait]
While Obedience is 40% or above, lose Obedience and Motivation every day. Cycle between four effects depending on the day's mood
Current phase: In Heat (no Motivation cost to deploy, +100% PLEA and EXPO damage)


and for Aversion, her traits are:


Trait: Animalistic Forsaken Leader (useless here)
One-third motivation gain, +100% damage, Distortion trait changed

Trait: Dissociative Identity (Infamous Lapdog)
Cannot be trained or deployed. Never tantrums. Passively increases all damage to bosses and Animalistic Chosen by +20%


I've also added my save file in case you want to run the loop two more times for the other distortions. Labelled the Victory loop 10 start.
 

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Not sure how I'm supposed to re-post them without replaying the Victory fight for each distortion. I did actually replay her once and got her Tempted this time, and her traits are the following:


Trait: Animalistic Forsaken Leader [her base trait]
One-third motivation gain, +100% damage, Distortion trait changed

Trait: Eager Partner (Newfound Caprice) [Tempt Distortion trait]
While Obedience is 40% or above, lose Obedience and Motivation every day. Cycle between four effects depending on the day's mood
Current phase: In Heat (no Motivation cost to deploy, +100% PLEA and EXPO damage)


and for Aversion, her traits are:


Trait: Animalistic Forsaken Leader (useless here)
One-third motivation gain, +100% damage, Distortion trait changed

Trait: Dissociative Identity (Infamous Lapdog)
Cannot be trained or deployed. Never tantrums. Passively increases all damage to bosses and Animalistic Chosen by +20%


I've also added my save file in case you want to run the loop two more times for the other distortions. Labelled the Victory loop 10 start.
Well, I know it was posted at some point, I just can't seem to find it. :(
 

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Well, I know it was posted at some point, I just can't seem to find it. :(
Distortion Traits for Victory:

Rampage - Trait: Demon Knight (Indefatigable)
Motivation lost when idle, gained when deployed, deployment cost and strength depend on Evil Energy, +50% HATE and EXPO damage, deployment Stamina cost decreased to 1%
When Releasing or Rampaging against a target who would take flight, stuns self for 1 extra turn in order to knock target back to the ground

Negotiation - Trait: Flexible Peacemaker (Burn Twice as Bright)
Uses better between Hostility and Obedience to determine Stamina regeneration. +50% PLEA and INJU damage
Species damage bonus initially increased to +400%. However, damage dealt permanently decreases by one-tenth after every deployment

Aversion - Trait: Dissociative Identity (Infamous Lapdog)
Cannot be trained or deployed. Never tantrums. Passively increases all damage to bosses and Animalistic Chosen by +20%

Temptation - Trait: Eager Partner (Newfound Caprice)
While Obedience is 40% or above, lose Obedience and Motivation every day. Cycle between four effects depending on the day's mood
Phases :
1. In Heat (no Motivation cost to deploy, +100% PLEA and EXPO damage)
2. Torpid (too lazy to be deployed or trained)
3. Playful (x5 expertise and Motivation from training)
4. Territorial (tantrums regardless of Motivation, but prevents any other Forsaken from tantruming on the same day)
 
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So I'm getting ready to start loop 3, and now I'm actually curious, is there a list of items that can be obtained during loops an how to obtain them?
I know the base starter items, but then there's the Bigger Breasts item which I have gotten through negotiation distortions, but Aversion distortions don't seem to have any item and there's no txt document that has them listed anywhere (unless I'm missing something).


Never mind, it became evident once I actually had to choose city 3 how I will gain new items (although it's a shame that forsaken items aren't counted in total item count for items like tomorrow's newspaper).

