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People mostly like Wsan but just a few pages ago destroyerofassholes said Wsan is pretty repetitive and I didn't kick his teeth in, in my reply.
Not the best example, destroyer simply hasn't opened the anthrax mail I sent him for daring to disagree with me on the internet.

It absolutely wouldn't surprise me if the majority of people in here complaining about oppressive mods were themselves at fault for being banned due to their inability to discuss the game in a polite and civilized manner.
There's plenty of examples of the writers reacting in completely ridiculous ways to criticism, unjust or not, and the vast majority of the dislike here is focused at tobs and bubblelord, who are the ones most responsible for that sort of behaviour. Sometimes savin too, though that's 99% limited to the NTR cat.

Kallisto already covered the rest pretty well, but people absolutely do react better when good content is added.
 

Archaon11111

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There are files in which Kasyrra doesn't have a horse dick. Is there any way to use those instead of the normal ones? I really like her character and design except for the dick which just doesn't do it for me.
You could try switching the file image names so the non dick version of her art pops up instead, but that wont change scenes there will always be mentions of her dick during sex.
 

Malcowitz

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And yet the reviews for this thread give the game 4.5/5 Stars. The discontent between the extreme negativity inside the thread and the praise in the reviews is not the only thing I find hilarious about this place.
Who gives a shit enough to make a fucking review lol

The game is worse in almost every category than 1, featuring inferior NPCs, content and a baffling and stupid focus on ~story and gameplay~ rather than fucking pornography and manages to deliver everything in small, shitty sizes.

Even Mayternity had some huge stinkers like the whore temple, while you still can't do shit with the fort, fuck the goblin in the village, impreg the sheep or anyone in the village other than the wolf. It's pathetic.
 

MogwaiKupo

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Who gives a shit enough to make a fucking review lol

The game is worse in almost every category than 1, featuring inferior NPCs, content and a baffling and stupid focus on ~story and gameplay~ rather than fucking pornography and manages to deliver everything in small, shitty sizes.

Even Mayternity had some huge stinkers like the whore temple, while you still can't do shit with the fort, fuck the goblin in the village, impreg the sheep or anyone in the village other than the wolf. It's pathetic.
Reading your post made me realize something, our hubworld sucks. Savin got inspired by DnD which is why stuff like initiative and skills scaling off of non offensive stats exist. Heck the game even starts with you in a tavern. And usually in longer campaigns you want a hubworld.

The problem is none of the NPC's that aren't in the tavern are 3-dimensional. Ogrish is useless and barely memorable, Kohaku does his job better because of her rotating stock, TF's suck so Ivris gets useless very quickly. Nelia stuff is neat in the early game but falls of real quick once you get unique items. And Leorah was a step in the right direction with her being sexable and giving you a quest but they forgot about her kitty butt real fast (archery didn't even get an ultimate skill). Even with additions like Clementine and Sugo Hawkethorne is still as wide as an ocean but as shallow as a pool.

It's real bad when the village that calls you a barbarian and tried to kill you is more enjoyable just because I at least have a reason to interact with their denizens and learn more about them.
 

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And yet the reviews for this thread give the game 4.5/5 Stars. The discontent between the extreme negativity inside the thread and the praise in the reviews is not the only thing I find hilarious about this place.
Lilith's Throne is an unmitigated disaster of a project, yet the thread has 4/5 stars. Popularity is not an indicator of quality.
 
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Who gives a shit enough to make a fucking review lol

The game is worse in almost every category than 1, featuring inferior NPCs, content and a baffling and stupid focus on ~story and gameplay~ rather than fucking pornography and manages to deliver everything in small, shitty sizes.

Even Mayternity had some huge stinkers like the whore temple, while you still can't do shit with the fort, fuck the goblin in the village, impreg the sheep or anyone in the village other than the wolf. It's pathetic.
You realize that some people like story and gameplay more than the porn? :)
 

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We are never going to be able to fuck her she's going to go back to her husband after her quest is over.
Going to go out on a limb here, but eventually we'll reach an version* we all like and a few of us will find out how to mod the game. Would be really funny if by doing that we ended up creating something even better ha ha.

