Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[JTakiyaa]

Here I go -https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LGbfCS16HujJSfxS4NLDYDhl7F5OMhdY77d3Dkq-ZPA/edit#
The major update since last I was here is "Teasing" scene and all of its variations.It has 3 divergence, but because of that it does lack much parser use. Still it is something that I plan to add to final product when I begin my editing process. Once again, comments and criticism is welcomed.

Now, onto the horse lady.

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That level 2 encounter in the Harvest Valley. Based on Anons inspirations and great art done

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So here is the deal. I plan one of 2 expansions. A pure lovers route (pregnancy and children (max 3) included) and corrupt route (she your horse slave and baby factory).

So here is the deal.
Pure route- Like basically half of the women in this game, she wants kids. But she is looking for right stud/bearer to make have one. But she is to stubborn to admit when she sees one. That one being you. So it is up to you to ask her, and she will only answer if you are high enough lvl (maybe 4) and finished centaur quest. She will basically say what I said, she wants kids, but like a stubborn wine aunt, she is not sure if you are the right one to settle down with her. Now, you can agree to be her stud/sier, which will lead to her becoming softer towards you. Or you just telling her to fuck off ( maybe removing her from random encounters).

The limited children thing is there to allow me to make your children interaction more unique, your and her pregnancy speech more special and honestly, competing with Kiyoko and Brienne for the title of breeding machine is just a loosing battle. Now, this is not guaranteed, since I understand that a lot of people prefer this continuous pregnancy thing, but I am open to reconsider.

Corrupt route is basically Sera from Trials of tainted space.

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You will enslave her, take her to wayfort, and break her there into an obedient breeding sow/stud. And like Sera, I do not want to make it anything to deep from mind breaking standpoint. 3-4 teasing scenes culminating in you getting bread by her/breeding her. Not many children interaction considering she is your slave. And slaves are just there to please you.
There will be a lot of horse play. Think what Brienne does with her constant Moos but more degrading. You can either order her to act like a horse or act like a fully sentient two legged one.

Waspboy looks good so far for my taste. Prostate milking is hot. Seeing a submissive boy desperate for release is my cup of tea.

The idea for the marefolk shaman is good too. Especially the children interaction part you mentioned. Maybe some players finally have their desire to interact with their kids in a more player friendly way can finally be fulfilled or close to it. Its good to ask them for their opinion on what sorts of interaction they want and you can pick some of the popular ones to reduce the workload instead of every single options you can think of. 2 or 3 is fine. Having the both path is especially welcomed since I would love to go for the corrupt route and teach the smug horsey her place.

My suggestion on the pure route is to have few special named children for interaction and the other unnamed appear briefly or in the background so you could avoid limiting my balls emptying in her womb. Just a suggestion. Also does corrupt route have child interaction?

 

[MogwaiKupo]

I'm pretty alright, bro. The gayme is still shit, and here's reason #1018071987 why: I wanna fuck Bienne's family, but I gotta get their cOnSeNt first, like I'm some kind of gimp.

In the game's defense, raping Brint/Brienne's mother and little sister is most likely the one thing that would possibly them off. Any other game and this decision would make them leave the from the permanently but this is coc2, Savin implied party members leaving would be a thing, but that could have entirely been an early development thing.

 

[throbzombie]

In the game's defense, raping Brint/Brienne's mother and little sister is most likely the one thing that would possibly them off. Any other game and this decision would make them leave the from the permanently but this is coc2, Savin implied party members leaving would be a thing, but that could have entirely been an early development thing.

You need consequences to make your actions meaningful, of course. Just give me the option, is all I'm saying.

 

[Daddums]

You are so right he called me salty for hating nakano

Nakano is downright offensive... and I'm not even Japanese! He reminds me of how Hollywood would write the most stereotypical character they could come up with just to point out that guy is Japanese. I wonder if Tobs ever wrote an Italian inspired character would they be a mob boss?

He's also incredibly inconsistent with his logic regarding their entire way of life. Being a consort grants us political power and status, which should be respected even if the MC is a "barbarian". Empress Michiko went through similar shit since she was a commoner, but even then it was mostly by her mother-in-law and people were still expected to show respect to her otherwise. And given how relaxed the colony is it sort of matches how the end of Imperial Japan was coming about, which coincides with the attitude of the time Michiko married into the royal family.