I will say, just encountered my first superior chosen and holy crap, that's how you make a fucking entrance!
I'm kinda jealous that my entrance is just a spire erupting out of the ground with demons.
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Not sure how I'm supposed to re-post them without replaying the Victory fight for each distortion. I did actually replay her once and got her Tempted this time, and her traits are the following:


Trait: Animalistic Forsaken Leader [her base trait]
One-third motivation gain, +100% damage, Distortion trait changed

Trait: Eager Partner (Newfound Caprice) [Tempt Distortion trait]
While Obedience is 40% or above, lose Obedience and Motivation every day. Cycle between four effects depending on the day's mood
Current phase: In Heat (no Motivation cost to deploy, +100% PLEA and EXPO damage)


and for Aversion, her traits are:


Trait: Animalistic Forsaken Leader (useless here)
One-third motivation gain, +100% damage, Distortion trait changed

Trait: Dissociative Identity (Infamous Lapdog)
Cannot be trained or deployed. Never tantrums. Passively increases all damage to bosses and Animalistic Chosen by +20%


I've also added my save file in case you want to run the loop two more times for the other distortions. Labelled the Victory loop 10 start.
Distortion Traits for Victory:

Rampage - Trait: Demon Knight (Indefatigable)
Motivation lost when idle, gained when deployed, deployment cost and strength depend on Evil Energy, +50% HATE and EXPO damage, deployment Stamina cost decreased to 1%
When Releasing or Rampaging against a target who would take flight, stuns self for 1 extra turn in order to knock target back to the ground

Negotiation - Trait: Flexible Peacemaker (Burn Twice as Bright)
Uses better between Hostility and Obedience to determine Stamina regeneration. +50% PLEA and INJU damage
Species damage bonus initially increased to +400%. However, damage dealt permanently decreases by one-tenth after every deployment

Aversion - Trait: Dissociative Identity (Infamous Lapdog)
Cannot be trained or deployed. Never tantrums. Passively increases all damage to bosses and Animalistic Chosen by +20%

Temptation - Trait: Eager Partner (Newfound Caprice)
While Obedience is 40% or above, lose Obedience and Motivation every day. Cycle between four effects depending on the day's mood
Phases :
1. In Heat (no Motivation cost to deploy, +100% PLEA and EXPO damage)
2. Torpid (too lazy to be deployed or trained)
3. Playful (x5 expertise and Motivation from training)
4. Territorial (tantrums regardless of Motivation, but prevents any other Forsaken from tantruming on the same day)
Thanks Nobody032 !

Well, let's see.

I do remember CSDev saying that the Negotiation route has planned extra content for her as the canonical route--that there will be unique content based around a planned distortion for each of the 6 bosses. I've usually just taken the Aversion passive bonus, but since it doesn't work against the higher-tier species and only 2 bosses are implemented, it's probably time to change it up. I kind of like the Negotiation bonus now that Devils are in the game. You get something like 9-10 summons. I'm not sure how much to have her cost on this path. The times when you need some extra juice will mostly be when you're having trouble dealing enough damage to break through T3 openings. So, something on the order of 20EE, so 55-59 Disgrace? The point around there that results in the least total wastage due to Disgrace and EE cost being integers would be 58 Disgrace/18EE. Or you can have her cost on the order of 50EE to keep from using her unnecessarily, but at that rate if you're only getting 15EE/day you'll be in real trouble on shortened loops while you save up for her cost.

I know I wouldn't take Temptation as Splendor already causes enough Tantrums.

Rampancy might be interesting but I don't really like having more than one Demon Knight, and I prefer the one that I do have to give me the energy back. The lowered Stamina cost is the only unique part of her Distortion here and if I'm deploying the same Forsaken often enough (and spending all leftover EE each time) that their Stamina becomes an issue then something's gone wrong.

I'd say Negotiation or Aversion and I'd probably give a slight edge to Negotiation right now (but as more bosses come in, Aversion might be a stronger choice for the rest of the game to be developed).
 
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Distortion Traits for Victory:

Rampage - Trait: Demon Knight (Indefatigable)
Motivation lost when idle, gained when deployed, deployment cost and strength depend on Evil Energy, +50% HATE and EXPO damage, deployment Stamina cost decreased to 1%
When Releasing or Rampaging against a target who would take flight, stuns self for 1 extra turn in order to knock target back to the ground

Negotiation - Trait: Flexible Peacemaker (Burn Twice as Bright)
Uses better between Hostility and Obedience to determine Stamina regeneration. +50% PLEA and INJU damage
Species damage bonus initially increased to +400%. However, damage dealt permanently decreases by one-tenth after every deployment

