Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 58] [CSDev]

SuperSkippy · Jul 18, 2024

CSdev Very small bug (or maybe just a misstatement of the warp objective?)

Loop 11's Alternative route, if you beat Splendor first (from campaign map.txt)

campaign map.txt said:
After defeating Splendor, Devil Chosen are unlocked, and the loop skip condition is related to the Devil Chosen
The Devil Chosen must end a day with an ally ANGST damage modifier at or beyond -120, before having 100M of any type of unresolved Trauma

But, the alternative route doesn't actually unlock until you start the next day with combat, which is mechanically the same (you can't do Trauma damage anywhere from the Upgrades screen so there's no way to lock yourself out of it), but caused me to be a bit frantic trying to discover why I wasn't meeting the warp condition, since the text didn't appear.

This can be corrected by either changing the campaign map.txt file to correctly state "The Devil Chosen must ~~end~~ start a day with an ally ANGST damage modifier at or beyond -120, before having 100M of any type of unresolved Trauma"

OR

you can move the check for this condition to just after the Downtime action. Obviously changing the text file would be easier.

saves.sav for verification of first bug:

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Just ran into something else, please let me know if you need the step-by-step to reproduce it. I didn't get the +100 EE from first time Tempt. Note in this group of attached save files, the Devil Hunger has been tempted exactly once (bringing her next Tempt requirement to 35k) but there are far too few upgrades purchased or EE lost to Undead to account for the missing +100EE. This one's attached as "missingee"--I remember seeing the tempted notification, I thought I saw the +100EE message as well. If I had to hazard a guess it might have something to do with the radio show scripted event happening during that same downtime (though it might relate to the Castigation ability too, but that shouldn't matter since it was the Devil that was Tempted).

Rivlen · Jul 19, 2024

Does anyone else have the problem that the game crashes when you try and deploy a rampage forsaken? I even tried redownloading the game and starting another run, but I get a rampage forsaken, try and deploy, and game just freezes and doesn't start again.

Otherwise game's been a lot of fun

Correction, I'm not sure if it crashes, since the text generates for the next section, but the buttons remain on the forsaken screen and I can't select anything

Omicronzeta · Jul 19, 2024

Rivlen said:
Does anyone else have the problem that the game crashes when you try and deploy a rampage forsaken? I even tried redownloading the game and starting another run, but I get a rampage forsaken, try and deploy, and game just freezes and doesn't start again.

Otherwise game's been a lot of fun

Correction, I'm not sure if it crashes, since the text generates for the next section, but the buttons remain on the forsaken screen and I can't select anything

When you say redownload did you get it from f95 or from the author's website? I ask mostly as the f95 link is out of date, the most recent version is release 55b

Rivlen · Jul 19, 2024

Omicronzeta said:
When you say redownload did you get it from f95 or from the author's website? I ask mostly as the f95 link is out of date, the most recent version is release 55b

f95. I'll try the authors website thanks

PetrusSanctus · Jul 24, 2024

I wonder if Sentai-like heroines will be implemented (yes i am aware they are magical girls but we did have wizard rangers & kamen riders before) + a way to to put a gender to your commanders, like futanari stallion demon or even your avatar on the battlefield.

Sonsuka · Jul 25, 2024

PetrusSanctus said:
I wonder if Sentai-like heroines will be implemented (yes i am aware they are magical girls but we did have wizard rangers & kamen riders before) + a way to to put a gender to your commanders, like futanari stallion demon or even your avatar on the battlefield.

Usually commander are just commanders. You could customize demon lord when you meet them. But otherwise not really. You don't actually meet them on the battlefield more of a commander than a fighter.

Sonsuka · Jul 25, 2024

Rivlen said:
Does anyone else have the problem that the game crashes when you try and deploy a rampage forsaken? I even tried redownloading the game and starting another run, but I get a rampage forsaken, try and deploy, and game just freezes and doesn't start again.

Otherwise game's been a lot of fun

Correction, I'm not sure if it crashes, since the text generates for the next section, but the buttons remain on the forsaken screen and I can't select anything

Best drop a save for us to see. Never had that happen before.

Kalloi · Jul 25, 2024

PetrusSanctus said:
I wonder if Sentai-like heroines will be implemented (yes i am aware they are magical girls but we did have wizard rangers & kamen riders before)

While a whole 5-7 person sentai squad isn't very likely to be implemented unless someone does so once the source code is released, however I think its very possible to make a sentai-styled roster of custom chosen that fit that theme and with the recent features you could even lock in specific teams in order to keep your theming on point. With the custom clothing descriptions and even color text changes you could make something really worthwhile, and I think a lot of people on the forum wouldn't mind giving it a go too

PetrusSanctus said:
a way to to put a gender to your commanders, like futanari stallion demon or even your avatar on the battlefield.

Sonsuka said:
Usually commander are just commanders. You could customize demon lord when you meet them. But otherwise not really. You don't actually meet them on the battlefield more of a commander than a fighter.

I won't go too much into detail since it's quite a ways away but CSdev and I have discussed alternate commander types and a humanoid demon lord commander type. The first thing to be introduced would be the alternate commander type system, after that is implemented I think CSDev would be more than happy to accept commissions for other commander alterations. You can send him a message over on susbcribestar if youre interested!

Once again these things likely won't be implemented for a while if I remember what's on the commission queue currently

Jakethesnake197 · Jul 25, 2024

TLDR at bottom.

Finally finished my first game, as a reward I have a whole new system to master, why is this game more complicated than my aunts knitting projects?

Anyway, my attempts to understand Forsaken stats from the text guides have left me completely confused on why I want each stat to be high or low, so I'm making notes.

Hopefully in my attempts to make sense of the basics of this Forsaken system I'll discover some strategy somewhere. And if not, in the case it might help someone else (or prompt someone else to help me), I'll put my ramblings here.