The MC is not a nobody - unlike Roxas - even if the MC is a "savage". The MC holds prestige and should be afforded esteem accordingly.

In the game's defense, raping Brint/Brienne's mother and little sister is most likely the one thing that would possibly them off. Any other game and this decision would make them leave the from the permanently but this is coc2, Savin implied party members leaving would be a thing, but that could have entirely been an early development thing.

Honestly, with the way Brienne has been enchanted from that armor - at least I think that's why they're so obsessed - it'd probably lead to a bad end where the Champion gets captured and restrained as the stud of the family as punishment. Brienne likely wouldn't let the Champion go, but wouldn't let that shit slide either. I feel like that'd be the final crack to break her into yandere mode and she just turns you into a sex toy for the rest of your life. She gets to keep you and you don't get to hurt anyone anymore.

At least her obsession leads me to believe that would end up being the case. Plus porn logic.

 

[Aileh200]

Nakano is downright offensive... and I'm not even Japanese!

I doubt Tobs is even Japanese.

 

[Daddums]

I doubt Tobs is even Japanese.

I think he referred to himself as a "Chinaman", which would explain everything to be honest.

Of course that could easily have been a Discord joke or something, I dunno.

 

[throbzombie]

I doubt Tobs is even Japanese.

I heard he was from Hong Kong.

 

[RenH]

Nakano is downright offensive... and I'm not even Japanese! He reminds me of how Hollywood would write the most stereotypical character they could come up with just to point out that guy is Japanese. I wonder if Tobs ever wrote an Italian inspired character would they be a mob boss?

He's also incredibly inconsistent with his logic regarding their entire way of life. Being a consort grants us political power and status, which should be respected even if the MC is a "barbarian". Empress Michiko went through similar shit since she was a commoner, but even then it was mostly by her mother-in-law and people were still expected to show respect to her otherwise. And given how relaxed the colony is it sort of matches how the end of Imperial Japan was coming about, which coincides with the attitude of the time Michiko married into the royal family.

The MC is not a nobody - unlike Roxas - even if the MC is a "savage". The MC holds prestige and should be afforded esteem accordingly.

As a person who actually majors in Pol/IR with a specialisation towards East Asia, thank you! It's not just limited to Nakano either since you could see elements of this throughout Tobs' kitsune 'culture'. I think it is best described by some people here who have said that it is essentially Imperial Japan with Feudal-era tech and post-Meiji-era ideology.

 

[j_ericson]

Tobs is probably the most blatant example of favoritism I've seen in a good while. The guy made his weeb race and just threw shit at the wall to see what sticks while Savin was too afraid of losing him to tell him to stop ruining his wallpaper.

The kitsune got invaded, but they won because the godswar happened the same day and the invaders had their supply lines cut.
The war raged on and tore the world asunder, but they were fine because they don't have souls and lived on an island (disregard them having their asses handed to them by the belharans who came by sea).
They don't have souls, but it's fine because they have a really big one that they tap into so they don't have any of the emotional flaws that demons do.
They have to feed off of people's souls, but it's fine because rape is A-OK.
They have magitech, but it's fine because it's plant based.
Their magic and technology is centuries ahead of the entire world and even the greatest mages of the greatest kingdom to have ever existed that also kicked their ass without issue.
They have portable waygates that they can plop down anywhere they wish, effectively eradicating the need for supply lines and giving them the ability to wage global war from the comfort of their own territory. Also they are password protected so only they can use it, because having any sort of weakness is so unkitsune like.
They have the ability and mentality to conquer the whole world, but it's fine because they can't take anything without giving back something of equal value (disregard every single fucking time they do that, like with miko stealing from evergreen or the old country annexing nekomata land)

The guy should really consider taking his head out of his ass and getting a breath of fresh air every once in a while.

