Java Corrupted Saviors [Release 70b] [CSDev]

[Kaitol]

My dude, do you have any idea how much halfway decent art is? Especially when you need like seven different transformations for each portrait. Basic professional quality illustrations and the rights to use them in a commercial product cost thousands of dollars per picture, and you'd have to find someone okay with their work being used in a game like this. And if you commission an amateur to save money, they might disappear off the face of the earth or stop taking commissions a month from now, so enjoy having wildly different, clashing art styles for every portrait after that.

You'd have to hire the artist full-time to avoid that, and again, that wouldn't be cheap. But if you don't believe me, go talk to a commission artist and see what they quote you to make a portrait pack for you.

 

[Qazex Saw]

A quick look says in the current portrait pack, there's 57 chosen, with 9 expression variations, and 8 variations for chosen type. Then there's the civilian and forsaken version for each type, and the male variation for everything on top of that.
Which if my math is correct, means 3,648 portraits with 9 expression variations each, or a grand total of 32,832 potential portraits to be done.
Technically less since I don't think boss chosen have type variations, but that's still just like what just ~10% off the total

So yeah we're going to have to accept that a fair few corners will have to be cut somewhere to accomplish this, because actually making every portrait needed to 'full professional' or fuck even 'decent amateur' standards will take months if not years of work and I don't even know how much money.

Frankly, it'd probably be best to condense the chosen down to like ~10 per type or something rather than having a bunch of chosen with a variation for each type, and have male chosen be specific chosen instead of a variation. That way you can drop the numbers down something like 10 chosen with 9 expression variations each, which reduces the number of portraits needed to like 2% of what the current approach asks for.

 

[dezil]

Can anyone share some AI portraits? I can't download them through "Mega" it keeps giving me an error...

 

[WulfiesFromTheMoon]

okay, guess I'll add my perspective on this whole "AI portraits" thing, why not. frankly, I don't give a fuck how many portraits there are, there's still ways to make decent-quality character art, for free, without relying on the environment-destroying art theft machine to pump out low-quality slop. picrew, kisekae, whatever, better than AI. and if there's "too many" to manually create, that is a sign that the dev needs to cut the fuck back on the amount of images in this primarily text-based game. there is no justifying the use of generative AI in the first place (unless you WANT less human-made art, at lower quality, and for the inevitable climate collapse to kill us all even sooner, in which case...well, you're not a real person, so your opinion can be safely discarded), but the defense of it here feels especially flimsy.

 

[Kaitol]

Who's defending AI? All I see is people calmly and articulately explaining why human-made art would be difficult and expensive. Which is factually true. There's a reason you don't see many games that have artwork showcasing lots of outfit choices and expressions.

Artists don't want to waste their lives drawing hundreds and hundreds of high-quality pictures for an amateur-made porn game where you torture magical girls. So they, rightfully, want the kind of money only big companies or rich people could pay.

And let's be real here, if Picrew and Kisekae were actual options, why isn't everybody using them? Because they'd make projects look like cheap copies, plus you're heavily limited by what they can do. The game would have to vastly change its scope to try to fit what those tools could accomplish. Which is, frankly, beyond a big ask.

You're the one in here coming and derailing the thread on a pirated porn forum, ranting and raving about how AI is gonna kill us all, blindly regurgitating other people's flimsy arguments without any critical thinking or self-reflection.

 

[Qazex Saw]

Regardless of how we fill the portrait pack, I do think the amount of chosen variants should be reduced.
A lot of chosen already share portraits, chosen are mostly randomly generated anyways, not to mention certain variations (which I assume are considered low priority) are just straight up empty for many chosen (and sometimes all chosen it seems like).

The dev does seem to be struggling to fill up all the portrait slots, and like, the descriptions and personality for chosen seem to be randomly generated anyways, so is there really a need to stick to the 'portrait per name' system?

Like, not to tell someone what they should do with their game they've been working on for years and are distributing for free, but reducing the amount of portraits and variations would cut down a lot of the work needed for portrait packs, which would make a potential update much easier to do, not to mention reducing workload for any fans who might want to make their own portrait packs.

 

[SupremeDarkness]

A quick look says in the current portrait pack, there's 57 chosen, with 9 expression variations, and 8 variations for chosen type. Then there's the civilian and forsaken version for each type, and the male variation for everything on top of that.
Which if my math is correct, means 3,648 portraits with 9 expression variations each, or a grand total of 32,832 potential portraits to be done.
Technically less since I don't think boss chosen have type variations, but that's still just like what just ~10% off the total

So yeah we're going to have to accept that a fair few corners will have to be cut somewhere to accomplish this, because actually making every portrait needed to 'full professional' or fuck even 'decent amateur' standards will take months if not years of work and I don't even know how much money.

