Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.15] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

[A Burning Conscience]

Lol that's some "Small on Top" level of storytelling, except straight.

I think my summary covered all the major talking points. If not, I blame how forgettable it was.
It's the same energy as the really early harvest valley stuff that doesn't fit the game anymore. They're not bad... but they felt unneeded given how out of the way they are and most of their content is covered by other NPC's who could use the dust cleaning off. That said, I don't know what the "Becoming a Valkyrie" content is like, I've got one old female save that I just stopped progressing with because there was so little content, maybe Lumia is a better god than Keros and her scenes are worth it?

EDIT: Oh I also remembered having unlocked the option to breed the winged woman that her dialogue didn't even change for the sex scene, not even a throwaway joke about "Taking her in missionary for the sole purpose of procreation" like you got in CoC for Shouldra in silly mode. Really hard to feel invested when it seemed like the writers weren't either.

Actually, this is going to sound really hateful but I do not intend it as such, I've just dipped in to the Thrud (muscle sub) content again to make sure I'm not being unfair, and it really makes me think of the AI storytellers I play around with. Maybe that's why it doesn't work for me, because it doesn't read different to what I'm getting a lot of already. It reads like heavily curated AI content; prompt, AI takes it a little weird, does its best, conclusion, then user comes in and makes it all flow. For instance:

On approach, Halima sighs with relief and walks over to you. "Hey, Champion. How are you?"
"You know. Living the dream." You shrug amiably. "Thanks for asking. What about you — what's wrong? Where's Annika?"
"It's Annika. She's, um..."
"She's not having a good day." Thrud, the enormous half-jotun warmaiden you met earlier, moves into view. Her slightly slumped shoulders and pensive frown speak volumes about the nature of that not-good-day Annika's having. "I don't know how that meeting you were holding went, but —"

She initiates, but then you need to prompt what's wrong, she repeats it's about Annika ignoring your prompt, a third character gets injected out of no-where and you get a reminder about them despite previous interactions. It's a lot of wasted space.

 

[Ssato243]

dmmm the game if a fucked up

 

[Wrynn13]

I haven't done anything with the valkyries after saving Lumia, how's the writing for them?

The TF itself is a huge let down, especially compared to Keros. Maybe it's just because my character is a wyld elf with dove wings as her mark but literally the only thing that changed was my corruption icon. Wooo. The writing is okay, not great, not bad, just okay. Sunstrike is nice, especially as a at will. when I do get the lightsaber that with the gladius and sunstrike is going to be a ton of holy damage. I need to remember where I learned that holy strike(?) spell before cause that would make it even better. The quest with Lumia wasn't bad though, fairly original as far as this game goes even.

 

[thecatcameback]

The TF itself is a huge let down, especially compared to Keros. Maybe it's just because my character is a wyld elf with dove wings as her mark but literally the only thing that changed was my corruption icon. Wooo. The writing is okay, not great, not bad, just okay. Sunstrike is nice, especially as a at will. when I do get the lightsaber that with the gladius and sunstrike is going to be a ton of holy damage. I need to remember where I learned that holy strike(?) spell before cause that would make it even better. The quest with Lumia wasn't bad though, fairly original as far as this game goes even.

Smite Evil? You learn it from mirroring edge fox. You can also learn from Brother Sanders. The Paladin Formerly Known As Kas also gives you a Celestial Smite or you can also learn it from Sanders.

 

[Wrynn13]

Smite Evil? You learn it from mirroring edge fox. You can also learn from Brother Sanders. The Paladin Formerly Known As Kas also gives you a Celestial Smite or you can also learn it from Sanders.

So far the closest I can find is charge weapon but I don't remember it being a at will. It added holy damage to your attacks like charge weapon does though. It may have been smite evil.

 

[thecatcameback]

So far the closest I can find is charge weapon but I don't remember it being a at will. It added holy damage to your attacks like charge weapon does though. It may have been smite evil.

Celestial Smite is a rechargable that does holy/thunder damage and Smite Evil is an encounter spell that adds more holy onto the attack and heals you a tiny bit. Charge is at will/stance.

 

[ffive]

If you think a bit of sarcasm with one word capitalized is a drastic escalation, not sure what to tell you. Even disregarding that, why does emotion = bad?

I was actually referring mostly to this part

If people cry about it because they want to min-max while also wanting the character's content, that's their own problem.

"If people don't like reward options then it's their own problem" is quite a departure from "we should strive to please everyone", wouldn't you say?

But i suppose i should be pleased, because you're now basically saying the same thing i've said in the first place, and which you disputed. So, we're in agreement and can put this to rest.

 

[babado]

sad 95% or more of the content is exclusively lesbian
i want to get raped by dicks damn it

 

[Rocky Pineapple Rhythm]

They wrote themselves an excuse is saying it has to be direct descent, and the Noble Scion says you are the youngest child of nobility,

My brother in Christ that makes even less sense now Azzy is a literal bug, aint nobody getting kingslayer for knocking down a wasp nest, and Eve is in the exact same position as the PC scion. It's just another one of those rules for thee not for me situations.

Raises the question why even bother with a PC in the first place. Half the time its a walking/voyeurism simulator, add insult to injury tfs are useless, choices are meaningless, kids are just notches on ya belt, and no one on staff likes writing for the poor fucker anyway. Probably why this game feels so npc heavy, folk behind the scenes are more concerned with telling their story instead of decent cohesive version of "yours".