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The devs deserve praise when good content is added, and criticism when they fuck up.
Maybe for a game pulling in a few grand a month, but their budget is insane. If anything players have more of a reason to be critical especially when they are paying multiple AAA games worth in money over the year. Look at other porn / smut games that are successful off of significantly less money regardless if they are complete or still Patreon funded.

Kallisto said just about everything else I'd have pointed out. However, I will add to Malcowitz response that not only are the writers mediocre, but I'd go as far to even say they were the lowest bidders money wise.
 
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Malcowitz

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Reading your post made me realize something, our hubworld sucks. Savin got inspired by DnD which is why stuff like initiative and skills scaling off of non offensive stats exist. Heck the game even starts with you in a tavern. And usually in longer campaigns you want a hubworld.

The problem is none of the NPC's that aren't in the tavern are 3-dimensional. Ogrish is useless and barely memorable, Kohaku does his job better because of her rotating stock, TF's suck so Ivris gets useless very quickly. Nelia stuff is neat in the early game but falls of real quick once you get unique items. And Leorah was a step in the right direction with her being sexable and giving you a quest but they forgot about her kitty butt real fast (archery didn't even get an ultimate skill). Even with additions like Clementine and Sugo Hawkethorne is still as wide as an ocean but as shallow as a pool.

It's real bad when the village that calls you a barbarian and tried to kill you is more enjoyable just because I at least have a reason to interact with their denizens and learn more about them.
The hub world being lacklustre is simply an indicator of the biggest issue with the game which is that it lacks a coherent central vision that would usually come from a single creator, where Savin seems to simply not be up to snuff as he focuses on the wrong things and the fact it is driven by whim and free content created by others.

If there is a central design document for each part of the game I'd be surprised indeed if it was in-depth or detailed, if it even exists. In the old COC, the Oasis city had shitloads of content but it certainly wasn't very coherent because each character existed independent of each other except where they shared a creator and even then it was mostly just shallow.

I thought Mayternity for instance would be about doing a checklist to add pregnancy to every single NPC there that already had that content or to write it and they literally didn't do any of them, not even the sheep or the goddamn GOBLIN. Or the Merc who even mentions it, jesus. That's one of the big reasons that dumb fucking temple pisses me off; it's optional content I'll never play because I fundamentally hate Cait as a bad NPC (It's because the point of games is we have fun, not that fake NPCs have fun to be brief but there's more to it)

I would like to point out especially how useless transformations are because of how central they were to pretty much every NPC that mattered in OG COC: you could give or remove dicks, make them have bigger tits or change them into less furry types, you could have them lactate and so on. A lot of it also connected with the corrupt paths, giving you an actual reason to do it, like on the farm.

Now, despite the alchemy system initially being fairly deep and good it leads to nothing interesting. I can't give my elf-sissy an asspussy/nipplepussies and breed them royal heirs that way; I can't de-dick another character or whatever. TBH, I feel like a real area for actual improvement would be a better alchemy thing, adding scenes, characters and dare I even say, story, around it. (Like for instance someone trying to catch imps and trying to transform them or even force souls into them sounds interesting)
You realize that some people like story and gameplay more than the porn? :)
When I entered the White City I was there to get my big-titty/booty sissy slut a big chair, follow my tsundere waifu demoness that I wanna redeem and possibly breed a bunch of hot fucking elves while quite possibly fucking

What each of those ideas had in common is that they connected to the core fucking conceit of a fucking porn game which is delivering sexual content to the player. I am not playing a fucking RPG. I am not playing a fucking a fucking story driven game. I am playing a mother fucking porn game and anything that does not lead to lust is worthless fucking shit distracting from the whole point of the enterprise. If the story isn't about leading to porn it should be the porn. The gameplay should be finding more ways to get you porn or test what kind of porn you like.

