Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.14] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

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WazaQQXOXO said:
One of the reasons people dislike Savin is the way he is managing the whole COC II project: see the whole TOBS debacle, Bubblelord OC (Nakano Takahiro, the mercenary leader, Quintilius), the Patreon milking, the snail writing pace, his attitude.

On top of that, people do not like the way he's trying to force his cheating / cuckolding fetish on some OC:
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Renh's point was that, in the end, the majority of the people you face in this game are quick to jump the gun and rape (and potentially enslave) your defeated party. That includes the orcs, the minotaurs, the mercenaries, the hobgoblins, Tollus' goons and the demons.

The coming of Kasyrra is just adding one more evil in the cesspool that is COCII setting.
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Very informative screenshot, I'm starting to understand the issue. Thank you.
 
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And no, I didn't realise that questioning of yours was a joke. It's really good, it gets much funnier every time you say it.
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Eh, that's alright. Humor is subjective enough as is and the medium of text makes it rather difficult to deliver the nuance of sarcasm that a verbal joke would have. No harm, no foul. Even the kitsune thing isn't necessarily meant to highlight them as a threat, but more as a backdrop with which to compare with the demons to. Even if we might agree to disagree on how corruption is presented in game, the way Tobs has written and described the kitsune really make them seem more like the demons' evolutionarily more successful cousins.

On the point of gameplay/story separation, I don't necessarily take issue with it but rather, given the first game's implementation of it and the expectations of this game, it really should develop the corruption aspect a lot more. I don't and won't expect the writers to do this seeing as how Savin and co. have made it clear that they do not like writing corruption content. Also, if your rationalisation is actually included as part of the lore, this thread would be having less things to complain about. Alas, this isn't the case so it's just headcanon, sadly.
 
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Daddums said:
I'd even argue Kasyrra is less evil because she has no moral quandaries about what she does. She physically cannot.
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I don't think that's true, she's not an animal, she's not some elemental spirit born of emotions like demons in some setting are. She's not even a "real" demon, the original Mareth demons were debauched mages who mutated themselves. We don't call DnD demons less evil just because they're bound to their natures, and even they can go against it. Kasyrra knows she's evil and delights in it, and we know she can control herself if she chooses to.
 
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I don't think that's true, she's not an animal, she's not some elemental spirit born of emotions like demons in some setting are. She's not even a "real" demon, the original Mareth demons were debauched mages who mutated themselves. We don't call DnD demons less evil just because they're bound to their natures, and even they can go against it. Kasyrra knows she's evil and delights in it, and we know she can control herself if she chooses to.
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Think of it more like that episode of Supernatural where people without souls just degrade into amoral people. They can't feel anything, they can put on airs about control, but deep down it's to feel a deeper need and that same need is caused by lacking any soul. Their lack of soul gives way to nature. It's not like all the other people who do have souls and yet subject others to cruelty or rape needlessly, like Tobs.

Also, until I see Kasyrra grooming kids into sex slaves instead of just pumping out imps for her army... I'm gonna say Mallach is a tad more evil. Just a skosh.
 
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RenH said:
I bring this up since you specifically bring up how corruption makes people being okay with raping others. If most of the mobs that are not corrupted rape you anyway, the only real difference corruption makes is simply how you look. I understand that the lore makes it very clear what Kas' intentions are and what corruption does to a person. But, to me, all of that falls apart when what I see and experience in game differs heavily from what the game wants me to believe.

Lastly, in case you haven't caught on by now, questioning whether demons are bad are a joke. But is Kas really the villain?
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You say it in jest but lets be real the gods just got to Savarra first all the issues issues that Kas brings they brought first and we really don't see what they're doing when they're ignoring the demon threat they probably still eat souls and have such easy and willing access now that they are picky and let/help folk fatten up in the form of champions. Nareva might be the only one who stopped eating and tried to control herself all the others though. Lumia is pulling an Alucard just sticking around battlefields with her followers during their conquests Keros is taking a page out of the kitsune book and since his people don't have souls preys on other races souls. Mallach set up a farm to breed the souls just the way he likes them because as you said pretty much everyone is fine with raping and pillaging and the gods have either helped with the pillaging or turn a blind eye after all, the orcs are still doing what they do in peace.

While I have no doubt savin and co will still be lazy and having a bit of the story be a nice even grey would be lovely it doesn't directly involve cucking so fat chance corruption ever really being a major part of the story.
 
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While I have no doubt savin and co will still be lazy and having a bit of the story be a nice even grey would be lovely it doesn't directly involve cucking so fat chance corruption ever really being a major part of the story.
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He'd much rather cuck the player out of a good story as opposed to actually making use of this goldmine of potential that's already there is their own lore.
 
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I would give him a rather small amount of money if he did this but as you said cucking is more important than a decent story.
 
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Think of it more like that episode of Supernatural where people without souls just degrade into amoral people. They can't feel anything, they can put on airs about control, but deep down it's to feel a deeper need and that same need is caused by lacking any soul. Their lack of soul gives way to nature. It's not like all the other people who do have souls and yet subject others to cruelty or rape needlessly, like Tobs.

Also, until I see Kasyrra grooming kids into sex slaves instead of just pumping out imps for her army... I'm gonna say Mallach is a tad more evil. Just a skosh.
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As fuckin gross as the Mallach temple modus operandi is... what do you think Kasyrra and her demons would do to this world's kids once everyone was a completely amoral sex-crazed degenerate? Respect the age of consent?
 
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As fuckin gross as the Mallach temple modus operandi is... what do you think Kasyrra and her demons would do to this world's kids once everyone was a completely amoral sex-crazed degenerate? Respect the age of consent?
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She hasn't yet and nothing has stopped her from doing what she wanted before. :whistle:
 
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qorl55 said:
Very informative screenshot, I'm starting to understand the issue. Thank you.
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Nae worries, happy to help.

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I'm so glad I've no idea which scene you're talking about. Ignorance is bliss sometimes.
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If Brienne is in your party, do not LOSE to the hobgoblins. The depiction is brutal.

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There is no discipline with them, just spite and laziness. They don't want to have to rewrite new companions in for others to know about or interact with retroactively, but honestly... I'd rather the companions not interact at all given how schizophrenic it all comes off as. None of them really know how to write in persona of characters not their own nor do they care to.
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If a team lead do not behave the way they are supposed to, the ship will go straight to hell. The current content of the game doesn't give the feeling that coherent thoughts are being put into the development: TOBS is going full-LARP, Winter city has been abandoned as soon the raid concluded, the agricultural land content is off , KM at its release was a massive joke.
 
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0.4.20 Patch Notes:

  • You can now enter the city of Khor’minos proper, once you’ve finished Winter City and spoken with Calise in the Outskirts. You’ll either be escorted in by a certain martial mare, or else find your own way in. Once again, this is the first patch of many to begin filling out a hell of a lot of city content.
  • If you’ve finished Rina’s dating arc one way or another, you can move on to Cassia.
  • New busts for the milking stall girls, by Moira.
  • Misc. bugfixes.
 
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