He also once criticized Berry because of the way people depicted him when they made fanart of him, while the fanart of Kiyoko was always in setting and in character for her. The folks on discord had the sense to debate him on that atleast. I'm not sure on this but I think it was him who wrote the quin/berry threesome where Berry admits he loves anal. Great integrity right there going behind the back of the guy struggling with his mental health. He also openly trashes how Hugs wrote that notChina as a land of pacifists and plans to completely rewrite his beloved homeland instead of possibly going deeper and justifying it as some form of mystic serenity that emanates from the land that would explain why no one has conquered it yet. But no, Tobs, please do as you wish and completely rewrite shit you don't like. The kitsune ARE justified in everything they are and do and having another special kingdom would totally ruin THE WHOLE OF SAVARRA!

To continue this rant the guy is also sleazy af.
He said that there would be two ways of dealing with the kitsune in the Frostwoods. If you took the amulet it would be friendly, and if not you would be able to side with Taoth. But poor Tobs foresaw his own impartialness and knew that he could not write something that would hurt his poor darlings so he generously offered anyone else who wanted to write the side of purely evil, irredeemable child murderers. Such was his regard for others' skill that he knew there would be someone who could match him on pace and quality of work that the two storylines could progress evenly.
If you believe any of that shit go and slap yourself silly.
Tobs intentionally does shit that he knows won't work and then pretends it was an honest mistake while his option remains the only instance in the game. He wrote the bento boxes that give well fed and the willpower boon and when players asked for that for other stats he just went "Oh, well. That was a mistake and we learned from it so no one else do that thing." Then there's the revive belt which he justifies by the strength of the other marriage items like the mare's ring and everblossom hood and hides the fact that his item was the reason for the other two being so powerful.

Somehow Savin still trusts him enough to not proff read his content to the point that he wasn't even aware of what the belt did until A FEW FUCKING MONTHS AGO. Which is also when he learned that Tobs wrote wand weapons, something Savin prohibitted, because Skow wrote the metal wand, which Savin also didn't know about. And so was born the item that made a complete farse of the Kasyrra fight in the winter city. He also justifies the kitsune item bloat by saying that it's not his fault that the other writers are so slow. Well, excuse me mr Hiyenne Mytee, but whose choice is it to write a dozen culturally restricted power creep items?

There is also the time he made it so if you didn't have a good enough presence check you straight up failed to convince the ghost that he was dead which is conflict with the FUCKING DESIGN DOC. I tried to raise that one on their forums but the echo was too strong and the cave collapsed atop me.

And he disregarded common sense in order to write Gweyr's backstory as the most nonsensical thing ever put on paper. But that's fine because WOLF MOM STRONK!

That's it for my rant. I am physically tired at this point. Enjoy your day everyone.

 

[RenH]

Tobs is probably the most blatant example of favoritism I've seen in a good while. The guy made his weeb race and just threw shit at the wall to see what sticks while Savin was too afraid of losing him to tell him to stop ruining his wallpaper.

The kitsune got invaded, but they won because the godswar happened the same day and the invaders had their supply lines cut.
The war raged on and tore the world asunder, but they were fine because they don't have souls and lived on an island (disregard them having their asses handed to them by the belharans who came by sea).
They don't have souls, but it's fine because they have a really big one that they tap into so they don't have any of the emotional flaws that demons do.
They have to feed off of people's souls, but it's fine because rape is A-OK.
They have magitech, but it's fine because it's plant based.
Their magic and technology is centuries ahead of the entire world and even the greatest mages of the greatest kingdom to have ever existed that also kicked their ass without issue.
They have portable waygates that they can plop down anywhere they wish, effectively eradicating the need for supply lines and giving them the ability to wage global war from the comfort of their own territory. Also they are password protected so only they can use it, because having any sort of weakness is so unkitsune like.
They have the ability and mentality to conquer the whole world, but it's fine because they can't take anything without giving back something of equal value (disregard every single fucking time they do that, like with miko stealing from evergreen or the old country annexing nekomata land)

The guy should really consider taking his head out of his ass and getting a breath of fresh air every once in a while.

He also once criticized Berry because of the way people depicted him when they made fanart of him, while the fanart of Kiyoko was always in setting and in character for her. The folks on discord had the sense to debate him on that atleast. I'm not sure on this but I think it was him who wrote the quin/berry threesome where Berry admits he loves anal. Great integrity right there going behind the back of the guy struggling with his mental health. He also openly trashes how Hugs wrote that notChina as a land of pacifists and plans to completely rewrite his beloved homeland instead of possibly going deeper and justifying it as some form of mystic serenity that emanates from the land that would explain why no one has conquered it yet. But no, Tobs, please do as you wish and completely rewrite shit you don't like. The kitsune ARE justified in everything they are and do and having another special kingdom would totally ruin THE WHOLE OF SAVARRA!

