Kas is THE big villain spreading corruption and demons across the land. Causing problems or making them worse in centaur village, elf town, mino city.
I'm more confused why I'm supposed to like her.
kas: i care and love you and i'm doing this to be free
mc: but what about the lives you ruined?
kas: don't worry about them, their not you
[not a quote]
I mean... she has a point though. You've stumbled into a region that's far beyond saving even before she showed up. She's the only one upfront about her evil. "Yeah I corrupt and kill, I know that makes me bad. But you know what? Here's my reason bro. Don't like it then oh well." Everyone else hides behind excuses and religion. Like I said, there's literal childgrooming and probably classes. Take that as you will.
In a world where people justify them eating people's essence, childgrooming, slavery (sans pleasure), etc why is Kas so evil? Sure she introduces depravity, but you'd be too corrupt to know it's bad. All she's doing is making the suffering easier for those already suffering. "Oh you used to be a menial slave doing back breaking labor? Well guess what bro, now you will feel endless pleasure for eternity. Still a slave tho, my b." How can you ruin a slave's life by making it at least enjoyable?
Yeah, picking a tone and sticking with it is pretty important. I don't know if I'm supposed to take Cait worrying about her sister seriously if it doesn't seem she does outside a few select scenes. See above about the slavery thing. It's already actively happening like a lot.
They don't express the tact to make an adult game with erotic elements though, as they don't have a cohesive tone. They use the "just a porn game" to make up for that.
I don't think of it as Kas being THE villain but A villain. One of many that my pure character would purge and my corrupt character would subjugate. Though the catboy god of groomers is on the purge list for both...
This is the fairest response on Kas. People are arguing that she's the BBEG in a world where all I see are BBEGs. If you wanted to be "pure" then you would have a very, very long list of names to cross off before the world was purified. Picking on her because she's got horns and red skin is racism
Also, I prefer male Berwyn but fem-Berwyn got me actin up lmao
In any case, while I don't think DCL's art is bad, I don't know if I'd say Kiyoko is one of his best lol. I would much, much rather have a bust from Moira for her.
I mean... she has a point though. You've stumbled into a region that's far beyond saving even before she showed up. She's the only one upfront about her evil. "Yeah I corrupt and kill, I know that makes me bad. But you know what? Here's my reason bro. Don't like it then oh well." Everyone else hides behind excuses and religion. Like I said, there's literal childgrooming and probably classes. Take that as you will.
In a world where people justify them eating people's essence, childgrooming, slavery (sans pleasure), etc why is Kas so evil?
The real world has/had literally all those things at a similar level of technology....except worse.
Eating peoples essence isn't really a huge deal....they specifically don't kill people, and it seems to be more of a minor inconvenience than anything.
Slavery is everywhere is any society in this time period, I don't see how it makes this world particularly corrupt.
And the child grooming thing is...well, nothing. Again, if we're comparing this to the real world? We would have those kids doing the same thing, except we didn't really do the "wait until 18" part. Heck, most of the excesses in this game, besides the glut of sex which nobody hugely minds, us sanitized compared to IRL history.
Kas wants a world where alraunes, corrupted bees, demons and goblin succubi are roaming the land. Kas wants a world where she doesn't stop at taking your essence, she drains your whole soul. In her world, kids won't be "groomed", because I doubt all the demons and whatnot will care about a kids age at all before they get started.
Literally everything Kas has done is a worse version of stuff already going on. And that's not counting the breeding experiments, the cult (which she doesn't directly control but is certainly the cause of), what she did to the Winter City (they didn't dwell on this, but the entire government and royal family of WC is dead now), or the fact that she's doing experiments that are ripping open the fabric of reality and letting in extra dimensional soul stealing monsters, which if Lumia hadn't been around for would have probably completely ended the Frost Marches and probably the world right there....
Besides the loads of casual sex, the world says Kass is pretty much just normal feudal society plus magic. There's really no comparison, Kas us going to burn the whole thing down.
Do people actually like that Adjatha/DCL "see every single nook, cranny, curve, or bulge of their body through their clothing" thing? Like, all f!Berry has on is a robe, but it's clinging to her like it's a Spandex leotard that's three sizes too small.