Aversion - Trait: Dissociative Identity (Infamous Lapdog)
Cannot be trained or deployed. Never tantrums. Passively increases all damage to bosses and Animalistic Chosen by +20%

Temptation - Trait: Eager Partner (Newfound Caprice)
While Obedience is 40% or above, lose Obedience and Motivation every day. Cycle between four effects depending on the day's mood
Phases :
1. In Heat (no Motivation cost to deploy, +100% PLEA and EXPO damage)
2. Torpid (too lazy to be deployed or trained)
3. Playful (x5 expertise and Motivation from training)
4. Territorial (tantrums regardless of Motivation, but prevents any other Forsaken from tantruming on the same day)
Interestingly, based on the rotation described here, my tempted Victory is bugged. She's noted as being In Heat but the roster says she'll Tantrum today (and the one who was supposed to Tantrum, won't.
 

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Thanks Nobody032 !

Well, let's see.

I do remember CSDev saying that the Negotiation route has planned extra content for her as the canonical route--that there will be unique content based around a planned distortion for each of the 6 bosses. I've usually just taken the Aversion passive bonus, but since it doesn't work against the higher-tier species and only 2 bosses are implemented, it's probably time to change it up. I kind of like the Negotiation bonus now that Devils are in the game. You get something like 9-10 summons. I'm not sure how much to have her cost on this path. The times when you need some extra juice will mostly be when you're having trouble dealing enough damage to break through T3 openings. So, something on the order of 20EE, so 55-59 Disgrace? The point around there that results in the least total wastage due to Disgrace and EE cost being integers would be 58 Disgrace/18EE. Or you can have her cost on the order of 50EE to keep from using her unnecessarily, but at that rate if you're only getting 15EE/day you'll be in real trouble on shortened loops while you save up for her cost.

I know I wouldn't take Temptation as Splendor already causes enough Tantrums.

Rampancy might be interesting but I don't really like having more than one Demon Knight, and I prefer the one that I do have to give me the energy back. The lowered Stamina cost is the only unique part of her Distortion here and if I'm deploying the same Forsaken often enough (and spending all leftover EE each time) that their Stamina becomes an issue then something's gone wrong.

I'd say Negotiation or Aversion and I'd probably give a slight edge to Negotiation right now (but as more bosses come in, Aversion might be a stronger choice for the rest of the game to be developed).
I did wondered before if there would be a "canon" distortion. Didn't know it was actually planned. I prefer negotiation the most so that works out for me.

Also Rampage chosen have more utility now with the Angel forsakens trait. Though that doesn't exactly work with Victory. Would be nice if defeating Love(Whenever she is added)would make them both stay at full motivation forever.
 
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hello. After creating a team I click on being but the group I created does not appear
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the group that believes:
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the first girl to appear
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Does anyone have an idea what I'm doing wrong?
 

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hello. After creating a team I click on being but the group I created does not appear
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the group that believes:
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the first girl to appear
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Does anyone have an idea what I'm doing wrong?
Unless you disable the restriction (which I don't recommend), Chosen cannot appear alongside another Chosen who shares their Vulnerabilities. When it comes to auto generated Chosen names Calamity and Despair are two of the names for Chosen with Minor Morality and Core Confidence, so a Calamity and Despair can never show up alongside each other. So with only 3 Custom Chosen you were guaranteed to get a randomly generate Chosen. Unfortunately you also happened to get poor luck as while the game does try to prioritize bringing in as many Custom Chosen as possible, you happened to role Reaper as your first Custom Chosen who should also have a Minor Morality meaning neither Calamity nor Despair can show up, so you'll have 2 random Chosen plus Faith most likely.
 
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So I'm noticing a trend in my loops now that I've encountered my first superior chosen, and I'm assuming this is how it's supposed to be if you use the same strat from the first loop on the third loop since each loop is supposed to get harder, but I'm finding that it's taking longer and longer to get progress, going from having all early +2 and T1 breaks done within the teen days, to not even getting a single T1 break done by day 15.