First up on the stats for me to make sense of: Hostility:

Hostility	Deployment Cost	Deployments until Tantrum (from 100% Motivation)
0%	50%	2,00
10%	38%	2,37
20%	29%	2,76
30%	23%	3,04
40%	20%	3,00
50%	18%	2,78
60%	16%	2,50
70%	14%	2,14
80%	12%	1,67
90%	11%	0,91
100%	10%	0,00

Looks like the main benefit from Hostility is that it cuts down on Motivation Costs.

Two takeaways from this chart are: It is completely pointless to have Hostility below 30%, and that going too high on Hostility has diminishing returns, with >80% being completely non-viable due to not being able to deploy them at all anymore, despite the reduction in Deployment Cost.

As far as I'm aware there is no easy way to increase motivation gains, so as high Hostility as is practical to get, until 70-80% seems the way to go. In my eyes cutting down 25% on Deployment Cost is more valuable than being able to deploy them a third time before they tantrum.

So how bad are these tantrums anyway?
The reference warns us of a Motivation Damage Divisor, that reduces from 22 at 0% motivation all the way down to 2! at 100% hostility. Scary! So I drew up a really haphazard graph to see how much % Motivation damage that actually amounts to when you drop below your 'Hostility threshold'. There probably is a way better way to represent this data, but I'm really amateur so bear with me here:

Looks like my worries were entirely unfounded. Yes, at higher Hostility levels you get the option to keep spamming a forsaken until they do crazy Motivation Damage in a super-tantrum, but realistically speaking that only happens if you do it on purpose - and even then - at 80% hostility you get a tantrum that does a measly 16.7% motivation damage. Even Amazon workers have more effective strikes! Besides, you only get the option to push them that far if they are high Hostility in the first place, at low Hostility you are forced to stop deploying them due to increased Deployment Costs anyway, so the option to deploy until they drop is less viable. The median of all tantrums between 30 and 80 Hostility is 7% damage.

So, if we're going to do reasonably-sized tantrums on purpose, just check in with your other minions to see if they can handle a 7% Motivation hit without causing a chain reaction. Then deploy the Forsaken a time or two too many, and be at ease knowing they'll blow their lid with zero real consequences.

While the median of 7% damage per tantrum with reasonable misuse is a great guideline... Let's go hog wild and explore this tangent: Could a strategy of maximum exploitation be viable? Since a Forsaken throwing a tantrum resets their motivation to 100%... Here's a table of the theoretical maximum amount of damage a Forsaken can do with a tantrum that is the result of deploying them 24/7 until the game literally stops you from doing so:

Hostility	Max Tantrum Damage
30%	6,3%
40%	7,1%
50%	8,3%
60%	10,0%
70%	12,5%
80%	16,7%

So, is an OSHA-decried, perma-deployed max tantrum strategy viable? With a limited roster: probably yes! If your roster grows large enough then this will become impossible to execute. Assuming the rest of your roster is around 30% Hostility so they don't get in the way, how many high Hostility Forsaken can be a part of this terrible loop? The answer is: as many Forsaken as the amount of Tantrums you can get away with:

Hostility	Tantrums you can get away with before chain reaction
30%	11,2
40%	8,4
50%	6,0
60%	4,0
70%	2,4
80%	1,2

The funny thing is that this actually translates to less Deployments overall the higher Hostility your tantrumees are, but you do get more deployments out of a single Forsaken with a higher Hostility before their inevitable tantrum, so it's a wash as to which is more useful. Ultimately, going for 60-70 Hostility early on will allow for pivoting away from this short-term and counterintuitive strategy, to a more sustainable cost-reduction and small tantrum plan, that allows for a bigger roster.

Last thing to keep in mind, and another point for high-Hostility builds: you need at least 35% Hostility for Penetrate (MOR) Defilers. and 50% Hostility for Impregnation Punisher.

TLDR:

Never go below 30% Hostility. Ideally, aim for 40%+
Build Forsaken with around 70% Hostility to cut down on Deployment Costs without completely gimping them.
You can ignore most of the Tantrum mechanic as long as you keep a 7% safety margin of Motivation for the other Forsaken. Feel free to send out a Forsaken one or two too many times, the rest won't mind too much.
35%+ Hostility is required for Penetration, 50%+ for Impregnation.
Very early game you can build into deploying forsaken repeatedly beyond their limits, for instance: two 70% Hostility forsaken: while one is throwing a tantrum the other can keep deploying for 6 days straight, never having to stop since motivation resets to 100% on every tantrum. This strategy is most likely very not viable long term.

PS: What the hell, this is only one of four base stats. I'm too tired to explore the other three in detail right now so I'll come back to this later. I wonder what was going through CSDev's head when they designed this.

Kalloi · Jul 25, 2024

EchoEater said:
Is there an easier way to find out when Kalloi updates their pack other than scanning through the more recent posts here every so often? Honestly my favorite art pack for non-custom chosen so I'm looking forward to the next update.

Sorry for such a massive delay I was meaning to reply to you sooner but got busy with other life things haha
Anyways I'm interested in making a thread for my pack if enough people want it, I don't really know how many people use my pack since there are so many other options out there.

This is a good time to for me to annouce a sort of half-update patch I uploaded today. its nothing too crazy but it carries my theme of "corruption" well enough I suppose. There's also 3 new chosen characters to use! And they even have the new thrall variant that will be implemented in 1.4 for a variety of characters. On top of that Victory has a modified anger(forsaken) focus(forsaken+chosen), and neutral(chosen) expressions that make use of the animation support added to the portrait system awhile ago! Very simple things but considering its my first time animating something I think they turned out quite well!

EDIT: forgot to put the link to the download lmao

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