In any case, while I don't think DCL's art is bad, I don't know if I'd say Kiyoko is one of his best lol. I would much, much rather have a bust from Moira for her.
Kiyokos busts are ok but considering her being one of the main characters in marketing besides kas, her big role (for her niche), her art seems a bit off. Moira pulled off the seductress look with miko and mai much, much better, especially with mikos makeup touchup. With her schtick as being a alpha wife she doesn't need "good enough" art, if Moira doesn't want to do variants I'd just get them to do a petite and a full milf. It's not terrible but it's like if they stuck with kasyrras Cheshire bust and put *that* on the banners instead. Dcls art isn't bad though, cheshires isn't horrible for that matter imo, but comparing miko and mai to kiyoko is just weird, especially with how everyone talks about kiyoko standing out, being beautiful, royalty etc, she's a party member and presumably one of the characters you could theoretically have a ending with, miko and mais eyes and faces are more magical looking. Like they're kitsune, the whole emperor controlling beauty myths while kiyokos an attractive fox person
Too bad Alypia doesn't know about this place though. I think she'd get a much nicer reception than the salt miners and she could use some views outside the shlong slobber fest of their forums.
Kas just took on excuse and used it to justify anything and everything she does for her own goals.
It just a simple, hollow, lazy, and/or writing shorthand/justification and with them pushing that idea as Kas's reason makes it look dumb if you look at their other actions to the point that MC should ask kas, do you think i'm dumb? You could just says i'm doing this cause i want too.
like Skandranonsays this not that out of the ordinary even more so for bronze-age "medieval fantasy " [yes, i know those are different times]
i say the biggest problem talked about here is that things are poorly explained or thought out.
foxes: they are either energy vampires or demon-like and are invaders, non-interactive player wise and world wise.
that's pretty all the reason push them out at the least, them being reading like a fan fic mod that was just inserted is just a bonus to running them out. you'd think the elves would want to run them out with the wayfort and city near by.
sex temple and sex god
Wait? you made a god that whose spheres of influence is mostly just sex and the religious group make brothel temples, while saying that some of the characters family are from there or worked there. And that they will be learning and raised from the temple
And in some with these facts the writer does insane mental gymnastics and say it isn't child grooming to be sluts or whores
With 2. that's like a master class on why you don't make your god just of sex and then say they raise the kids have while working there. Have those gods encompass more spheres of influence than mainly sex.
Well of course she's not interested the way they paint this place, of course she seemed just as close minded about dedicking Etheryn as Savin when the subject came up so maybe she can't handle criticism either.
Spiteful or not it is funny to watch both the autism that ensues when someone critics them as wel as the reactions here. Considering how much money furries have, anyone in the past 789 pages could have started making their own game with an initial investement for busts and with all the fetishes you like and probably turn a profit.
Kiyokos busts are ok but considering her being one of the main characters in marketing besides kas, her big role (for her niche), her art seems a bit off. Moira pulled off the seductress look with miko and mai much, much better, especially with mikos makeup touchup. With her schtick as being a alpha wife she doesn't need "good enough" art, if Moira doesn't want to do variants I'd just get them to do a petite and a full milf. It's not terrible but it's like if they stuck with kasyrras Cheshire bust and put *that* on the banners instead. Dcls art isn't bad though, cheshires isn't horrible for that matter imo, but comparing miko and mai to kiyoko is just weird, especially with how everyone talks about kiyoko standing out, being beautiful, royalty etc, she's a party member and presumably one of the characters you could theoretically have a ending with, miko and mais eyes and faces are more magical looking. Like they're kitsune, the whole emperor controlling beauty myths while kiyokos an attractive fox person
When I last checked, there is content for Male, Female and Herm Berwyn. But if they've changed thier mind since then, they serious can't tell what people want. I'm assuming they just havent had new art made for him in his regular form
Too bad Alypia doesn't know about this place though. I think she'd get a much nicer reception than the salt miners and she could use some views outside the shlong slobber fest of their forums.
Apparently, lots of people if you take this place into account. No accounting for taste, I guess...
But it's not all about that, it's a choice. You can end with regular Berry, futa Berry, or "Wynne" aka female Berwyn. And then there's a bunch of other stuff besides that.