Besides most folks just here for the porn anyhow, Joe schmoe don't care for story or who's getting dicked down as long as someone getting dicked. Afterwards poor bastard probably won't even remember what they just busted a nut to. So why bother, it's easier to crank out scenes for ocs and npcs and everything in between compared to everyone's special snowflake. Next game fuck em, instead of all the vitriol, half-assing, and excuses just have em die off-screen before the game and you play as Brint or Brienne railing or getting railed in their honour. After that if it still takes 2years to update a questline then ya'll can call em lazy cunts as much as you want.

i want to get raped

You Keep Using That Word, I Do Not Think It Means What You Think It Means.

 

[MoneyMan181]

"If people don't like reward options then it's their own problem" is quite a departure from "we should strive to please everyone", wouldn't you say?

No? I said we should strive to please everyone, yes. That doesn't mean bend over backwards and be fine with people complaining about every little thing. It's utterly ridiculous to say my alternatives would cause more annoyance than what currently exists.

Are you going to bring up the fact that I also said Etheryn as a route would've made perfect sense and also fix this issue? No, and even if you did, you would have said people would be annoyed at having to choose between characters even though that is already a problem within the quest itself. Or any other number of excuses why it couldn't be done.

I did not say you're going to be able to please everybody. You should try to please more than just one niche if you're making a game as broad as this, though.

But i suppose i should be pleased, because you're now basically saying the same thing i've said in the first place, and which you disputed. So, we're in agreement and can put this to rest.

There is no winning with you. Especially if you're going to keep acting so smug all the time.

 

[Kroenen12]

I wonder whether the dragon princess gonna be a pure waifu material or just sex friend who likes to sleep around.

Nice to know, but then again, we have characters like Bri and Atugia who don't have marriage but are pure waifu material, and we have Kiyoko who has marriage option, but it's implied that she slept around quite a lot before meeting the champ.
("you get the impression that while the kitsune isn't a maiden or blushing virgin, neither does she appear old enough to be firmly ensconced within the role of mother. ")

Savin is writing her so I'm going to keep my expectations low, the guy tried to make his own brienne and ended up writing another cait

 

[ffive]

No? I said we should strive to please everyone, yes. That doesn't mean bend over backwards and be fine with people complaining about having more options.

OK, so we should strive to please everyone when they complain about having two options they don't like, but when they complain about not liking three offered options, that's where we draw the line because striving further would be bending over backwards. Got it.

It's utterly ridiculous to say my alternatives would cause more annoyance than what currently exists.

At the risk of going in circles, i've already pointed out how it'd be problematic. To which you'd only offer "well then that's people's problem" and SARCASTIC CAPS.

Forgive me if i don't think my point was quite as ridiculous as you're now trying to make it. At least, not with that sort of (lack of) counterpoint.

Are you going to bring up the fact that I also said Etheryn as a route would've made perfect sense and also fix this issue?

No, i'm not? I don't know what makes you think adding third NPC to choose from would be a fix here, but at least it doesn't have the problem your other suggestion had, so there was no need for me to say anything about it.

No, and even if you did, you would have said people would be annoyed at having to choose between characters even though that is already a problem within the quest itself. Or any other number of excuses why it couldn't be done.

See, and that's why propping up straw men isn't a good idea. Because when the other person says something different than what you said they would, you kind of wind up with an egg on your face.

 

[MoneyMan181]

OK, so we should strive to please everyone when they complain about having two options they don't like, but when they complain about not liking three offered options, that's where we draw the line because striving further would be bending over backwards. Got it.

So are we to offer infinite options to suit every need? That's not possible so the line has to be drawn somewhere. I'm not even saying it definitely has to be just those three options(especially since I offered another) but whatever.

At the risk of going in circles, i've already pointed out how it'd be problematic.

You could find any option to be problematic for any reason. That's why I say it's bending over backwards after a certain point. If you offer reasonable alternatives and the people who said alternatives aren't even catering to get upset at the option existing, that is their own problem. They already had their desires fulfilled. If they truly want it to be fulfilled even more, they can save edit.

, i'm not? I don't know what makes you think adding third NPC to choose from would be a fix here,

What exactly do you think I'm trying to fix in the first place? Genuine question.

 

[Biostar]

Didn't even know you can change shoes.

the guy tried to make his own brienne and ended up writing another cait

Who are you referring to?

 

[Kroenen12]

Didn't even know you can change shoes.

Who are you referring to?

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[Skandranon]

I...don't really get how Livrea is anything like Brienne or Cait.

 

[Walk Cycle]

I think it would be more fair to link this screen, the first interaction after the dragon cave. Which while yes you can "Just drink" doesn't lead you to believe that the sex will be nothing but being completely dommed in the three choices. Seeing as Arona and the Hellhound, other dom heavy characters, have you being able to "Top the Top" it's reasonable to think you might have something like that, or an opt out when you realize all the content is very much being the bottom. If anything reading the explanation you might be excused for thinking she's about to power vacuum you dry.

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I've read this sentence for like eight times wondering why Azzy suddenly became hostile to your character named "hornet". Before I realized you named your champ "Fuck you hornet"

 

[Biostar]

I...don't really get how Livrea is anything like Brienne or Cait.

I assume because she's a cowgirl set up as a waifu but she sleeps around with the local whores.

 

[thecatcameback]

The scorpion must sting.

 

[Sinistrem]

The cat must whore.