Is there a more advanced strategy I should be following or something?
(I'll include my save file in case someone wants to dig deeper on my current predicament)
 

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So I'm noticing a trend in my loops now that I've encountered my first superior chosen, and I'm assuming this is how it's supposed to be if you use the same strat from the first loop on the third loop since each loop is supposed to get harder, but I'm finding that it's taking longer and longer to get progress, going from having all early +2 and T1 breaks done within the teen days, to not even getting a single T1 break done by day 15.

Is there a more advanced strategy I should be following or something?
(I'll include my save file in case someone wants to dig deeper on my current predicament)
Are you using Forsaken? Cause Commanders will really struggle to break Superior Chosen.

Anyways, looking at your save, you have terrible luck with Chosen, Purity is practically immune to HATE/PLEA damage making it extremely hard to build up trauma damage/surrounds on her. Meanwhile your Superior Chosen in Tyrant is basically immune to trauma damage in 3/4 Vulnerabilities, and is basically immune to ANTI damage meaning doing any significant amount of trauma or circumstance damage to her is going to be a pain. At the very least she's decently weak to HATE/PLEA so those modifiers should help. I'd say focus Whisper as aside from EXPO she's decently weak to everything.
 
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Are you using Forsaken? Cause Commanders will really struggle to break Superior Chosen.

Anyways, looking at your save, you have terrible luck with Chosen, Purity is practically immune to HATE/PLEA damage making it extremely hard to build up trauma damage/surrounds on her. Meanwhile your Superior Chosen in Tyrant is basically immune to trauma damage in 3/4 Vulnerabilities, and is basically immune to ANTI damage meaning doing any significant amount of trauma or circumstance damage to her is going to be a pain. At the very least she's decently weak to HATE/PLEA so those modifiers should help. I'd say focus Whisper as aside from EXPO she's decently weak to everything.
The only forsaken I have that I can afford early on are pretty much too weak to do any meaningful damage without the barrier ability assisting, but I typically send Prayer in to cause some havoc when I am able to use one.

I have been able to get the +2 breaks on each of them if I've focused them with a commander, but that's using a commander that needs 9EE to send out, so only getting 2-4EE back at the cost of 9EE just really isn't worth it in my mind, but if I spend too long just saving up for a more powerful commander, I'll run out of time before I can actually accomplish anything.
 

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The only forsaken I have that I can afford early on are pretty much too weak to do any meaningful damage without the barrier ability assisting, but I typically send Prayer in to cause some havoc when I am able to use one.

I have been able to get the +2 breaks on each of them if I've focused them with a commander, but that's using a commander that needs 9EE to send out, so only getting 2-4EE back at the cost of 9EE just really isn't worth it in my mind, but if I spend too long just saving up for a more powerful commander, I'll run out of time before I can actually accomplish anything.
As McHuman said your best bet is to go for Whisper first. I was able to break her with a 5 energy commander(Make sure to use your second capture on purity and do Anti->Hate->Exp damage) After that break purity, you will need high energy upgrades to finally break Tyrant.

Now there is another choice here. You can change your bait before starting the loop to make Purity the superior chosen(Set Stigma as bait). Then you can break Whisper and Tyrant first which will make your game easier.

If you still have trouble then I can share the steps I would follow.
 
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As McHuman said your best bet is to go for Whisper first. I was able to break her with a 5 energy commander(Make sure to use your second capture on purity and do Anti->Hate->Exp damage) After that break purity, you will need high energy upgrades to finally break Tyrant.

Now there is another choice here. You can change your bait before starting the loop to make Purity the superior chosen(Set Stigma as bait). Then you can break Whisper and Tyrant first which will make your game easier.

If you still have trouble then I can share the steps I would follow.
Okay, so I got to day 45 and used Imago Quickening because I can't benefit much from going the last two days, but the problem I am running into now is that no matter what I do, I only am able to get two of the chosen to become forsaken, then the third offs themselves.
I have tried starting with all three of them for the final battle, but it doesn't seem like I am capable of popping any of them fast enough to get all three before the extermination ends, which might be because the relationships are fucked in a way that I just don't have the ability to do enough work before the others show up.

I included my save, but unless I'm missing something, I'm guessing I'm screwed for getting all three unless I start the loop over...again.
 
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