The real world has/had literally all those things at a similar level of technology....except worse.
Eating peoples essence isn't really a huge deal....they specifically don't kill people, and it seems to be more of a minor inconvenience than anything.
The real world doesn't really apply, considering I was stating that her idea of a "perfect" world is like... hardly any different to what they already have. Just more pleasure than pain, honestly. The real world is a messed up place, we know. That doesn't make it good or acceptable.
And yeah sure, you're supposed to let the soulsuckers be because they promise they won't have too many kids to need to go to more drastic measures. Mind you, in CoC2 soul isn't you. Soul is battery, (pretty sure) Ki is you. They eat you, not the battery you run on. So really, worse than demons because you as an entity is being eaten. You just gonna let them chill out in good faith? Fuck no. Way too dangerous to be left alone.
Slavery is everywhere is any society in this time period, I don't see how it makes this world particularly corrupt.
And the child grooming thing is...well, nothing. Again, if we're comparing this to the real world? We would have those kids doing the same thing, except we didn't really do the "wait until 18" part. Heck, most of the excesses in this game, besides the glut of sex which nobody hugely minds, us sanitized compared to IRL history.
Guess I have to overtly say it. Do you really expect me to believe that those children aren't at all taught about the Sex God who wants them to do Sex Stuff? That these kids just chill at the Sex Temple doing Not Sex things? No way in hell. Also woopty doo, our world is messed up. Saying that it is like that here or was like that here does not make it not bad. Do you look at slavery or pedophilia and just think "Damn, it do be like that?" It's inherently wrong, and you know it. That's why in our world there's people actively opposing shit like that. In Savarra it's commonplace and accepted. Do not suggest that we just accept those things, people look at slavery and dislike it. People rebelled against it.
Kas wants a world where alraunes, corrupted bees, demons and goblin succubi are roaming the land. Kas wants a world where she doesn't stop at taking your essence, she drains your whole soul. In her world, kids won't be "groomed", because I doubt all the demons and whatnot will care about a kids age at all before they get started.
Like I said above your soul isn't you. It's basically a Duracell battery in their world. You lose your soul and you're the same just upon losing your soul:
"They strip out everything good and compassionate and empathetic in a person, leaving nothing but a hedonistic husk that's obsessed with its own selfish pleasure. Addiction, sexual self-gratification, and domination without compassion."
Which again does not sound too far off what is already happening. Easiest example is the entirety of the Undermountain... oh and half of your companions with the exception of Brint/Brienne (maybe), Kiyoko, Atugia, Ryn, and Azzyran.
Most demon types are typically adults in less than days, so there'd be no chance to groom. Also highly doubt a souled-up Kasyrra would be down to corrupt her children. Seems like it would be a really, really dumb, contrived reason to show that she's evil.
Literally everything Kas has done is a worse version of stuff already going on. And that's not counting the breeding experiments, the cult (which she doesn't directly control but is certainly the cause of), what she did to the Winter City (they didn't dwell on this, but the entire government and royal family of WC is dead now), or the fact that she's doing experiments that are ripping open the fabric of reality and letting in extra dimensional soul stealing monsters, which if Lumia hadn't been around for would have probably completely ended the Frost Marches and probably the world right there....
Besides the loads of casual sex, the world says Kass is pretty much just normal feudal society plus magic. There's really no comparison, Kas us going to burn the whole thing down.
You're ignoring the whole Wraith thing, this plane had no problem in burning itself down when they themselves opened up portals and created such a shit world to begin with. Also, if it wasn't her with the cult it'd be some other demon given that it's just a mirror of CoC1's Ignam Elders.
Differing opinion on worse, if I'm stuck a slave I'd like to at least enjoy it. And speaking of CoC1, you know what made the pure route worth it? Good people to stand beside. Whether the lost mouse village to avenge or Tel'Adre to protect, you had good people. Sure Tel'Adre also had a lot of casual sex, but that was because after decades of being hidden away they had to be more accepting. The people in Savarra are not good and pointing to our own dirty past and present do not make them better. In my eyes, it makes them worse. Not only do they have magic, but they have a writer to make them better and they're still bad people. Feudal societies didn't have magic to rely on, Savarrans do. What is their excuse for slavery?
