The PC is not mindless in almost all these circumstances. Pretty important distinction to make because... yeah it's pretty normal for stuff like that to not pointlessly include extraneous fucking of more characters if the self-insert is supposed to have their faculties.
I'll admit to using the phrase "mindless" a bit liberally here. If the PC opts to give up their goals, aspirations, and everything important in life to fuck/get fucked, then I consider that tantamount to being mindless. They're not really the same character anymore and don't function as a person outside of sex, so it strikes me as such, but that is a misleading way for me to phrase it. My bad.
I disagree that it's pointless though. I think that the intent behind including these details in the bad ends, at least in my opinion, is to elevate the writer's fantasy of the sex slave scenario. If it doesn't do it for you then I understand why those additions would undermine your appreciation for them instead, and I think that's completely fair in a vacuum. I really only take issue with these scenes being framed as cuckoldry, because the comparisons are incredibly spurious at best. The dynamics and intent just do not match with what's put to paper. If you employ the logic some of these people then you might as well call every person in a harem other than the center a cuck.
Would be great if you could list them because the only ones that come to mind are Evelynn and Orlaith.
Depends on your orientation and interests.
Sans Evelyn, Orlaith, and Kalysea, other good futa/dickgirl options include: Dom Arona (Obvious choice, but has a lot of content. Kind of a pain in the ass though since you can't usually pick her sex scenes), Kasyrra (Another obvious choice, but her sex scenes have a large amount of content. Especially if you're romancing her), Mara (Centaur, has a lot of additional stuff if you send her to the slime ranch, can fuck Eubicha), Klemaia (Marefolk, gives you the experience of being part of a harem), Oxana (Tanuki, has a lot of scene variance and can include Cait, in-depth mind control-esque progression without a bad end), Meira (Tanuki, good amount of content with minor variation after you finish Oxana's fox den quest, touches on some of the same mind control as Oxana without any long lasting effects), Hashat (Half-Marefolk, has extra content with elves, can fuck Etheryn), Edessari/Wredi/Naiyana (Pairing these three together because they have a ton of content as a group. They have extra content if you marry Atani and cure Sariel IIRC. Can include Cait and Sariel), Lyla (Human, has SPH and petplay scenes alongside normal dom stuff, has a threesome with Oxana), Seastone (Siorcanna, has alpha/beta oriented sex, has harem options as well), Rixx (Goblin, very dom themed, has tentacle sex as well).
Not sure if you like men or not, so I'll keep this list shorter: Brint (Obvious choice, but has a ton of content and progression), Behemoth (Corrupted Centaur, has some big size difference focus IIRC), Berwyn (Another obvious choice, but has a lot of good content for dom and brat sub stuff. Can also be turned fem or futa after his quest is done), Sugo (Femboy Centaur, interesting interactions with Cait, has one of the only more cuckoldry oriented scenes in the game via a dream), Nikol (Femboy Mino, can be made more dommy or subby as you interact with him).
All these characters have dom scenes, but some are more dom than others. I'm hesitant to put them on a domming scale because your preferences will play a big part in how much they do for you. If you're curious about anyone in particular then feel free to ask. There are vag only femdom options as well, but they're pretty rare so I didn't list them. Again though, happy to share if you want.
I'll agree complaining about easily avoidable bad ends that aren't up your alley is silly. However, I don't think that means they're instantly free from criticism. Pretty much all the fuss could be avoided by hinting from the character themselves that there will be voyeurism/sharing content. For Kalysea as example, it could just be introduced into her "Journey" talk tab pretty easily. Or for a more general example, include a line of dirty talk about being in their harem in a sex scene leading up to a bad end.
I completely agree that they aren't free from critique. In fact, I think anyone discouraging criticism is doing the game and the community a great disservice. Being able to give feedback is very important, as there's almost always something to glean from it.
So then just say harem. If you are not in the center and the lovers express interest in other people, then it's not a harem(at least, not from the reader's perspective). It's just polyamory at that point.
I agree that it's not your harem if you're not the center AND the lovers express interest in other people, but that's not the situation I was defining. I was calling it a "selfish harem" specifically because I wanted to delineate between harem types. I think, for example, a harem where you are the center, but everyone else is in an otherwise committed relationship is still a harem. Sure, the members of the harem have someone else they're with outside of you, but you are the single point by which they're all otherwise orbiting. Likewise, I would say a harem where some members are together in little pockets is still a harem, it's just got poly dynamics sprinkled in.
Not to muddy the conversation, I just think harems are more complicated and flexible than many might give them credit for, and thus I think a bit of refined terminology can help. Clearly it didn't in this case, since it gave the wrong impression, but I blame that on my poor word choice rather than the desire to differentiate.
I mean winning in combat conveys the same point with victory sex and everybody here has played CoC1 and/or TiTS. I don't think that's a good example though as pretty much every instance of those games having group sex as a loss scene focuses entirely on the player. Even when it comes to this game, loss scenes involving party members are pretty uncommon.
I think the winning sex scenes serve a similar purpose, but I don't think it's entirely one to one because players will not internalize it the same way. It does serve to reinforce the notion of rape and sex being normal in the world, but I think winning consistently and getting sex as a reward actually makes the idea of player control stronger in their mind. That's fine on its own, though I think it's at odds with what the loss sex scenes normalize. I think the game could do a better job of balancing it, honestly, because I feel like this incongruence is a large reason why some players take the sex scenes where they lose control so poorly. Aside from, y'know, maybe just not liking the idea of rape/being raped, but not sure if there's any getting around that hurdle from a development standpoint. Not in this game, anyway.
That's... not really obvious at all. I mean obviously it opens the door more but it's not some foregone conclusion. Especially with the cuck content in this game being kinda laughable in terms of how sparse and underwhelming it is and how PC-centric the game still is.
Personally I think it's the obvious way to take things given the increased focus on NPC group sex and multiple full time companion relationships, but I understand what you mean. I'd agree it wasn't necessarily foregone conclusion if the game weren't so far along. After all, it could have gone many directions in theory, but the way the devs/writers chose to implement and focus on it leaves the preferred direction very clear IMO.
I agree the actual cuckoldry content is severely lacking. I understand the devs don't want NTR, but we could at least get some NTS or something since it's very adjecent to swinging already. Even the better examples that touch on cuckoldry, such as the loss scenes with Arona or when you bet Cait against Sandre & Caera, feel lacking since they have no lasting impact. Ironically the newest additions with Sandre & Caera are some of the closest cucking content we've had so far, and it's the player pseudo-cucking Sandre with Caera when betting away their dicks. Oh well, maybe in the future.
This is why you should not assume someone's tone in text unless it's extremely obvious. I don't care very much if it's in or not, I can ignore scenes I don't like. Plus I'm into NTR so uh.... yeah.
Fair enough, I just wasn't getting that impression at all from your posts.
I am simply advocating for those instances that doesn't telegraph them well enough to do a better job of it.
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...Transparency. That's all I'm asking for.
I'd love to get in the weeds on the details of Kalysea's route, but I'm a bit short on time unfortunately. Would be happy to circle back to that at a later date, if you're willing and the thread hasn't moved on too far. I think discussing the fine details of what could be done better or worse in a route is good fun.
That aside, I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting more clarity and transparency. I think most porn games, especially text based ones like these, would benefit from the practice holistically. As I said, I think COC2 does a fine job setting the expectations for its content broadly, but that certainly doesn't mean it can't be refined. I'm not against that in the slightest. The issue I have is primarily with this branch of fetishism being singled out, as if unprompted group sex is something particularly out there and egregious in a game with forced transformation, rape, snuff, etc.
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