It should not be some of the most meaningless drivel I have ever wasted my seconds skimming before rapidly skipping. I can tell you that I don't know the smallest shit about whatever god garbage the game featured because I DO NOT CARE. Unless I am fucking said god IT LITERALLY DOESNT MATTER. What I got was a bunch of boring garbage happening AROUND ME, that I did nothing about or for and then I get cucked by the villain out of an incest threesome


Good game design is about understanding what lies at the center of a game and then tying everything else to that center. You can tell the people making this aren't pros because they constantly deviate from this. The game does not need a detailed story except as a device to deliver the porn. The game does not need a complex RPG system because I'm not here to make sick combos or think of clever strategies: I'm there to play the game one handed. (A UI element they actually do implement fairly well and is the only thing I think they have improved over OG COC, which is commendable.)

Bad game design is constantly adding shit that literally drags you away from and off of the core conceit. If we use the aforementioned roleplaying games as an example, it would be extremely pathetic to be playing one where the GM keeps going on about their detailed backstory and their incredibly cool GM-Character that's in the game because the people are there to engage in a collaborative storytelling experience, not wargame or listen to long fucking monologues from a nerd opposite them.

I just want to transform people, get them pregnant and have a harem. And read interesting erotic content that has other interesting fetishes. Not waste my mental space on some bottom tier fantasy theology or reading about some dumb fox people or bull people
 

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Was writing for free, he has been an official member of the dev team staff for a couple of months now.
Oh? That's good news then. I hate his writing but if Savin values it enough to put so much of it in the game then he deserves to be compensated for his work.
 

MogwaiKupo

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They way I hear it, he still requested not to get paid. The dude wants to work for free.
So he's either in it for the art and believes he shouldn't have to be paid to be a writer. Which I believe was a reason one of the writers didn't take commissions, they didn't want commissioners dictating what they can and can't write.
Or pessimistically, he just doesn't want anyone telling him no when he writes. Remember the Kinu-sire situation, I believe Tobs was willing to die on that hill regarding never changing it, but that was coincidentally around the time he became a paid writer.
 

MogwaiKupo

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So are the glaciers going to be in purgatory for a while because of Khor’minos or are they going to multi-task and work on both the main story and New New Texas. Gweyr quest implies the latter but Tobs is the hardest worker (or most of his stuff just seems to get coded in) on the team, so I don't hold him for the bar of how things are going to operate.
I don't entirely trust them with the latter option, but the former would show incompetence because they could have moved the glaciers under Khor'minos. The latest patch doesn't speak too highly if they are trying to multi-task though.
 

enumate

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Considering Tobs writes for free, you may be onto something here.
Oh god.... he's an unpaid writer... please tell me you're joking. The game is pulling in 10s of thousands a month.

I've met guys like tobs in college where they bugger out of as much critique under the guise of creative freedom. [insert tobs complaint]. Well at least Savin is getting his money's worth out of him ha ha.
 

enumate

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The hub world being lacklustre is simply an indicator of the biggest issue with the game which is that it lacks a coherent central vision that would usually come from a single creator, where Savin seems to simply not be up to snuff as he focuses on the wrong things and the fact it is driven by whim and free content created by others.

If there is a central design document for each part of the game I'd be surprised indeed if it was in-depth or detailed, if it even exists. In the old COC, the Oasis city had shitloads of content but it certainly wasn't very coherent because each character existed independent of each other except where they shared a creator and even then it was mostly just shallow.
This. Anyone who has the smallest background in project management, teams or a general understanding of how to get a project rolling would see this. When I first booted the game during the sub 0.3.2x nearly a year ago I thought the hub would be fleshed out a lot more than it is.

I legitimately thought the space would become a lot more lively given the space, but it's pretty disappointing that everything is crammed into the tavern. Like if stardew valley had 3x the NPCS and the tavern was half the size.
 
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as much as there is to criticize in a coherent narrative kinda sense, i feel like from story string to story string, it plays fairly well and the storys arent bad at all.

And then theres the observer, who legit writes the best content for this game bar none, i wouldnt be surprised if he turns out to be an alter ego of an proffesional author
 
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