Frankly, it'd probably be best to condense the chosen down to like ~10 per type or something rather than having a bunch of chosen with a variation for each type, and have male chosen be specific chosen instead of a variation. That way you can drop the numbers down something like 10 chosen with 9 expression variations each, which reduces the number of portraits needed to like 2% of what the current approach asks for.

I'll fully trust your numbers right now, mostly so I can dunk on the idea of doing ALL portraits.

With extra math, and considering the range of portrait file size (for the base game at least) is around 60KB on the low-end, with the average being around 300-350KB, and 400KB on the relatively high-end, that would be bloating the game size (accounting for the low-end) to:

1,969,920KB or 1.96GB

Which is a whole gigabyte higher than the ENTIRETY of version R66 that stands at a 989MB!

Now if you took the AVERAGE 300KB? It would be 9,849,600KB or in more comprehensible terms, 9.84 GIGABYTES.

Imo that's enough reason to NOT get every single portrait that is "meant" to be in the game, because bloat like that just feels like a Call of Duty situation all over again and will drive away people who want to try out the game, y'know, CoD is like 200GB for some unknown reason (laziness).

Just to sate anyone's curiosity, the high-end (of what i found in the game files for portraits) would be equal to about around 13,123,800KB or 13.12GB, not even of PORN mind you, but at most of blushing girls (or boys for whoever plays with guys, I don't judge) which, at that point, just pack it up.

EDIT: For some reason, my bolding didn't pass through?

 

[kinka]

is there currently a way to get a male chosen to rape/have sex with a female chosen and get them pregnant?

 

[glocknar]

So Orgasm Denial is now a thing since I last played, and Chosen have opinions on it. Anyone have a breakdown on how I influence that one way or another?

 

[aumhs]

is there currently a way to get a male chosen to rape/have sex with a female chosen and get them pregnant?

I haven't tried it, but the MOR T3 break scenes might work?
In case you don't know how to get them: If you break T3 of a chosen's core vulnerability, you get a scene with that chosen and the chosen that has a minor vulnerability in the same category. The MOR T3 scene involves vaginal penetration if both are female (with a strapon), I don't know how the scene works if one of them is male (and if it depends on which of the two is male). (And the scene differs based on if the chosen with the minor vulnerability has their vulnerability broken as well or not).

 

[dekeche]

So Orgasm Denial is now a thing since I last played, and Chosen have opinions on it. Anyone have a breakdown on how I influence that one way or another?

Basically, just bring them over 10K pleasure by "low stimulation" methods (kiss, caress). If you do it correctly, there will be a line about "not enough stimulation to orgasm", or something along those lines. After that, you just need to bring them over 30K with no restrictions on the methods. Do that enough, and they'll learn to love it. Just be advised, some chosen tend to be a bit more... aggressive about seeking their own pleasure. In which case, you may also need to tie them up to stop them from initiating a thighjob.

 

[kinka]

I haven't tried it, but the MOR T3 break scenes might work?
In case you don't know how to get them: If you break T3 of a chosen's core vulnerability, you get a scene with that chosen and the chosen that has a minor vulnerability in the same category. The MOR T3 scene involves vaginal penetration if both are female (with a strapon), I don't know how the scene works if one of them is male (and if it depends on which of the two is male). (And the scene differs based on if the chosen with the minor vulnerability has their vulnerability broken as well or not).

cool thx, ill look in to it.

 

[kinka]

in the portrait packs i see ones named 'used' which i dont see in the base portraits, is there a list of all possible portrait names in a set?

 

[glocknar]

Basically, just bring them over 10K pleasure by "low stimulation" methods (kiss, caress). If you do it correctly, there will be a line about "not enough stimulation to orgasm", or something along those lines. After that, you just need to bring them over 30K with no restrictions on the methods. Do that enough, and they'll learn to love it. Just be advised, some chosen tend to be a bit more... aggressive about seeking their own pleasure. In which case, you may also need to tie them up to stop them from initiating a thighjob.

Thanks man, gonna go train hedonistic fallen magical girls to enjoy not getting to orgasm now!

 

[Shasou]

Hey CSDev, after you finish adding the things you have planned for the campaign, do you still plan to flesh out and expand on the sex system? I feel like if there's a weakest link in the game, that would be it, it still feels kinda shallow compared to everything else the game has going.

 

[BichaDoBundao]

What are the lastest portrait packs?

 

[Karnewarrior]

Does anyone have any custom teams of chosen they're proud of? I misplaced my old copy, and now I've got to start from scratch, but I don't have time to remake all my Meguca customs.

I'm talking about the outfits and body shapes bit, of course, the portraits are still in this thread.