To continue this rant the guy is also sleazy af.
He said that there would be two ways of dealing with the kitsune in the Frostwoods. If you took the amulet it would be friendly, and if not you would be able to side with Taoth. But poor Tobs foresaw his own impartialness and knew that he could not write something that would hurt his poor darlings so he generously offered anyone else who wanted to write the side of purely evil, irredeemable child murderers. Such was his regard for others' skill that he knew there would be someone who could match him on pace and quality of work that the two storylines could progress evenly.
If you believe any of that shit go and slap yourself silly.
Tobs intentionally does shit that he knows won't work and then pretends it was an honest mistake while his option remains the only instance in the game. He wrote the bento boxes that give well fed and the willpower boon and when players asked for that for other stats he just went "Oh, well. That was a mistake and we learned from it so no one else do that thing." Then there's the revive belt which he justifies by the strength of the other marriage items like the mare's ring and everblossom hood and hides the fact that his item was the reason for the other two being so powerful.

Somehow Savin still trusts him enough to not proff read his content to the point that he wasn't even aware of what the belt did until A FEW FUCKING MONTHS AGO. Which is also when he learned that Tobs wrote wand weapons, something Savin prohibitted, because Skow wrote the metal wand, which Savin also didn't know about. And so was born the item that made a complete farse of the Kasyrra fight in the winter city. He also justifies the kitsune item bloat by saying that it's not his fault that the other writers are so slow. Well, excuse me mr Hiyenne Mytee, but whose choice is it to write a dozen culturally restricted power creep items?

There is also the time he made it so if you didn't have a good enough presence check you straight up failed to convince the ghost that he was dead which is conflict with the FUCKING DESIGN DOC. I tried to raise that one on their forums but the echo was too strong and the cave collapsed atop me.

And he disregarded common sense in order to write Gweyr's backstory as the most nonsensical thing ever put on paper. But that's fine because WOLF MOM STRONK!

That's it for my rant. I am physically tired at this point. Enjoy your day everyone.

Oh, wow...

I mean, Tobs always came off as the Mr Donut Steele based off of his content alone and gleaning off what people have already said here in the thread. If these are true--and I am inclined believe that they are if the evidence of writer behavior here is anything to go by--isn't this the kind of thing that led to the original CoC to be left dead in the water to begin with? A lot of writer disagreements plus constant arguing with fans? I don't imagine most of the writing staff enjoy this very much either, so it might be a matter of time before the powder keg is lit.

What the fuck is Savin and anyone on the CoC2 dev team doing?

 

[garand_m12]

Anyone got a save where you can visit kasyrra area via the waystones? (the portal above foothills waystone)

 

[Daddums]

And he disregarded common sense in order to write Gweyr's backstory as the most nonsensical thing ever put on paper. But that's fine because WOLF MOM STRONK!

Oh, I had actually forgotten all that bullshit cringe with Gweyr and her TOTALLY BADASS KICKASS BACKSTORY. Gonna spoiler mark it because someone, somewhere might actually want to see how bad it is unspoiled.

I mean, fuck, she had Tollus right there... she had his fucking hand in hers and crushing it, no way in fucking hell could he run away unless she let go. She had him dead to rights to finish him immediately and maybe disillusion those kids to stop their bullshit, but nah, let the brainwasher go and kill all the children anyways.

And the worst you can call her is a "necessary evil". No, she's just evil. She loved the fight more than doing anything right. She's like a sadistic version of Goku. Also so much fucking Urta energy in that shit, holy crap. Then again, all of their characters are Urta tier Mary Sues.

There's maybe like three good writers in that entire game, well as good as smut can be written, one just quit for health reasons and I actually liked what they were doing. It was cute and wholesome. This fucking game is cursed.

What the fuck is Savin and anyone on the CoC2 dev team doing?

Picking their noses while counting money.

Big number create big ego.

 

[j_ericson]

BIG RANT

To add to the list.

The devs are adamant that there is no rape or ntr in the game but then you have shit like.

• Marefolk shaman rapes your companion while you are forced to watch and feel it, written by tobs
• Demontaur brutally rapes Cait while you are forced to watch, written by tobs
• The hornets rape and egg Cait while you are forced to watch, written by tobs
• The hobgoblins brutalize and rape Brint and Brienne despite wsan stating that Brienne should not be involved with any dicked npc and even denying Savin from writing a scene with Arona, written by tobs

There are also cases where savin and bubble do this but tobs is the most egregious case by far. And as much as it hurts so say bubble at least has the decency to give you the option to not watch it happen while tobs makes a point of the enemy forcing you to look at it.


He has zero sense of game balance to the point of thinking that writing a single encounter that is immune to the current meta damage type is good enemy design. He also openly mocks people who complain that disarm or silence completely shut down their builds and and makes attempts at comedy with shit like "Oh no! My monoculture is failing! Who could've foreseen this?"

Then people were complaining about Whisper one shotting them before they were able to get a turn in and his response was "Get a turn in dumbass" and when it was revealed that crits did way more damage than they should and that Whisper was indeed OP, he didn't even bother to apologize to the people he made fun of.

There was a hilarious moment on discord where balak made a chonky post detailing all the things wrong with Kiyoko and how she was way too strong with too few weaknesses and all tobs had to say was "well I don't doubt she is strong, even jax says so". Another time balak asked savin why he made his comps so weak in the stat department and, I am 99% sure this was a jab at tobs, he said that "doesn't make his characters OP just to feel special". Also Kiyoko's weapon scales off of willpower so whether she gets silenced or disarmed her damage output is unaffected. But yes, Tobs, people should just stop complaining about unfun game mechanics and pick up your precious companion who covers every single niche.


He also loves to speak directly to the player. Not the character, but the person playing the game. His content is overflowing with 'what did you expect', 'you asked for this' and other stuff denying any responsibility for what is currently happening and pinning it all on the player because they skimmed his great walls of text or missed some overly cryptic bullshit.


Don't even get me started on the kinu content. That whole thing is a single straight line from start to finish and it goes like this.
Champ is bad parent who abandoned their kid and wife for 10 years and champ accepts that by apologizing for it -> Kinu gets engaged someone and you learn about it from anyone who isn't your family because you're a gaijin and champ is super angry about it -> family home gets raided and burned and Kinu saves the day, champ is super angry about not being involved -> it happens again and champ is super angry about not being involved -> to be continued and champ is super angry about not being involved

So it's princess maker but tobs really hated the fact that in those games you could choose how to deal with the psychos after your daughter with the options including doing it yourself. But the problem is that in princess maker the princess can FAIL when you decide to toss her to the wolves and tell her to fend for herself. Here that is not the case and Kinu's success is guaranteed because Champ's kids can't come to any permanent harm. The only emotional impact comes from tobs intentionally choosing to remove Champ from the content and not anything that actually happens in the story. Kinu will survive, everyone will survive, Taoth will be dealt with by yout daughter who, despite the fact that your kids get nothing from you, got your amazing smarts and champ will be go from angry to happy that their daughter killed a god.

On the forums he justified his decision to make Kinu deal with it herself by saying that he is playing a DnD game as a princess who got sent far away to learn on her own and is super grateful about it. Can't make this shit up.

EDIT~
How could I forget that he also wrote in her tailfuck scene that Cait had sex with clients back at the temple before she left. You know, she left the temple with her dad and sister. On her eighteenth birthday, when she stopped being a minor. Some guy raised that on the forums and the people there sounded like they defended that shit. Yet another thing you can't make up. Tobs is such a stand up guy and model human being.

 

[Quintilus]

You need consequences to make your actions meaningful, of course.

"FUCKING ASSHOLE!!1111111111111111111111111oneoneoneelven YOU RAPED ME!111111111111
NOW RAPE ME AGAIN!111111111 YOU FORCED ME TO DO THIS BECAUSE.....well, my writer is a motherfucking motherfucker...and also furry"

 

[WazaQQXOXO]

Nakano is downright offensive... and I'm not even Japanese!

Nakano is more than being downright offensive, he's the epitome of bad char design.

The first reaction I had when I realised that Hime-Kinu willingly got engaged to that mong was:

 

[M0nte]

The hobgoblins brutalize and rape Brint and Brienne despite wsan stating that Brienne should not be involved with any dicked npc and even denying Savin from writing a scene with Arona, written by tobs

I feel like Wsan meant willingly since getting raped is not really her agreeing to it. Brienne still gets fucked in bad ends and in non companion exclusive losse scenes.

 

[Quintilus]

Can be bought from Garth for 1000 EC each.

Thats too low price IMO. I, without any grind, already have..lemme check my android device...fuck, why are you loading for so long, you stupid game?? Shadows over a raiding legend have lower startup time!!!! My tablet have 4 gigs of ram and cpu, that makes my old PC with pentium 4 blush, you little.... okay 187720 money. I could buy everyone in frost marches, even earth, even sky, even Allah and his prophet Muhammad Kashyre herself and STILL have fuckton of money for a life full of debauchery.

 

[Aileh200]

You know, I'm wondering if Tobs would even listen to our criticisms or shut it all down if he was here.

 

[Raf-Raf]

It'll probably be like this:

*Blocking users intensifies*

 

[RenH]

The devs are adamant that there is no rape or ntr in the game but then you have shit like.

• Marefolk shaman rapes your companion while you are forced to watch and feel it, written by tobs
• Demontaur brutally rapes Cait while you are forced to watch, written by tobs
• The hornets rape and egg Cait while you are forced to watch, written by tobs
• The hobgoblins brutalize and rape Brint and Brienne despite wsan stating that Brienne should not be involved with any dicked npc and even denying Savin from writing a scene with Arona, written by tobs

I'd like to also add on 'Drider stuffs eggs into Cait's asshole' aka the one place she wanted to desperately keep her virginity of in canon. But yeah, no rape here since Cait's part of the catboi religion and she's meant to enjoy it and it's apparently not rape if the victim ends up enjoying it. Thanks, Tobs. While I'm at it, let's not forget the fact that you can sexually assault a hibernating snake girl in the Frostwoods and have your minotaur bro join in. Again, this is okay because she likes it, apparently.

"Oh no! My monoculture is failing! Who could've foreseen this?"

If he had any self-awareness, this would've been a hilarious joke about his beloved nippon steel kitsunes. But he isn't and us peons have to live with the fact that our valiant heroes tragically forget that punching and kicking are valid combat moves.

Champ is bad parent who abandoned their kid and wife for 10 years and champ accepts that by apologizing for it -> Kinu gets engaged someone and you learn about it from anyone who isn't your family because you're a gaijin and champ is super angry about it -> family home gets raided and burned and Kinu saves the day, champ is super angry about not being involved -> it happens again and champ is super angry about not being involved -> to be continued and champ is super angry about not being involved

And here I thought the Kinu stuff couldn't get any dumber. So, let's get this straight: Kinu, who is well-aware of the time dilation between the Amulet spirit realm and the real world and this is something that Kiyoko and Champ make mention of to Kinu, ends up being fatherless for a decade and Champ has to apologise for it despite this fact being known to practically everyone that matters? And don't even get me started on the gaijin thing. I'll just say that it's pretty stupid that the kitsune still treat you like a filthy outsider eventhough you've brought back their matron and also be so close to their God that you legit give up your soul to him to undergo a race reassignment procedure.

On the forums he justified his decision to make Kinu deal with it herself by saying that he is playing a DnD game as a princess who got sent far away to learn on her own and is super grateful about it. Can't make this shit up.

.....please let this be some high-tier satire that I'm too stupid to comprehend. He better be the DM of that DnD game since the only way I'm even buying the fact that he's playing a princess that can do everything on her own is that it's either an NPC, DM PC or this princess is a level 30 halfling rogue who's also multiclassed into Fighter for Extra Attack and Action Surge, as well as having the benefit of loaded dice and has the Boon of the Death Bringer for extra edge.

Tobs is such a stand up guy and model human being.

Given everything that's been said on this thread, yeah, he sounds like the perfect guy to be my wife's boyfriend.